@Starfall no way is LSE doing all those emotive faces Is this guy a sociopath? Cause he totally looks like one.
@Starfall no way is LSE doing all those emotive faces Is this guy a sociopath? Cause he totally looks like one.
i agree with @Starfall 's typing ..
LSE sx/sp
Hmmm, many LSE's I've known are emotive in a way that they are very smiley and laugh a lot (ESE seeming), and in those cases I agree their Fe at first glance does come off as stronger than Fe-creatives and even EIE-Ni's (because it's more of the cheesy American variety ), but I've never seen expressions like these from them:
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I think Onision is ENFx, but although I understand the typing, something is bothering me about IEE. Probabably that I can't detect Fi in his facial expressions or persona. Even when he's goofing around his expressions are calculated and collected - too much for Fi creatives imo. I get more of a naturally quirky relaxed feeling from IEE's, not exactly this:
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Plus, on a completely superficial level, his smile reminds me so much of my EIE friend (who is otherwise nothing like this douche : ). Idk, it's just such a Fe smile.
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IEE smile in comparison:
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sx/so being "peace and love" comes from the creator of syn/contraflow theory
i agree with @Ghost on that one. sx/so's usually have this "let's save the world" overt idealism.
I always thought IEE before but I'm convinced of LSE now. Nothing reminds me of IEE beyond a tiny bit of the surface. Plus, LSEs can be very expressive. He'd make a great dual for Maritsa. jk. but he's a real fucking asshole and I wouldn't let my kid anywhere near him if I were Lainey.
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
He seem very much like an LSI 7w6 Sx/Sp to me. The way he analysis issues, he create categorizes or principals based off his shallow immediate intuitive Impressions. His humor is obviously inferior Fe devaluing, putting on a emotional mask to get a rise out of his viewer emotional sensitivities as well as his need to challenge social conventions and society.
MBTI: INTJ
Socionics:ILI (Ni-Fi)
Enneagram Type: 5w4
Enneagram Tritype: Head-5, Gut-9 Heart-4
Instinctal Stacking: Sp/Sx Mid
Jung's 12 Archetypes: Self-Sage, Ego-Hero, Soul-Rebel
http://enneasite.com/
I have his stack cards at home, where it says something like that, "peace and love" or "save the world", i'll look at it tmrw
Also, this btw for the contra/synflow:
The usual disclaimers apply…
a) A given person’s Enneagram type will modify and integrate with these expressions — potentially altering these themes significantly — as will your personal history and current psychological state
b) The descriptions of the characteristics of these flows won’t translate into simple literalizations of behaviors; the discussion of these opposite directions is to get at a quality of the substrate abstract ‘material’ from which these flows and their respective stackings are formed
HOW can people put themselves out like this? So much drama
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
He looks like Tom Cruise and Jake Gyllenhaal.
NOPE he's not LSE look at him
I say he's SLI and Laney maybe LII
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This is an LSE for the reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFEp8pd15-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njmXQ_FgrW8
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
oinion
literally what the fuck
・゚*✧ 𝓘 𝓌𝒾𝓁𝓁 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶𝒸𝒸𝑒𝓅𝓉 𝒶 𝓁𝒾𝒻𝑒 𝓘 𝒹𝑜 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒹𝑒𝓈𝑒𝓇𝓋𝑒 ✧*:・゚
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Whats up with all hate and calling him Sociopath ? I watched the video he was crying about breaking up with his GF . He seems like an emotional guy, ESE is my bet.
You quoted very few parts of the LSE profile. And only vague general phrasings, like, having a temper in arguments, then being a fun and friendly guy who works hard on what he wants to work on and who tries to be manly enough while wanting a purpose to his life and finds some of the laws important. This literally does not fit LSE any more than *any* other type.
So this is the Forer effect at play here, with those generalizations.
I do find it interesting what you said about the IEE profile being more "vague" when trying to apply it to him. I did wonder before if that's an indicator of anything when I notice the same thing about trying to apply a profile to someone. But this for me only happens if I also keep the IE definitions in mind to give the right context to the type description. Also, that phenomenon I mention applies to the entire profile not just to a few lines taken here and there from it. If taking everything into account from LSE profiles, keeping the IE definitions in mind, then isn't that too vague again for him?
Anyway. If all you were trying to demonstrate is extraversion, sure... but I think we already knew he's an extravert. But none of your quotes is what makes LSE specifically LSE. Maritsa summed up LSE well already. I think Onision would be a very atypical LSE if one at all.
The one other thing you pointed out is that he's possibly a Rational type and/or Ni/Se valuing due to finding some plans very important. But I don't know about that either. Too ambiguous from this little data I read here.
You (or anyone else here) don't know his internal motivations so you can't use this as proof for LSE typing. Assuming a different internal motivation (again without proof) would result in a different type combining it with these facts.Watch the videos that he impulsively posts about his personal relationships. He's incredibly direct, and always seeks to tell the truth or "facts" as he likes to call them, to the point of where it gets him into trouble and damages his public image and his relationships with people. Just watch his "I betrayed my wife" video for starters.
So for example, you (or any one else here) don't know how much of that was intentional from his part. You don't know what part of information processing was the weakest link in the chain leading to bad results if it was unintended results.
Quite honestly, I would never try to type him off his videos beyond trying to VI a little. Not much for getting a definite typing.
Cool... is this some enneagram issue? Or some other psychological issue? Because none of this points to sociotype as put here. So for example, how exactly is he presenting facts wanting to be right, how exactly does it backfire and so on. The way it's put here is too general for an analysis of sociotype. If I tried to seriously type him, I'd be interested in the rationalization, that could reveal some of his way of thinking specifically.After a bad public break up (where he was getting tons of hate) he posted a rare apology video and admitted that he always seeks to be truthful and present the "facts" and always needs to be right, and sometimes this ends up backfiring and hurting the ones he loves. He even went as far as to say that it's something he needs to work on. He said that he was "not aware" that some of the things he did in order to win an argument would be so "hurtful" to his ex, and went on to rationalize why he did it.
OK. This is a bit more specific. Logical type? Fi PoLR? The last bit especially seems Fi PoLR-ish to me.
Ooh some one-dimensional IE here. It's not fleshed out which one though. But if we assume it's about the Ethical issues (because it does sound more like that), then ILE? I did wonder about ILE for him before and posted about it in this thread."For the longest time I thought the most important thing was who's right, and who's wrong. Who has the facts on their side, and who doesn't, and when things end, that's all I care about, just that one thing... and the problem is that we are human beings, and I'm treating us like we're robots. Robots communicate in binary, so it's either "yes" or "no", "right" and "wrong". I've had this problem for my entire life, for as long as I can remember, where I've had girlfriends who I used to date tell me "the world isn't black and white", and I would just keep saying the same stuff I've always been saying. I've been very self riotous, I've been very egotistical, despite claiming that I have no ego. I've been a massive dick. And while I've been trying to grab on to the concept of honesty as much as I can, that's not an excuse for the things I've done."
He could possibly be a very unhealthy IEE with a weak conscience. He seems kind of shameless to put himself and all his foibles for the world to see in exchange for YouTube money. So he obviously values money over his mental health instead of taking a break and trying to improve himself. I can't see LSE for him personally, it's not like MBTI tests are the most reliable thing in the world most of the time. I can see EIE as an alternative possibility though.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Yeah, that is an LSE quality for sure. I wouldn't completely rule out LSE, it's certainly possible, but he doesn't fit into the typical LSE mold though, which makes LSE less likely, but still possible of course. I'd choose EIE over LSE because of his work ethic and possibly weak if I had to pick an alternative for IEE. He's hard to type and it seems like many in this thread have typed him all over the place because you mostly have his YouTube persona in conjunction with his misdeeds to go by rather than see his true self IMO.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Agreed on the Fi creative eyes thing.
What did you have against Fi PoLR for him?
It's not specific to LSE. 4D Te / ExTX, including your duals, will easily have that focus on work. It's stereotypically a Logic ego issue.I've actually read that this is a common LSE issue, rather them valuing their work over their mental health. Aparently their duals are supposed to help them with this.
My options for Onision:
ILE/SLE/LIE/EIE.
I doubt EIE, a bit too cold for that but it's a better option than IEE.
SLE I also doubt because he doesn't seem Se enough so far. A bit too Ep-ish for LIE or EIE but it would explain the plan vs friend issue thingy.
No, I don't follow him lol. You sure you aren't liking the Ti creative or why are you following him?
The whole profile... which profile did you use again? Did it have the bits on how Te base with Fi suggestive works?
I was just commenting on her summary on LSEs. She seems to understand some things in the theory well. But sure, she does tend to get stuck on too few details assuming a type from that, so in practice she often ends up at strange conclusions, true.Maritsa typed him LSE, until I posted "Maritsa and I agree with something for once", then she immediately edited her post and changed her typing of him to SLE I think she had originally assumed that I was typing him something different.
Also, I quoted a video of him doing exactly what Maritsa "summed up" lol
Besides, Maritsa isn't the best person to look for what examples of what LSE's are. She has a trend of typing ethical extroverts as LSE. She typed Bled LSE for goodness sake... All of the people she dates are "LSE". Even in this thread she typed Ashton Kutcher who I believe is ENFx, LSE.
What in the quotes looks like Fi valuing to you? Receptivity to Fi information, where?ILE works better than IEE for sure, but I think he values Fi, rather than it being his PoLR. LSE have weak Fi too, even though they're always trying to be moral and self-righteous.
Is he anything like @Director Abbie with being moral/self-righteous? I don't see any similarity in terms of that.
Still curious what you have against Fi PoLR for him.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Oh yeah I remember Words and Absurd lol. I wouldn't see Absurd as similar to Onision, much different humour etc. but possible shared narcissism maybe. Same for Words in terms of the latter.
A tidbit: I heard Absurd typed himself as IEE if the person was not lying or Absurd was not lying to that person. Words never decided on a final type.
So, all in all, are we talking about narcissism or unhealthy LSEs?
Yeah I wasn't sure what to think of that IEE claim.
LSE or just MBTI ESTJ? Not the same thing though there is definitely a correlation.Probably a mixture of both, imo.
I know Words, Absurd and Onision all self typed as LSE at one point, and all of them are unhealthy and difficult to get along with.
Anyway, yeah there is some similarity on that level, I can't say more.
We can be sure about his enneagram, it's either 3w4 or 4w3.
"Because I'm marked I can't succeed"