80Q and video(s)- help me please?

[Adena]

SEE seems right

Interesting, why is that?

Do you feel shame when you are doing something mean as you are doing it?

Depends if I like the person or not xD Most of the time I do, unless the person is someone I dislike who's also currently really, really getting on my nerves which doesn't happen often.

[Beautiful sky]

Im sorry I didn't read or watch your videos when I typed you. You are 100% T type. You could be LSE

10. What is more important in life – to be a good person or be a successful one? Why? Is a good person always successful? If not, then why?
Being a good person. Also, I think good people are always successful because they just have this aura around them, which makes them so likeable and admirable.

That would be Fi seeking or suggestivity

[Beautiful sky]

Interesting, why is that?




Depends if I like the person or not xD Most of the time I do, unless the person is someone I dislike who's also currently really, really getting on my nerves which doesn't happen often.

your first video is the kind of tease play that I enjoy in a comfortable relationship; except unlike your sister I don't have that many varied expressionism. I'm kind of um less expressionless

[Beautiful sky]

My main method is inuitive impressions from nonverbal behavior.
You may look at your possible dual in my bloggers list in the signature.

you didn't read her words and watch her video did you? she is very aggressive and observes her sister's actions with regards to what she does and doesn't do and judges her by these actions but as hard line as she is she still values good behavior, kind people. And, she plans lol Te is concerned with planned action

[Adena]

Im sorry I didn't read or watch your videos when I typed you. You are 100% T type. You could be LSE

10. What is more important in life – to be a good person or be a successful one? Why? Is a good person always successful? If not, then why?
Being a good person. Also, I think good people are always successful because they just have this aura around them, which makes them so likeable and admirable.

That would be Fi seeking or suggestivity

Hahaha, yeah, I'm as T as it gets probably.

Fi isn't impossible, quite likely actually.

your first video is the kind of tease play that I enjoy in a comfortable relationship; except unlike your sister I don't have that many varied expressionism. I'm kind of um less expressionless

Hahaha my sister is the defintion of an expressive face

[Myst]

Really? Spooky! Also, makes me wonder

Yeaah it's funny. I asked her to analyze a few more answers of yours but she hasn't got back to me yet.

2. I can see where it's coming from. I mean, ideas does not have to be realistic in order to be good. But I don't believe that is so

Were you quoting a saying here in which you don't believe, or..?

Hahaha, yeah, I'm as T as it gets probably.

Actually you seem to be quite in touch with some F stuff - your story on the teacher was quite heartfelt sounding, you said you tend to humanize your explanations of logical things (e.g. the chemistry stuff) in your mind, also when you referred to liking a person or not in terms of minding mean things done to them. The latter almost sounds like an example of making a decision based on feelings, though it's not the same thing as it was just about the presence of an emotional reaction (shame) and that emotional reaction doesn't necessarily have to affect your actions. But your feeling of shame itself is certainly affected by awareness of F value judgments (like/dislike).

So I'm still not entirely sure on your typing.

As for your understanding of when a thing is mean, you determine that by those gut feelings? And then what does it depend on whether you will actually do it?

Btw, where you said that the gut feeling depends on things like your strong value of equality, can you explain more about how you see this value of yours?

[Kill4Me]

ESE-Fi 1w2 so/sx

[Beautiful sky]

ESE-Fi 1w2 so/sx

NO

[Myst]

So the ESE-Fi stuff by kill4me isn't a typo as I earlier thought... Weird subtype

[Beautiful sky]

So the ESE-Fi stuff by kill4me isn't a typo as I earlier thought... Weird subtype

Lol. I didn't notice that

[Sol]

I'll look into intertype relations this weekend, as I'll finally have some time.

seems not

[Beautiful sky]

seems not

She is mindful of her appearance.

[Adena]

Yeaah it's funny. I asked her to analyze a few more answers of yours but she hasn't got back to me yet.




Were you quoting a saying here in which you don't believe, or..?




Actually you seem to be quite in touch with some F stuff - your story on the teacher was quite heartfelt sounding, you said you tend to humanize your explanations of logical things (e.g. the chemistry stuff) in your mind, also when you referred to liking a person or not in terms of minding mean things done to them. The latter almost sounds like an example of making a decision based on feelings, though it's not the same thing as it was just about the presence of an emotional reaction (shame) and that emotional reaction doesn't necessarily have to affect your actions. But your feeling of shame itself is certainly affected by awareness of F value judgments (like/dislike).

So I'm still not entirely sure on your typing.

As for your understanding of when a thing is mean, you determine that by those gut feelings? And then what does it depend on whether you will actually do it?

Btw, where you said that the gut feeling depends on things like your strong value of equality, can you explain more about how you see this value of yours?

I can't believe it, I've written everything down and my computer shut down.

Basically if something mean is said, I won't let that go unnoticed. I'll be respectful, but firm. Honestly, mean things/people are those who hurt others, or think they're superior.

My whole worldview is very socially-minded, kinda soft communist xD Perhaps that's me coming from old money, but I think we should give whatever we can and help others. All people are created equal, and society takes that away from us. We should work for equality for everyone.

[Adena]

@Maritsa @Sol yes lmao sorry about that, I've been away due to SCHOOL WORK. HATE IT.
@Kill4Me is ESE-Fi is a real subtype?

[Beautiful sky]

@Maritsa @Sol yes lmao sorry about that, I've been away due to SCHOOL WORK. HATE IT.
@Kill4Me is ESE-Fi is a real subtype?

No it's not a real subtype and his typings are causing ulcers in me

[Adena]

No it's not a real subtype and his typings are causing ulcers in me

Hahaha, maybe he's a troll, or perhaps it's a typo and he meant ESE-Fe and in that case NO.

[Beautiful sky]

Hahaha, maybe he's a troll, or perhaps it's a typo and he meant ESE-Fe and in that case NO.

yes

[Adena]

yes

Do you still stand behind SEE?

[Beautiful sky]

Do you still stand behind SEE?

no. Your sister is the Actor archetype you are the director. You tell her what to do and she doesn't do it Sounds like Benefit relations

[Myst]

I can't believe it, I've written everything down and my computer shut down.

Basically if something mean is said, I won't let that go unnoticed. I'll be respectful, but firm. Honestly, mean things/people are those who hurt others, or think they're superior.

My whole worldview is very socially-minded, kinda soft communist xD Perhaps that's me coming from old money, but I think we should give whatever we can and help others. All people are created equal, and society takes that away from us. We should work for equality for everyone.

OK, don't have time now, anyway, no new thoughts on your typing.

[Myst]

@Adena

Still around?

[Adena]

@Adena

Still around?

Kind of lurking, been kidna busy and this thread was no good to me haha

[Myst]

Kind of lurking, been kidna busy and this thread was no good to me haha

How has the LSE typing been working for you? (I had a different type idea for you come up but not sure. So I'm curious about this first.)

[Adena]

How has the LSE typing been working for you? (I had a different type idea for you come up but not sure. So I'm curious about this first.)

I'm not sure, I'm finding myself relating a lot to Beta than any other quadra Ohh, I'm curious!

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You seemed LSI last time I checked.

[Myst]

I'm not sure, I'm finding myself relating a lot to Beta than any other quadra Ohh, I'm curious!

Oh, hm, how do you relate to Beta?

My other question - do you have anything against EII?

You seemed LSI last time I checked.

Hmm. Are you sure you weren't just seeing generic Ij stuff in the video?

[Adena]

Oh, hm, how do you relate to Beta?

My other question - do you have anything against EII?




Hmm. Are you sure you weren't just seeing generic Ij stuff in the video?

Again, I might be going by superficial description because I am a Socionics n00b but I've written a post about it in PersonalityCafe. I'd say Beta>Alpha>Delta>Gamma. But this could all be stereotypes and I don't really understand anything

I've read EII descriptions now and I can see it. For now I don;t think I have anything against it, but I will probably have to think a little more and I'll find something. Maybe the fact that my Ti is pretty dead.

[Adena]

You seemed LSI last time I checked.

Could be, though I think I have a better grasp of Fe than the average LSI.

[Beautiful sky]

Could be, though I think I have a better grasp of Fe than the average LSI.

Hi

[Adena]

Hi

Hahaha hiya

[Myst]

Again, I might be going by superficial description because I am a Socionics n00b but I've written a post about it in PersonalityCafe. I'd say Beta>Alpha>Delta>Gamma. But this could all be stereotypes and I don't really understand anything

I've read EII descriptions now and I can see it. For now I don;t think I have anything against it, but I will probably have to think a little more and I'll find something. Maybe the fact that my Ti is pretty dead.

Well if you try on EII, I'm sure you can see after a while if it works or not I've checked some stuff in your questionnaire again and I still think EII, yeah

I know E1 was brought up earlier but I think I see Fi beyond just the E1-ness.

[Myst]

I've read EII descriptions now and I can see it. For now I don;t think I have anything against it, but I will probably have to think a little more and I'll find something. Maybe the fact that my Ti is pretty dead.

Think I skimmed your last sentence too fast before, what typo is this "dead"? I mean I can't figure out what you may have meant there.

[Adena]

Well if you try on EII, I'm sure you can see after a while if it works or not I've checked some stuff in your questionnaire again and I still think EII, yeah

I know E1 was brought up earlier but I think I see Fi beyond just the E1-ness.

Could be! Mhm, interesting.

E1 is me, regardless of Sociotype.

Think I skimmed your last sentence too fast before, what typo is this "dead"? I mean I can't figure out what you may have meant there.

lmao, it is not a typo! I meant that my Ti is dead, as in, nonexistent. Though when I think about it more in depth, it might not be true.

[Exodus]

Seems like the videos have been removed? Anyways, I still think you are ESE. I can see why someone might think Gamma SF based on your answers (which are sort of Se-heavy at times), but I don't remember anything from your other videos that would suggest it.

"1. Do you like surprises?
No. I literally can't handle a change of schedule."

Lots of these questions have nothing to do with the elements they are supposed to be testing. Anyways, I would relate this to valuing Ti and very strongly so.

"8. Do you need help creating forecasts and determining how something will end? Do you trust those forecasts?
Yes, I have to many ideas and I need to ask people, to narrow down my options."

Sounds like you need help with Ni and maybe also Ti.

"4. When you meet a stranger, what can you say about them right away? How do you know what this person is all about? Does it take long to understand someone's talents?
You can say a lot from the way they talked and presented themselves, from what they talked about and how they talked. It doesn't take too much time to understand someone, really. I tend to evaluate person quickly and often I'm correct. Once I learn something about a person I just put it in the framework. "

You said you don't think you lead with Fe? This literally is Fe - knowing how to read people, what they are communicating about themselves, etc.

"6. You go to the store and see something you're interested in buying; there is a price tag on it. What parameters are you going to use to understand if it's overpriced, underpriced, or priced correctly?
I decide based on the product's looks and qualities plus comparing the prices. But you know, if someone looks shiny and new I'd probably prefer it over something that might be more effective, but ugly."

Liking pretty things that aren't necessarily effective - common among Alpha SFs, though with Gamma SFs too. It shows you're making judgments with ethics and sensing rather than logic and intuition.

"5. What is hierarchy? Do you need to follow it? Why or why not?
Hierarchy is being devided to groups in which one controls the other. I like hierarchy, clear rules and guidelines."

Again, seems clear that you value Ti. You have a lot of other answers that confirm this (like, sleeping exactly 8 hours, no more and no less).

" I usually follow unless there is something in the authority above me that I'm really against. I have this ability where I can do what I want but make the supervisor think they're in charge and I don't get into trouble. "

This suggests you are good at Se and probably also Fe.

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7. Can you change the emotional state of yourself? Of others? To what side – positive or negative?
It's quite easy for me to become sad, I just think about sad things and I start crying and being anxious. Positive emotions are harder, but also possible."

this is "100% T type"? no way lol.

[Myst]

Could be! Mhm, interesting.

E1 is me, regardless of Sociotype.

Curious what you relate to / don't relate to in EII if you have a summary. (Don't have to go into details, just the main points)

lmao, it is not a typo! I meant that my Ti is dead, as in, nonexistent. Though when I think about it more in depth, it might not be true.

Lol, well I saw some reliance on Ti but it may very well be strict normative Ti role function (that EII has). Overall, if I review all your posts in this thread, it does seem like you readily override Ti with some other ways of thinking (Ethics and/or Intuitive stuff).

"1. Do you like surprises?
No. I literally can't handle a change of schedule."

Lots of these questions have nothing to do with the elements they are supposed to be testing. Anyways, I would relate this to valuing Ti and very strongly so.

True, quite a few questions can be answered via another IE than what it's supposed to test for.

I'd be curious as to why you relate this to Ti valuing because strong Ji (Fi included, Ij temperament) in general doesn't like changes* or LSE (devalued Ti) would also possibly have trouble with schedule changes with their Ni PoLR. I can also see it as weak Te. Etc.

*: Though it seems this is only true when the Ji is strong enough. I personally can handle a change of schedule if I must, for example.

"8. Do you need help creating forecasts and determining how something will end? Do you trust those forecasts?
Yes, I have to many ideas and I need to ask people, to narrow down my options."

Sounds like you need help with Ni and maybe also Ti.

That one did make me think of Ne HA earlier.

"4. When you meet a stranger, what can you say about them right away? How do you know what this person is all about? Does it take long to understand someone's talents?
You can say a lot from the way they talked and presented themselves, from what they talked about and how they talked. It doesn't take too much time to understand someone, really. I tend to evaluate person quickly and often I'm correct. Once I learn something about a person I just put it in the framework. "

You said you don't think you lead with Fe? This literally is Fe - knowing how to read people, what they are communicating about themselves, etc.

I was thinking this is some sort of Ne valuing here with Ne being stronger than 1D. I'm not seeing where this is Fe specific, can you explain how you see it as Fe?

"6. You go to the store and see something you're interested in buying; there is a price tag on it. What parameters are you going to use to understand if it's overpriced, underpriced, or priced correctly?
I decide based on the product's looks and qualities plus comparing the prices. But you know, if someone looks shiny and new I'd probably prefer it over something that might be more effective, but ugly."

Liking pretty things that aren't necessarily effective - common among Alpha SFs, though with Gamma SFs too. It shows you're making judgments with ethics and sensing rather than logic and intuition.

Rather Ethics ego answer, yes (weak Te).

"5. What is hierarchy? Do you need to follow it? Why or why not?
Hierarchy is being devided to groups in which one controls the other. I like hierarchy, clear rules and guidelines."

Again, seems clear that you value Ti. You have a lot of other answers that confirm this (like, sleeping exactly 8 hours, no more and no less).

Lol sleeping 8 hours, no more and no less, I don't see why that needs to be Ti valuing?

"I usually follow unless there is something in the authority above me that I'm really against. I have this ability where I can do what I want but make the supervisor think they're in charge and I don't get into trouble. "

This suggests you are good at Se and probably also Fe.

The real question here is, what happens when "there is something in the authority above me that I'm really against"?

"7. Can you change the emotional state of yourself? Of others? To what side – positive or negative?
It's quite easy for me to become sad, I just think about sad things and I start crying and being anxious. Positive emotions are harder, but also possible."

this is "100% T type"? no way lol.

Lol, good point, I also chose to ignore the "100% T type" claim after OP gave too many Ethics based answers to my questions in this thread.

So, ESE vs EII... hmm, both would be Ethics lead with Ne valuing. But instead of cherrypicking a few lines from OP's answers, it would be better detecting an overall trend for the Base function to see the type. I do agree that Ethics lead is quite likely for such a trend.

[Sol]

I meant that my Ti is dead, as in, nonexistent.

Type is just a balance of functions in consciousness. You may think less about Ti questions than some F-related ones, for example, but this disbalance is noway close to 0%. And when Ti is less represented in consciousness it not just dies, it goes to unconscious and acts there as as a partisan, led by archaic forms of "thinking". Such mechanism is behind of neurotic disorders, as Jung thought.

[Exodus]

I'd be curious as to why you relate this to Ti valuing because strong Ji (Fi included, Ij temperament) in general doesn't like changes* or LSE (devalued Ti) would also possibly have trouble with schedule changes with their Ni PoLR. I can also see it as weak Te. Etc.

I think I would not relate this to Ni PoLR. An LSE is going to be managing things according to the needs of the moment (TeSi) and will be reluctant to impose any more structure that might get in the way of this. An ESI might adhere to structure with Ti Role but I don't think they would verbalize such a strong preference for it, it's more something they do as a coping mechanism.

That one did make me think of Ne HA earlier.

Yes, I agree

I was thinking this is some sort of Ne valuing here with Ne being stronger than 1D. I'm not seeing where this is Fe specific, can you explain how you see it as Fe?

Maybe the best thing here is to refer you to my articles: https://wholesocionics.herokuapp.com...lement-Agendas

I see Fe as being about far more than emotions, it's about what is "going on" inside a person (usually in the form of momentary states, sometimes emotions but not necessarily), and how they communicate or express that externally. Another example of self-expression here is her attitude towards interior design: "I believe I'd bring some of myself in a room I'll design."

Lol sleeping 8 hours, no more and no less, I don't see why that needs to be Ti valuing?

Well, it's an example of adhering to a rule. I think a Te valuer would question the pragmatic value of such a rule.

So, ESE vs EII... hmm, both would be Ethics lead with Ne valuing. But instead of cherrypicking a few lines from OP's answers, it would be better detecting an overall trend for the Base function to see the type. I do agree that Ethics lead is quite likely for such a trend.

Well, I was trying to give specific examples, I don't think I was cherry-picking that much. The overall picture is pretty consistent IMO. The only thing I found particularly unusual was the part about having lives in her head. If you are trying to distinguish between Fi vs Fe, maybe Adena can elaborate on this statement:

"I don't keep secrets as a rule, I just don't feel the need to share. I'm always very nice, but I keep people at a distance."

Like what does that mean exactly? What is an example of something you wouldn't share, and why? How do you go about being nice?

[Myst]

I think I would not relate this to Ni PoLR. An LSE is going to be managing things according to the needs of the moment (TeSi) and will be reluctant to impose any more structure that might get in the way of this. An ESI might adhere to structure with Ti Role but I don't think they would verbalize such a strong preference for it, it's more something they do as a coping mechanism.

I've heard the opposite about LSEs so that's too much contradictory info, so, I'd like to entirely drop this point on schedules, it being too ambiguous to be usable for typing.

Maybe the best thing here is to refer you to my articles: https://wholesocionics.herokuapp.com...lement-Agendas

I see Fe as being about far more than emotions, it's about what is "going on" inside a person (usually in the form of momentary states, sometimes emotions but not necessarily), and how they communicate or express that externally. Another example of self-expression here is her attitude towards interior design: "I believe I'd bring some of myself in a room I'll design."

The thing is, Ne will look at inner properties and that's what the question was getting at originally. So no, I don't see why this answer by OP is Fe instead of Ne. "I tend to evaluate person quickly and often I'm correct. Once I learn something about a person I just put it in the framework." Does not seem Fe or not purely Fe. Seems like a more Static thing. And/or maybe an introverted thing due to the reference to "framework", though not necessarily.

Well, it's an example of adhering to a rule. I think a Te valuer would question the pragmatic value of such a rule.

Again, this is too ambiguous for typing, I highly doubt that all Te valuers would question it or we'd have the perfect test already to find type (or at least the perfect test question to determine Ti/Te valuing). No, unfortunately it's not that simple.

Well, I was trying to give specific examples, I don't think I was cherry-picking that much. The overall picture is pretty consistent IMO.

It's not consistent to me if I try to look at things with the ESE option. Where is the Si creative, for example?

If you are trying to distinguish between Fi vs Fe, maybe Adena can elaborate on this statement:

"I don't keep secrets as a rule, I just don't feel the need to share. I'm always very nice, but I keep people at a distance."

Like what does that mean exactly? What is an example of something you wouldn't share, and why? How do you go about being nice?

Yeah, I'll be curious to hear more on this.

[Exodus]

The thing is, Ne will look at inner properties and that's what the question was getting at originally. So no, I don't see why this answer by OP is Fe instead of Ne. "I tend to evaluate person quickly and often I'm correct. Once I learn something about a person I just put it in the framework." Does not seem Fe or not purely Fe. Seems like a more Static thing. And/or maybe an introverted thing due to the reference to "framework", though not necessarily.

Yes, it's Fe but she's using Ti language to describe it. Or you could say it's Fe + Ti. Ne when applied to people is more specifically about talents and knowing what people would be good at.

[Myst]

Yes, it's Fe but she's using Ti language to describe it. Or you could say it's Fe + Ti. Ne when applied to people is more specifically about talents and knowing what people would be good at.

I don't see the Ti. "Framework" isn't a Ti specific buzzword.