Following is the way in which LSE are difficult by being blunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neeh...NtD6aEWBTpJUPT
No real and meaningful nice compliments
LSEs/ESTjs being difficult by being blunt
Following is the way in which LSE are difficult by being blunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neeh...NtD6aEWBTpJUPT
No real and meaningful nice compliments
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I wonder if Maritsa understands what an abusive person or relationship is like, or that trying to rationalize it a personality theory is a huge problem.
Whatever type this guy is, he's not "being difficult" or blunt, he's being an asshole and apparently a lot of people like to listen to him trash talk all the time.
If this his how all his shows are (which the 3 clips I listened to briefly appeared as such), I'm not sure he's delta, but I would hope anyone reading this does not come to expect that from a LSE or ever see this kind of behavior as normal or acceptable for someone of a particular type.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Don't talk to me in the third personOriginally Posted by UDP
And you are not LSE so you would not know
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think you're both right, @Maritsa and @UDP
I agree he's LSE, based on this and having previously watched his shows and interviews. He is being a jerk in the clip linked above, and probably often irl. He's aware of it, but is sort of like a spoiled kid acting out. He knows exactly what he's doing, and I agree may actually be abusive.
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
I watched a couple of these yesterday and my only impression is that they are both playing to the target audience (which isn't me) and exaggerating everything. She is probably the "boss" at home. Not sure why I think that other than a hunch. I have had similar conversations with guys where we are both going on about the other gender and it is meant playfully and neither of us believe it. I did catch a glimpse of one titled ugly women or something similar that I didn't bother to look at because it seemed like it would just be stupid.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
So you think this is more an act for the audience, @Aylen? I could see that. He definitely knows what he's doing, imo, whether she's in on it or not. I can't tell if he's being a jerk for the sake of the show or his own amusement (and make-up sex?). Seems like what he's saying might have actually hurt her feelings, but I don't know... we do live in an era of fighting for views, shares, etc.
I know an LSE woman who will make her EII husband mad kind of on purpose (I say "kind of" bc sometimes I wonder if it was actually accidental at first and she just went too far) and they will have a little tiff before eventually making up. They don't fight, exactly, but mostly bc the EII doesn't react w fire; he just tells her off in a quiet way and then gives her the cold shoulder until it passes. He does seem to run things in their relationship, at least in terms of Fi. Like, the LSE will get herself into the doghouse and then kind of enjoys having to earn her way back into the EII's good graces after she's pissed him off. (I realize it might sound like a Beta romance the way I'm describing it, but they're definitely LSE and EII. They're also pretty low-key even in the midst of these tiffs...and it's like neither one takes it too seriously).
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
LSE love getting a reaction, playing little games to win. Look at @Sol here. He doesn't it you me all the time for kicks and giggles but he knows I'll forgive him which makes him want to do it more
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I don't think his wife has any problem with the way he expresses himself from what I heard. Her laugh seems genuine. I have seen both IEI-SLE and EII-LSE banter in this way but it was among friends. Sometimes the EII was hurt when he went too far. I don't take these kinds of interactions seriously with an SLE or even an ILI because I can give it right back. I did have some conflict with an SLI because I was not always sure when he was teasing me or trying to hurt me so I would get more defensive with one particular SLI until he would say something that made me feel a bit better. I do believe it is part of their "act".
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
It is hard to tell with sol sometimes because I believe him when he says he does not see you as his dual. That tends to annoy me when he dismisses you by saying you are not EII and I kind of wish you would respond with a bit more fire. <3LSE love getting a reaction, playing little games to win
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
This kind of thing reminds me of Rick's old (classic) post about each person's roles in a dual relationship. One of the F type's roles was smoothing over misunderstandings. I think we can see w LSE-EII and SLI-IEE how that also means putting limits on the T type's rude or potentially hurtful behavior, and/or engaging in the game to an extent. When I read the description I assumed it meant the F type was kind of sweet and understanding all the time, but my irl experience and what I hear from others suggests the F type is often more strong and willing to fight than the descriptions say...at least, it's one thing I don't recall reading much about in descriptions, but people seem to post about a fair amount.
Maybe this is how it is in all quadras, of course.
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
I don't respond with fire. I'm not like that. I've told him when he's nearing crossing the line with me.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Because Nia is SEE she gives the wrong reaction calling him an asshole and storming out. I would react with walking away and giving the cold shoulder until he notices that I'm upset and comes to me to say "I was only joking babe"
In my sensitive and quiet ways LSE develope sensitive qualities too and will calm their nonsensical saying. The SEE is a light hearted happy go have fun type who laugh a lot so they react differently
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I agree. My husband does this too, but I can see how other people, like @Aylen, aren't always sure it's a joke. I have one friend, for example, who sometimes takes his joking seriously and has gotten her feelings hurt. It's partly Fe PoLR -- he doesn't emote enough for it to be clear he's joking unless you are in on it enough to know.LSE love getting a reaction, playing little games to win
You are loving Bill Burr lately, huh @Maritsa. You're making me want to watch one of his specials again
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
Fire was probably the wrong word. I guess I mean like the way you respond more assertively when you interact with other EII, sometimes. You do not respond as assertively with sol that you do with others.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Yes I am. I wish he would toner down the cursing though.I agree. My husband does this too, but I can see how other people, like @Aylen, aren't always sure it's a joke. I have one friend, for example, who sometimes takes his joking seriously and has gotten her feelings hurt. It's partly Fe PoLR -- he doesn't emote enough for it to be clear he's joking unless you are in on it enough to know.
You are loving Bill Burr lately, huh @Maritsa. You're making me want to watch one of his specials again
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Really I thought I did by saying he won't talk to me But every time I tell someone they won't I end up talking to them
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I learned to tone it down around Fe polr because my stepdad and ex were both ILI (both dead now). I suppose there is an argument to be made that it is a super-ego or conflict thing between me and some people but I don't like to let socionics limit my choices on how to interact with others.I agree. My husband does this too, but I can see how other people, like @Aylen, aren't always sure it's a joke. I have one friend, for example, who sometimes takes his joking seriously and has gotten her feelings hurt. It's partly Fe PoLR -- he doesn't emote enough for it to be clear he's joking unless you are in on it enough to know.
You are loving Bill Burr lately, huh @Maritsa. You're making me want to watch one of his specials again
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
You have a big soft heart.Really I thought I did by saying he won't talk to me But every time I tell someone they won't I end up talking to them
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
@HotSauce what do you think about this interaction?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa,
I think LSE may say many things that you'd like to say but you may be too diplomatic to deliver the goods in that way. What's worst: to embarrass oneself or someone else with the truth or to think one way but diplomatically say something else to protect sensitivities; with one, you may anger and with the other, you may promote delusion. I think LSE are very open to forthright correction of their actions even though they may fight back during the process; other's can be far more intransigent and devious. And, all types make terrible decisions, even those that do not create a scene or rub people the wrong way.
a.k.a. I/O
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Bill Burr is other type
it's hard for exrtaverts to keep silence
If you can't help it, don't be so hard on yourself.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Bill Burr is LSE? That explains why I like him as a comedian and his podcasts even though he's probably an asshole, lol.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
Let's look at this:
1. "I'm being a professional."
2. "I've done this and that...."
3. "That is the second time you say this..."
4. "I don't do that..."
5. "I don't feel like this is happening to someone else..." Si
6. "That was tremendously unprofessional." TeSi
7. "That became a style...you see the people in the crowd making the videos" Action all of it observation of action
8. "I try to use those tools when I do the act." Who else uses tools as a tactical move?
9. "the way they shot that show was this here that there and that there and when I watched it at home." Sequence of events and actions are described
So what other type is he? I can think of SiTe SLI but no other type.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I couldn't find a video of it but that part in season 5 episode 5 of The Walking Dead when Abraham wants to blindly charge through a massive hoard of zombies and then goes berserk when the others refuse to follow is a perfect example of how LSEs can sometimes be difficult IMO.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I wasn't talking to you, it was directed at other readers.
I'm quite alright with not actually interacting with you here.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Showing disdain and being abusive are not the same thing.
If you think taking down equals questioning what someone knows, or clarifying that I wasn't speaking to her (because we often avoid interacting), then so be it.
I think much of what she said is very problematic, and I stand by that belief.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
He's not being abusive. He's messing with her.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Not to break any unspoken mutual avoidance truces, but I have to say I love this response. Well done. Elegant, simple, peace-making, yet non-aggressively maintains your position.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
Thank you
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Merit he doesn't want to be seen as having done something wrong because it's not his intention to make her feel bad. He just says things which are not pretty and flowery but he cares and provides. He's still being difficult
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I see how I phrased things takes away from my actual goal; no I was not trying to be "abusive" or dismissive, but I suppose the less problematic way to say it is that much of the advice given I find highly problematic. I regret the .... confusion or offense.... such might have caused.
Overly positive or negative behaviors, elements of respect, shouldn't be excused or overlooked or expected because of someone's type or intertype relationship. That can be very dangerous, especially if someone is in a bad situation - the last thing needed is more justification to stay in a place, "because my dual just isn't supposed to be good at that, and I am just supposed to be able to deal with it".
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re yen.
If you particularly want to talk about type stuff we can somewhere else.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The dad in Shit My Dad Says is LSE, I believe. I have been reading this and cracking up
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
I think Bill Burr looks a lot like Joe McHale but Paul Harvey comes up as his physical match a lot, in various percentages.
http://www.celebslike.me/match?imgur...56928&y=0.4305
I looked him up and I think maybe Paul was LSE too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Harvey
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Harvey is LSE
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I have always had a pretty good eye for noticing similarities in faces but since playing with facial recognition I am getting better. Structurally Bill and Donald do not appear to look the same to me so I ran some comparisons, and of the few I did, I only got 33% match between Trump and Burr. I could have done more but I used three from different angles and thought it was sufficient for this exercise. I am not invested in him being any type. Not surprisingly there is greater similarity between Trump and Newt.
and this guy, Larry Wilcox.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
@Willyum Take4, I think VI can be useful and even illumunating, but despite the photo match-ups you posted (some of which are remarkable), Burr and Trump VI differently to me (apart from the tremendous differences in their personalities and the impressions of them I get from watching and listening to them).
@Aylen -- That's an interesting tool. I like that
"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra
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