Quote Originally Posted by Petter View Post
Weighing/speculating pros and cons when you are going to buy a product. "Do I a really need it? Will it be useful? What's the quality of the product..."

A programmer gives instructions

Thinking about a scenario at work, and then deciding what aspects are favorable
But, I think most agree that IEIs lack the decisiveness in such matters, for example, they may spend too much money on something useless on the fly.

What do you mean by "force from the outside"?
We both agree that we can use vital function consciously for a moment, what I meant is that we can't use it for a long time unless there is an absolute reason for it, kind of requiring the external stimulus (i.e., certain activities require one to use certain functions). In the case of Ni+Te- example, I don't think such aspects would be enjoyable for an IEI unless they MUST do these things, then they may be able to restrain for a longer time without resorting to the approach of Ni-, Ti- or other mental functions.

I am not sure... this is speculation... but i think IEI uses some aspects of Fe+ unconsciously while being focused on Ni-.
Yes, for example, if they focus too much on Ni-, then they may start losing the sense of emotional atmosphere and Fe+ goes into subconscious.

No, LII has 1D Se+ and 4D Se-.
I don't think Se- is about pushing people. A type with 3D/4D Se- uses appropriate defensive methods in the physical world. LII's Se- looks like LSE's Se-.
You are contradicting yourself, you said earlier that Se- is used in pushing people. How 4D Se- looks in LII?

yes... in most cases.
In most cases? Are there exceptions?

You are constantly using many different functions, so it is not always that easy to discern a particular function. But you giving them some books and saying "read this", that would be Te+.
No, if I actually sense naturally that reading certain books will help them achieve something (perhaps those books have helped me in the past), and I tell them categorically, then I think that would be Ni+Te- (and the categories would be created through either Ti- or Ti+).

This is contradictory.
How? You added signs to your Model, but still using a Model A as the basis.

You must also distinguish between main functions and secondary functions. You are a very introverted subtype, right?
Not really, but not fully ambiverted either. I think my weak functions are stronger, particularly Ti- (fair understanding on how concrete objects work, able to isolate the parts from something and fix it), Fe- (negative emotions, vulgar vocabulary, swearing...), Te+ (able to order, work and manipulate objects somewhat), Se- (able to understand who can benefit me or what people want from me) and Se+ (a bit pushy, understanding of certain aggressive tactics). Ni- and Fi+ is in the background (not verbalized) most of the time. Ne+ is verbalized a lot though (especially in close distance when I am feeling comfortable). Ti+ is good enough, Fe+ is not good (though tell me which function is used in the "acting"? I think I am good at acting or playing a role for a while, but not empathizing with people, feeling the emotions of other people and understanding social navigation). I would be something like IEI-8,5. Do you find any correlation between your subtype system to DCNH? (and Big Five traits, for example, I am incredibly neurotic and feel that I use weak functions all the time)

Ne is about humor. IEI and ILE get along very well for a reason. They share the same sense of humor. You usually don't see "ENFp-ness" in the IEI. For example, Craig Ferguson's humor probably doesn't attract you.
I do love Ne humor, but I don't understand the distinction between ENTp's humor and ENFp's humor. For example, I really love Bill Maher's humor (see this video). Is he ENTp or ENFp?

Facial expressions is related to Fe-.
For this reason, LII's and LII's Fe- would be 2D? (because they seem to have better facial expressions)

I disagree strongly with this. It is simply not true that IEI's OWN usage of Fi (in Model A) or Fi+ (in Model D) causes negative effects on our psyche. It is other people's excessive usage (from your point of view) that causes irritation. Especially when aspects of (your) Super-Ego functions are expressed verbally.
I see what you mean here (will come back later on it).