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    Fe+ (Fi-) // Si+ (Se-) ... strong (ego)

    Fi- (Fe+) // Se- (Si+) ... weak ............................ extroverted (?)
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    Se+ (Si-) // Fi+ (Fe-) ... strong (super-ego) ......... extroverted (?)

    Si- (Se+) // Fe- (Fi+) ... weak



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkCEGW6aknY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36BC6lwmWhM

    Is this girl IEI or ILE?
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    Si- (analysis) ... ABCD --> A, B, C, D

    Se+ (synthesis) ... '\' + '/' + '-' --> \/-


    Si+ (synthesis) ... A + B + C + D --> ABCD

    Se- (analysis) ... 'A' is on the left side of 'B', the distance between 'A' and 'D' is about one centimeter etc.

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    ILI's Se- (Si+) // Fi- (Fe+) and Fi+ (Fi-) // Se+ (Si-) could be extroverted.
    This is Roger Pearman's suggestion.


    INTJ: Ni Te Se Fe // Ne Ti Si Fi

    ENTJ: Te Ni Fi Si // Ti Ne Fe Se

    INFJ: Ni Fe Se Te // Ne Fi Si Ti

    ENFJ: Fe Ni Ti Si // Fi Ne Te Se
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    Si+ (synthesis) ... A + B + C + D --> ABCD

    Se- (analysis) ... 'A' is on the left side of 'B', the distance between 'A' and 'D' is about one centimeter etc.
    This could be incorrect, since Si+ does not perceive spatial relations. Si+/- is about temporal-sequential relations. So Se- analyzes 'A', then 'B', then 'C' etc.

    Se+ synthesizes structures/shapes: '\' + '/' + '-' --> \/- ... or A + B + C + D --> ABCD ... Here they are not perceived as patterns.

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    Is this the key difference between Si+ and Si- ?

    Si+ zooms out ... spoon --> cereal bowl --> breakfast table --> kitchen --> home --> ??? an intuitive step (synthesis)

    Si- zooms in ... home --> kitchen --> breakfast table --> cereal bowl --> spoon --> structures/shapes (analysis)

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    "In addition, users of type often forget that inferior or unconscious functions are inferior to consciousness not inferior in strength in the psyche (Jung, 1971 p.450)."

    I think the functions seem strong or weak. High or low mental energy is probably a more accurate description.

    PFC/working memory (logic and intuition) is about actual strength, though.

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    "Once a person is able to distinguish between the opposite functions and attitudes, the next requirement for good type development is that one of each pair become more conscious, accessible, practiced, and reliable than the other. This occurs when a person habitually devotes a larger amount of psychic energy to one of each pair of opposites, using it more, enjoying it more, becoming more and more confident and comfortable with it. This process of habitually favoring one of a pair of opposites over the other results in a psychological preference."

    I don't think "enjoying it more" is accurate. ILI enjoys Se- (Si+) but there is a lack of patience since it easily flips back to Si+ (Se-).

    ILI prefers Si+ over Si-, Fe+ over Fe- etc.

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    "To be clear, extroverts and introverts use both sides of their nervous systems at different times. But which side do we introverts generally prefer? You’ve probably already guessed: According to Dr. Laney, we prefer the parasympathetic side, which slows and calms us."

    ILI is an introvert so he or she leads with Si+ instead of Fi+.

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    There is a difference between "individual life activity" and "social life activity", so four preferred functions make sense.
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    Is this the key difference between Si+ and Si- ?

    Si+ zooms out ... spoon --> cereal bowl --> breakfast table --> kitchen --> home --> ??? an intuitive step (synthesis)
    I now think that PFC/Intuition must be used in all these steps: spoon + Intuition --> cereal bowl + Intuition --> breakfast table + Intuition etc.

    Why? Because we move from a known pattern to an unknown pattern. So 'spoon' must be kept in working memory at the same time as we recall a memory/pattern or read about something that includes a spoon.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baddel...pisodic_buffer

    "The episodic buffer allows individuals to use integrated units of information they already have to imagine new concepts."


    https://www.tutor2u.net/psychology/t...pisodic-buffer

    "The episodic buffer is one of the components of working memory model. It is a temporary store that integrates information from the other components and maintains a sense of time, so that events occur in a continuing sequence."


    https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Vi...tial_sketchpad

    "Visuospatial Sketchpad is a component of Working Memory Model proposed by Alan Baddeley and Graham Hitch in 1974. The visuospatial sketchpad (VS) is the section of one's normal mental facility which provides a virtual environment for physical simulation, calculation, visualization and optical memory recall."


    I think the episodic buffer corresponds to intuition and the visuospatial sketchpad corresponds to logic.





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    It is also possible that the episodic buffer corresponds to Ni/Si+ and the visuospatial sketchpad corresponds to Ne/Se+ (and logic/Ti). Ne sketches, Si perceives a useful pattern and Ti draws conclusions.

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    I am starting to doubt that ILI's supporting Si+ is weak, i.e. Se- (Si+), and question whether Se- ever leads. Also, ILI needs Fe+ as a "social life" function, so I am considering this model instead.


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    Si+ (Fe+) // Fe+ (Si+) ... strong (ego)

    Se- (Fi-) // Fi- (Se-) ....... weak ............................ extroverted (?)
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    Fi+ (Se+) // Se+ (Fi+) ... strong (super-ego) ......... extroverted (?)

    Fe- (Si-) // Si- (Fe-) ....... weak
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    Si and Se are based on the ventral and dorsal streams, but I am still considering large-scale brain networks (DMN, FPN...).
    SLE and LSI: DAN > FPN

    ILE and LII: FPN > DAN

    LSE and SLI: VAN > DMN

    LIE and ILI: DMN > VAN

    ???


    DAN = dorsal attention network

    VAN = ventral attention network
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baddel...pisodic_buffer

    "The episodic buffer allows individuals to use integrated units of information they already have to imagine new concepts."


    https://www.tutor2u.net/psychology/t...pisodic-buffer

    "The episodic buffer is one of the components of working memory model. It is a temporary store that integrates information from the other components and maintains a sense of time, so that events occur in a continuing sequence."


    https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Vi...tial_sketchpad

    "Visuospatial Sketchpad is a component of Working Memory Model proposed by Alan Baddeley and Graham Hitch in 1974. The visuospatial sketchpad (VS) is the section of one's normal mental facility which provides a virtual environment for physical simulation, calculation, visualization and optical memory recall."


    I think the episodic buffer corresponds to intuition and the visuospatial sketchpad corresponds to logic.
    It is also possible that the episodic buffer corresponds to Ni/Si+ and the visuospatial sketchpad corresponds to Ne/Se+ (and logic/Ti). Ne sketches, Si perceives a useful pattern and Ti draws conclusions.

    Si+ ... patterns and PFC/working memory

    This is about temporal-sequential connections. A pattern is kept in working memory and added to another pattern.



    Se+ ... shapes/structures and PFC/working memory

    This is about spatial connections. A shape (geon) is kept in working memory and added to another shape. The base (i.e. shape/structure) of a triangle is placed on (top of) one side of a rectangle.
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    Chess is probably the best example of Si+. Each move corresponds to a specific pattern, and several moves/patterns are strung together.

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    The combination of all pieces (and the board) is a pattern. A pawn/piece is also a pattern.

    A pawn is moved to another square: pattern 1 (the original positions of all pieces) --> pattern 2 (the pawn is kept in working memory) --> pattern 3 (the new positions of all pieces)

    This is not about spatial relations between the pawn and the other pieces. Why? Because we cannot perceive spatial relations and patterns at the same time. The pawn is "teleported" to a new position on the chessboard.

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    The squares are related to each other but they are independent of the outside world, so there are no left/right and up/down. The ventral stream is allocentric.
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    object 1 + object 2 + object 3 = pattern ... (an object is also a pattern) ... Both Si- and Si+ recognize and memorize this pattern.

    object 2 AND object 4 + object 5 + object 6 --> object 2 + object 4 + object 5 + object 6 = pattern ??? ... object 2 is kept in working memory and added to a new context.

    Si- recognizes and memorizes more useful patterns than Si+.

    Si+ recognizes and memorizes useful patterns and creates new patterns.

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    'America' is a useful pattern

    'track' is a useful pattern

    'Am' is kept in working memory and added to 'track', i.e. Amtrak ... This is a new useful pattern (Si+).

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    object 1 + object 2 + object 3 = pattern ... before move 1 (chess)

    object 2 is a pawn (for example)

    object 2 + object 4 + object 5 + object 6 = new pattern ... after move 1

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    Both Si- and Si+ recognize and memorize objects/patterns, but only Si+ contextualizes objects/patterns.

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    Si+ produces a sequence of patterns, so it is directly related to time.

    Both Si+ and Si- experience a sequence of patterns, so Si- is also related to time.
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    An object is a pattern, and a combination of objects is also a pattern.

    Se+ changes the shape/structure of an object (i.e. an interaction), and thereby creates a new pattern. Si- (and Si+) then discovers a potentially useful pattern.
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    These four processes are fed by either Se or Si, so there are eight processes in total.
    I am ignoring Fe and Fi (mirror neurons) here.


    LIE and ILI

    Si // Se with PFC ... strong

    Se // Si without PFC ... weak

    OR

    DMN // FPN with PFC ... strong

    DAN // VAN without PFC ... weak

    OR

    Si // Se with Intuition ... strong

    Se // Si without Intuition ... weak
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_flexibility

    Research has suggested that cognitive flexibility is related to other cognitive abilities, such as fluid intelligence, reading fluency, and reading comprehension. Fluid intelligence, described as the ability to solve problems in new situations, enables fluid reasoning ability. When one is able to reason fluidly, they are in turn more likely to be cognitively flexible. Furthermore, those who are able to be cognitively flexible have been shown to have the ability to switch between and/or simultaneously think about sounds and meanings, which increases their reading fluency and comprehension. Cognitive flexibility has also been shown to be related to one's ability to cope in particular situations. For example, when individuals are better able to shift their thinking from situation to situation they will focus less on stressors within these situations.

    The mechanisms underlying cognitive flexibility have been explored extensively using various methods. Human studies using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) have revealed a variety of distinct regions of the brain that work in concert from which flexibility could be predicted reliably, including the prefrontal cortex (PFC), basal ganglia, anterior cingulate cortex (ACC), and posterior parietal cortex (PPC).

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    Both intuition and logic use PFC/working memory.

    Intuition produces/creates new patterns.

    Logic is a comparison between two or more objects. How are they similar or different? (number, size, position, change etc.)

    Logic is directly related to IQ.

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    Cognitive flexibility is related to both intuition and logic.

    Cognitive flexibility is intelligence. (?)
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    LIE and ILI

    Si // Se with Intuition ... strong

    Se // Si without Intuition ... weak
    I am convinced that Si and Se support each other all the time.

    1) Si+ (Se-) // ... OR 2) Si+ (Fe+) // ... Se- (Fi-) // ...

    This would mean that intuition is turned on and off. Hmm... That doesn't seem right.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory#Working_memory

    The episodic buffer is dedicated to linking information across domains to form integrated units of visual, spatial, and verbal information and chronological ordering (e.g., the memory of a story or a movie scene). The episodic buffer is also assumed to have links to long-term memory and semantical meaning.

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    It is possible that Si+ does not work, so I must use Ni (and Ne) instead. Si perceives patterns, Se perceives spatial relations, Ni creates dynamic patterns and Ne creates static patterns.

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    "contextual patterns" or "causal patterns" is perhaps better than "dynamic patterns"

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    It is either 1) pattern vs. structure/shape, or 2) contextual/causal vs. "static".


    2) Ni/Si+

    frame 1: y..............x..............................

    frame 2: ......y.......x...............................

    frame 3: ...............yx..............................

    frame 4: ....................y...........x..............



    2) Ne/Se+

    frame 1: y z a b g

    frame 2: a..........

    frame 3: ..b........

    frame 4: ....g......

    frame 5: .......y...

    frame 6: ..........z

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    Se: shape, angle, direction, size, length, quantity, weight etc ... '/', '-', '\'

    Si: patterns ... 'A', 'ABC', 'artist' etc

    Ne/Se+: an object (or a geon) is kept in working memory and moved to another position ... 'ABC' --> 'ACB' ... both 'B' and 'C' are moved

    Ni/Si+: a pattern is linked to another pattern ... 'ABC' <--> 'ACB' ... the positions of 'B' and 'C' are tracked

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    Ni/Si+: chess ... a pattern before move 1 is linked to a pattern after move 7 ... there is a "chain reaction" and the positions of the pieces are tracked
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    Se vs. Si

    1) dorsal stream vs. ventral stream ... i.e. spatial relations/"guidance of actions" vs. patterns/identification of objects

    2) FPN vs. DMN ... and/or ... DAN vs. VAN

    3) dynamic vs. static ... or ... static vs. dynamic (Socionics)

    4) real/analogous vs. symbolic/sequential

    5) C4 vs. C3 ... i.e. gross motor skills vs. fine motor skills

    6) Fp2 vs. Fp1

    7) egocentric vs. allocentric

    8) spatial/"static" vs. contextual/causal ... this is probably the same thing as 1)
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    Ne/Se+: an object (or a geon) is kept in working memory and moved to another position ... 'ABC' --> 'ACB' ... both 'B' and 'C' are moved

    Ni/Si+: a pattern is linked to another pattern ... 'ABC' <--> 'ACB' ... the positions of 'B' and 'C' are tracked

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    Ni/Si+: chess ... a pattern before move 1 is linked to a pattern after move 7 ... there is a "chain reaction" and the positions of the pieces are tracked
    Ni visualizes a causal interaction between two or more objects. This is a dynamic situation.

    Ne visualizes a static situation. Rubik's Cube is a good example of Ne.

    Both Ne and Ni use working memory and (often) track many objects and many positions.
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    Si interprets the meaning of visual stimuli and establishes object/pattern recognition. It forms new memories and recall memories.

    8) spatial/"static" vs. contextual/causal ... this is probably the same thing as 1)

    "Cause-and-effect relationships define categories of objects. Wings are a feature of the category 'birds'; this feature is causally interconnected with another feature of the category, the ability to fly."

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