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    Pussy - Alpha SF IMO
    Tony - ESTp?

    These are the only two I'm thinking of right now. Any other guesses?
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    Tony: estj.

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    I thought ESTp for Tony too, Daniel identifies with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyburger
    I thought ESTp for Tony too, Daniel identifies with him.
    Every man identifies with Tony Soprano. It's like a law of nature.

    IMO, Tony is ESTp and his shrink is an INFp. Just my guess.

    The actor who plays Richard is ISTj, but I think the character is a good example of an ISTp. Tony's sister is ENFp, so there's another example of duality.

    Tony's wife is, IMO, ESFj.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    I don't think in reality ISTJs are drawn to acting/Hollywood positions.

    Tony could be ESTP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I don't think in reality ISTJs are drawn to acting/Hollywood positions.
    I would agree, but I insist on consistency in my typing, and his appearence as well as his acting style remind me of Anthony Hopkins whom I believe to be ISTj.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    I see him more as ENTP. But I also see George Carlin as ENTP who you also think is ISTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague
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    Indeed I do
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Hey does anyone have an idea as to what types the characters in the Sopranos are? Specifically Meadow Soprano?
    ISTj.

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    It's always hard to type spoiled famous people. Based on VI alone, she looks like an ISFj.
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    Tony - SLE
    Chris - SLE
    Junior - LSI
    Dr Melfi - ILI
    Father Phil - ILE
    Adriana - EIE

    I'm interested in Carmella's type. I feel like I should know, but I don't. Also Livia.

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    Carmella is some Se/Ni rational, maybe ESI?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Carmella is some Se/Ni rational, maybe ESI?
    I did think about that actually. If she was it would make me think Tony was SEE rather than SLE, because I think their relationship is too good for supervision.

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    If she was it would make me think Tony was SEE
    For what it's worth, it has always been my impression that he is that type. He takes things too seriously to be ESTp, isn't just in it for "the hell of it". He's also quite social and polite to the people around him and actually gets mad at them for ethical reasons (betrayal, people messing up when they promised not to, shrink insinuating he hates his mother, etc).

    This looks like Fi rage kill to me. Nothing to do with logic:

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    Just got the box set for xmas. Best show of all time. And SLE for Tony never made sense.

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    It would be fun to have anal sex with Dr. Melfi.

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    Tony Soprano - ESTj

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    I think LSE for tony too.
    I hope Melfi isn't IEI.

    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    It would be fun to have anal sex with Dr. Melfi.
    Fun? She seems like she'd just lay there.

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    Bump.

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    Tony - LSE


    more typings later...
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    carm - EII
    meadow - SEI-Fe 3w2 so/sx
    aj - SEE-Fi 6w7 so/sx
    christopher - IEI-Fe
    adriana - SLE-Se
    sil - LSI-Ti
    paulie - ESE-Fe
    pussy - ESE-Fe (bitch)
    dr. melfi - LII-Ne
    junior - ILI-Te
    janice - EIE-Fe
    bobby - IEE-Fi
    vito - probably SEE
    artie - EIE-Fe
    johnny sack - SLI-Te
    phil - ??? gamma NT
    ralph - SEE-Se
    father phil - ILE-Ti
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    A few disagreements:

    Meadow: ESE or SEI-Fe
    AJ - SxI
    Christopher - SLE
    Bobby - SEI

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    Omar Little: EIE
    Freamon: ILI
    Bubs: SEI

    ...wait, i thought we were talking about the greatest show in the history of TV. The Wire.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    lol

    christopher could be SLE... he just always seemed too.. pathetic, or something.

    bobby as SEI is plausible as well

    lol @ omar
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    Tony Soprano : ESTp How does it not make sense? The guy isn't LSE, he constantly compromises and maneuvers in situations. The volitional pressure is beyond obvious and force is his favorite tool to get anyone to do anything whether yelling at his kids or beating a problem client. I Could see an argument for ESFp but not ESTj. Doesn't seem Delta in the slightest. I could be misunderstanding quadra values but this guy screams Beta or Gamma to me. Se in beyond overdrive. Shrink gives him the Ni he seeks.

    Carmella: XSFj leaning towards ISFj. Gamma Values > Alpha. Negative unhealthy ISFj that is, dry, hypocritical, cold cunt. Whenever she is being expressive it seems like complete bullshit for her image. She is constantly hitting Tony on his Fi-Polr hence the friction and tension in their relationship at almost all times.

    Chrissy: INFp (always bitching he doesn't get the respect he deserves, he doesn't get it because of his weak Te and Se. Actually.. I don't know..honestly lol

    Adriana: ESFp pretty simple. ESFj makes sense too.. Probably more than ESFp, but she seems like duals with Chris and he is far from an INTj.

    Silvio: ISTj. Happy being #2 and behind the scenes. Uses his strict rigidity to help balance Tony's force.

    Paulie: uhhhh.. ISFp? Selfish dick, childish. Loves women and stupid tv shows to a fault. Acts like a little kid on the trip in Italy. Seems prissy about clothes, hair care etc. Very irrational, takes what he wants how he wants regardless of any logical or moral code. Paulie see + Paulie want = Paulie take. Some sort of Alpha SF imo.

    Bobby: IEE? Nice guy. Intuitive and hopeful about people, bad control of weight and eating. Giving that evil witch Janice a chance. Not much Se, gets pushed around a lot by other guys in the gang. Not naturally a caregiver as we see when he tries to take care of June. More so tries to keep him positive and feel supported. Rather than helping with practical needs in the house. He tries but is not good at it.

    Janice: Hm... ENFj? ENFp? Dunno. Dumb sick twisted manipulative cunt like the mom.. Willing to bet they are both extremely unhealthy ENFjs.

    Livia: Lives to torment people emotionally. Loves nothing more than ruining her son's mood or putting strangers around her in foul moods so she can feel superior. Sounds like some sick depraved ENFj.

    Meadow: ISFj - healthier, smarter, nicer, better looking version of the cunt mom. No wonder Carmella treats her so shitty while praising her golden boy AJ.

    AJ: Tony if he was a pussy and stupid. Se lead or si.. Maybe even Ne. Kid is useless as fuck has nothing to offer to anyone including himself. Maybe Te polr? No Ni I can see. ISFp with weak sensing could work. Just mucks around in his feelings all day long. Though this can be XEE- Fi sub too. No rationality anywhere near this being.

    Phil: ESTj. Totally. Such a traditional old school uncompromising prick. Pragmatic to a fault. Very tense at all times. Different type of tension than Tony's. Seems very J-ish his tension. Tony's seems more of a P tension.

    Richie: As everyone said ISTp.

    Ralphie: ESFp. easy

    Johnny Sac: Hmmm Intp? Fe-polr seems to fit the bill. Doesn't seem to have any love or use of Ti either.

    I know I'm forgetting a lot but that's off memory. pretty good show.

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    Bump, no one else watches this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    carm - EII
    meadow - SEI-Fe 3w2 so/sx
    aj - SEE-Fi 6w7 so/sx
    christopher - IEI-Fe
    adriana - SLE-Se
    sil - LSI-Ti
    paulie - ESE-Fe
    pussy - ESE-Fe (bitch)
    dr. melfi - LII-Ne
    junior - ILI-Te
    janice - EIE-Fe
    bobby - IEE-Fi
    vito - probably SEE
    artie - EIE-Fe
    johnny sack - SLI-Te
    phil - ??? gamma NT
    ralph - SEE-Se
    father phil - ILE-Ti
    Actually these are very good. I think Phil may be Delta ST instead and Jonny Sack could POSSIBLY be ILI but SLI can work. I do disagree with Tony as LSE though, he seems pretty SE to me, but that's just my opinion. What is your reasoning for him being LSE? Perhaps I'm wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    Actually these are very good. I think Phil may be Delta ST instead and Jonny Sack could POSSIBLY be ILI but SLI can work. I do disagree with Tony as LSE though, he seems pretty SE to me, but that's just my opinion. What is your reasoning for him being LSE? Perhaps I'm wrong here.
    Yeah, I'm still ambiguous on where Phil and Johnny Sack fit on the Te axis.

    Tony I typed as LSE for a few reasons. He had a kind of natural dominance about him that could seem stereotypically Se, but it was imposed to too high a degree and based more on how he wanted to make things work than just his natural position. And I realize he's the head of a family, but in this sense I couldn't see an SLE being as controlling and just getting carried away with things to the extent he did, disordered or not. I would expect an SLE in his position to simply hold things down, occasionally put people in their place, and just generally be a leader who doesn't have to try as hard to maintain things. It's a misconception that Se-dominance implies a preference for "force"; the whole point of Se in this context is that the boundaries it establishes are standalone and seen from an irrational point of view; this has nothing to do with power in the strict sense. Whereas Se-demonstrative types very much do impose these boundaries on their environment, because they're dealing with them from a devalued and EJ perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    Bump, no one else watches this?
    Yeah, but it ended in 2007. It was so long ago and I wasn't even aware of socionics then. But Tony seemed LSE in retrospect from memory.

    edit: But maybe SLE is a better fit. I don't know.
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