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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousguy View Post
    You said super-id functions are not observed in a type, and yet it seems "verbal" (ego and super-id) is conscious?
    There is a difference between what you want to talk about and what you actually talk about.

    Ego: you want to talk about these things, and you do

    Super-Ego: you don't want to talk..., but you do

    Super-Id: you want to talk..., but you don't

    Id: you don't want to talk..., and you don't

    Can you write down which functions of an IEI are conscious and unconscious? (in a similar fashion I have written down 1D-4D functions)
    IEI: Ni-, Fe+, Si-, Te+ and Ne+, Ti-, Se+, Fi- ... these are conscious or mental functions.

    I personally find 1D Se- conscious in me (or more verbalized) than 2D Se+, like I would openly order / push someone, raise my voice, shout,
    This is about Te and/or Fi-.

    If you find a conscious 1D Se-, then you should also be able to find a 3D conscious Ne-. Do you?

    give physical threats,
    How? When? To whom?

    able to know who is stronger / powerful
    In what sense?

    , etc. but I clearly don't verbalize information on clothes or physical qualities at all.
    Do you see more "SLE" than "SEE" in IEI?

    How is Se+ in the ILE according to you?

    Then what's the difference between LII's Ti- 4D models and IEI's Ti- 3D models?
    First of all, there is a difference between an accepting function and a producing function.

    Here's one way of looking at it:

    Issue 1/2015 of the 'Socionics, Mentology and Personality Psychology' journal

    http://socioinfo.ru /article/48-obrabotka-informatsii

    This article connects Bukalov's concept of dimensionality with J. Feldman's levels of intelligence. 1D, 2D, 3D and 4D correspond to levels 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 and 7-8.

    1: one object
    2: many objects
    3: one process
    4: many processes
    5: one map
    6: many maps
    7: one system
    8: many systems


    As an IEI, I clearly see the lack of creativity / situation in Ni of ESI/LSI as they are confident in their predictions and apply the same norms everywhere.
    Are you comparing with ESI's/LSI's FeNi or TeNi? If someone has a weak FeNi, then he or she is not aware of social dynamics (backstabbing etc). That is not the case with ESI.
    Last edited by Petter; 07-23-2016 at 06:31 AM.

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