80 questions (round 2)

[Myst]

I found this description that also describes this behavior in Ne leading types, the bolded parts are ones I relate to especially. Perhaps Myst has finally won on this debate.

Haha


Btw the below parts of what you bolded are what I think are definitely related to Ne (with my comments added):

It can be difficult to debate or negotiate with him because he is, as if, constantly maneuvering while moving through life: "this can be that way, but also another way."
(This pissed me off before )

If he's already running late for work and you ask him to take the trash since he is already late, this destroys this "wholeness", since it all was "already taken into account" that sometimes he may run late for work, but this "wholeness" of the worldview did not encompass a full bag of trash.
I don't know how you interpret the wholeness thingy here.

Those who criticize their random flow of idea, they find annoying as they can not defend their arguments
ILEs vs me have this issue a lot, yeah, though I don't even have to criticize the idea, I can annoy them in a particular way even by just asking them to go into concrete detail

They are irritated by people who initiate conflicts and scandals, even when there was a good reason for it.
Ne valuing in general

[Muddy]

There are still a few a issues I have with typing myself as ILE that I want to iron out.

First is Fi polr and how I don't relate to a lot descriptions that describe them as people who butt into conversations. I can be somewhat socially awkward at times but I'm pretty aware of when myself and others are being rude. If someone criticizes for verbally lashing out against someone (which is rare) I might be annoyed but I could understand where they are coming from. What really annoys me when it comes to Fi related things is "Universal Morality", as in someone telling me to not waste food because there are children starving in Africa, even though the food won't reach those children in Africa regardless if I eat it or not. I only care about being good to the people in my immediate vicinity and I could not care less about people I will never see or interact with in any way whatsoever.

Second is Fe and how still remains odd why an ILE would have my level of cynicism and disregard towards active socializing.

Third, Ti. I find myself to get very frustrated with people who get strict with rules. Even just saying the words "Structure, order" generates distaste. I heavily disliked going to school, FYI.

Still not really sure to make of Te. People who are overly concerned about productivity tend to annoy me, but so do people who fart around and socialize when I'm getting slammed with stuff at work.

Also uncertain about how important Si is to me. If someone wants to go the store and buy me groceries and cook me food then I'll gladly let them, but I'm not really all that considered about having someone fancy up my house and shit.

Ne and Ni are both undoubtedly strong. Those have already been discussed into oblivion along with Se so not much to add there.

[Myst]

There are still a few a issues I have with typing myself as ILE that I want to iron out.

I have a few minutes this evening.

First is Fi polr and how I don't relate to a lot descriptions that describe them as people who butt into conversations. I can be somewhat socially awkward at times but I'm pretty aware of when myself and others are being rude. If someone criticizes for verbally lashing out against someone (which is rare) I might be annoyed but I could understand where they are coming from. What really annoys me when it comes to Fi related things is "Universal Morality", as in someone telling me to not waste food because there are children starving in Africa, even though the food won't reach those children in Africa regardless if I eat it or not. I only care about being good to the people in my immediate vicinity and I could not care less about people I will never see or interact with in any way whatsoever.

Butting into convos or social awkwardness... that's not Fi PoLR. Fe HA can take care of this stuff just fine.

Fi PoLR is about the inability to judge psychological distance between people vs yourself. Let me know if this definition was too abstract and I can try and concretize it more.

Second is Fe and how still remains odd why an ILE would have my level of cynicism and disregard towards active socializing.

I don't know. You'd need to examine your reasons/motivations for this one more. Disregard socionics models while analyzing this out to avoid introducing bias. Though I'm aware this may be hard to do. I don't know what else to suggest.

(If you hating socializing and all that does bother you on some level - I still remember your post about how you used to have more fun around people until some crap happened - then I also suggest going way past Socionics to get more direct help for the issue. If this is irrelevant, feel free to disregard this note.)

Third, Ti. I find myself to get very frustrated with people who get strict with rules. Even just saying the words "Structure, order" generates distaste. I heavily disliked going to school, FYI.

That's Ti blocked with Se. ILEs can dislike that.

Still not really sure to make of Te. People who are overly concerned about productivity tend to annoy me, but so do people who fart around and socialize when I'm getting slammed with stuff at work.

For the former: that does sound devalued Te. For the latter, everyone would agree regardless of type.

Also uncertain about how important Si is to me. If someone wants to go the store and buy me groceries and cook me food then I'll gladly let them, but I'm not really all that considered about having someone fancy up my house and shit.

I don't think men usually care much about decoration.

Ne and Ni are both undoubtedly strong. Those have already been discussed into oblivion along with Se so not much to add there.

Okay. Remember where I asked you about Se role where you sounded like it, with sometimes trying to catch up with others in Se areas.


All in all I still see you as someone who's got little clue on Fi and so overrelies on Socionics to explain some people related things. This observation definitely does not go against ILE. Btw nothing wrong with not knowing some things about people, I'm sure these things can be still analyzed out with Ti. I just find your way of trying to do it a bit too "up in the clouds" with using these theoretical models. Again, very much doesn't go against ILE.

I wish you luck to the typing journey and to understanding people better (it really does seem like you have that interest too since you constantly try to explain people using various Socionics models/ideas).

[Muddy]

I have a few minutes this evening.




Butting into convos or social awkwardness... that's not Fi PoLR. Fe HA can take care of this stuff just fine.

Fi PoLR is about the inability to judge psychological distance between people vs yourself. Let me know if this definition was too abstract and I can try and concretize it more.

I don't know. You'd need to examine your reasons/motivations for this one more. Disregard socionics models while analyzing this out to avoid introducing bias. Though I'm aware this may be hard to do. I don't know what else to suggest.

(If you hating socializing and all that does bother you on some level - I still remember your post about how you used to have more fun around people until some crap happened - then I also suggest going way past Socionics to get more direct help for the issue. If this is irrelevant, feel free to disregard this note.)

That's Ti blocked with Se. ILEs can dislike that.

For the former: that does sound devalued Te. For the latter, everyone would agree regardless of type.

I don't think men usually care much about decoration.

Okay. Remember where I asked you about Se role where you sounded like it, with sometimes trying to catch up with others in Se areas.

All in all I still see you as someone who's got little clue on Fi and so overrelies on Socionics to explain some people related things. This observation definitely does not go against ILE. Btw nothing wrong with not knowing some things about people, I'm sure these things can be still analyzed out with Ti. I just find your way of trying to do it a bit too "up in the clouds" with using these theoretical models. Again, very much doesn't go against ILE.

I wish you luck to the typing journey and to understanding people better (it really does seem like you have that interest too since you constantly try to explain people using various Socionics models/ideas).

I generally see Fi polr as an inability too see when you are coming off as insensitive at closer distances, and Fe polr dealing more with further distances. I've never really encountered any screw ups with people whom I've known for a long time and developed a sense of closeness with, its only with people whom either I haven't gotten a chance to know or are an unfavorable type to mine, which appears to be Beta ST (Not just you BTW, I seemed to run into problems with other Beta STs as well). Its hard to know though how much type relation effects that and how much of it effected by Beta ST's tendency for universal conflict. I haven't noticed any obvious friction with Fe or Fi egos.

In most sources in seems that structure and order are quite the quintessential definition of Ti. Se only really has to do with the way that order is implemented. Chips for example seems quite in favor of law and things being organized despite being Se polr. The only real difference between alpha and beta NT/STs is that beta STs are much more likely take a more active approach in implementing law and order, with alpha's spending more time designing and interpreting laws instead. I doubt I could be Ti ego when I quite clearly experience annoyance when subjects such as following the rules or keeping things organized are brought up.

If Te was my demonstrative then it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense way I experience a lot of unease when my productivity and ability to perform tasks is criticized. Demonstrative is supposed to be able to strongly dismiss criticism.

Not liking people who are over focused on productivity could be related Si valuing and not necessarily devaluing of Te. I don't like being brought out of state of relaxation in order to focus on being productive. In the same way Betas tend to a more hardcore approach in implementing laws then alphas, Gammas tend to take a more hardcore approach towards being productive then Deltas.

[Myst]

I generally see Fi polr as an inability too see when you are coming off as insensitive at closer distances, and Fe polr dealing more with further distances. I've never really encountered any screw ups with people whom I've known for a long time and developed a sense of closeness with, its only with people whom either I haven't gotten a chance to know or are an unfavorable type to mine, which appears to be Beta ST (Not just you BTW, I seemed to run into problems with other Beta STs as well). Its hard to know though how much type relation effects that and how much of it effected by Beta ST's tendency for universal conflict. I haven't noticed any obvious friction with Fe or Fi egos.

OK, I don't expect a Fi PoLR type to understand when they come off as insensitive at closer distances with people who tolerate or don't mind it. Or why the closeness developed in the first place if they minded this, I wouldn't know...

I don't think Fe/Fi have anything directly to do with insensitivity on different distances, though I would say Fe PoLR is more noticeable to me with more people around, for me personally, BUT not due to them acting insensitive or anything like that.

In most sources in seems that structure and order are quite the quintessential definition of Ti. Se only really has to do with the way that order is implemented. Chips for example seems quite in favor of law and things being organized despite being Se polr. The only real difference between alpha and beta NT/STs is that beta STs are much more likely take a more active approach in implementing law and order, with alpha's spending more time designing and interpreting laws instead. I doubt I could be Ti ego when I quite clearly experience annoyance when subjects such as following the rules or keeping things organized are brought up.

Chips doesn't enforce order like it's done with the rules you are referring to. That's Se and that's what you seem to dislike.

Keeping tangible things organized is Ti with Se again.

If Te was my demonstrative then it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense way I experience a lot of unease when my productivity and ability to perform tasks is criticized. Demonstrative is supposed to be able to strongly dismiss criticism.

Perhaps the Se type of expectations again?

Not liking people who are over focused on productivity could be related Si valuing and not necessarily devaluing of Te. I don't like being brought out of state of relaxation in order to focus on being productive. In the same way Betas tend to a more hardcore approach in implementing laws then alphas, Gammas tend to take a more hardcore approach towards being productive then Deltas.

Bolded is Si/Ne valuing and Te devaluing.

Not liking to mobilize suddenly for Se external demands is the Si/Ne valuing in it, not liking to mobilize for productivity is the Te devaluing.

Hope that clarifies the issue put in your first sentence as well.


All in all I don't see an SLI readily produce these Ne type of arguments for thinking outside the box (what if this, what if that) that you are doing here.

[Muddy]

Chips doesn't enforce order like it's done with the rules you are referring to. That's Se and that's what you seem to dislike.

Keeping tangible things organized is Ti with Se again.

It isn't JUST rules that generates displeasure with it comes to Ti related stuff. If you notice, alpha NTs and ocassionally betas often spend a lot of time creating these complex models. It would drive me insane to have sit down and meticulously perfect some kind of structure in the same way they do. Stuff like performing math equations or organizing books in a library (chips is a librarian) generates absolutely zero pleasure for me. The theories I create on this forum is the most I could when it comes to creating and organizing something, motivation to do so is sustained purely by Ne and social expectations. ILEs are known for their presence in formal academic institutions, which I would never be interested in being a part of.

I agree that I don't really think I am SLI, but perhaps it worth considering that I could be this weird, self-contrary EII-Ne subtype. It would explain the Te/Se sensitivity, disregard of Fe and annoyance towards Ti. Ni could be leaking from the demonstrative which might explain why I occasionally show it in some off my answers. It would make me your super-ego and chip's look-a-like, which could totally fit when reading the descriptions on those.

I'm going to take another look at those criticism questions, this time seeing how they compare with me as EII and you as LSI. I'll match up each answer by function, e.g your Ti answers against my Fi answers and so forth.


Role-"Ti: someone is being inconsistent or unfair, not following the rules" - I would view this as highly annoying and the person who said this as being a thorn in my side.

"Fi: someone is being mean or insensitive or doing something morally wrong"
- Indifferent or sometimes I would try to understand what they mean, again interested in making sense of the issue.

Suggestive-"Te: someone is doing a task in the wrong way, is not making themselves useful, or is not making sense in their behavior-"Sensitive, I try to perform my best when performing a task and I take it as a personal failure if I do something wrong.

"Fe: someone is being emotionally closed or indifferent, or has a bad attitude which is affecting others"
- For the former part: I would feel weird/uneasy and not entirely understanding it? For the latter, either very annoyed and/or I'd want to understand what they mean.

Base-"Fi: someone is being mean or insensitive or doing something morally wrong" -Indifferent mostly, could see it as valid critism in some cases and annoying in others.

"Ti: someone is being inconsistent or unfair, not following the rules"
- Indifference if I already have my opinion on it but if I don't understand where they are coming from, I'd ask about it more and be pretty interested in making sense of it.

Ignoring-"Fe: someone is being emotionally closed or indifferent, or has a bad attitude which is affecting others"- Doesn't even register as something worth bringing up at all and I would probably completely ignore whoever said this.

"Te: someone is doing a task in the wrong way, is not making themselves useful, or is not making sense in their behavior"
- Irritating. Couldn't care less about the "useful" part, since I have my opinion on that already.

Mobilizing-"Si: someone is creating conflict or unpleasantness, or isn't taking good care of themselves"- Could see the point this person would be making but I would probably just ignore them.

"Ni: someone is acting without thinking of the consequences, or isn't making adequate preparation for something"
- Either hard to imagine this too or where I can imagine it, often dismissal. I do not prepare as much as some IxIs seem to but I do not prepare less than I need to. While IxI runs around worried, I know perfectly well it will all be fine and I can even deliberately piss them off more for fun (not out of bad intentions). As for considering consequences, I decide myself when I am able to learn from mistakes by drawing the final conclusions and when I still need to analyze more to understand. Then my future actions depend on that. ...EDIT: this is true of only logical stuff. With people related stuff, I can take advice on this actually.

Vulnerable-"Se: someone is being lazy or out of touch with reality"- Very sensitive, I view laziness as one of my biggest character flaws. I don't really see myself as out of touch with reality though and I would probably ignore that part of it.

"Ne: someone is being close-minded or not considering something from a different perspective"
- Blah, fuck off. Usually these people are no more open-minded, they seem just as convinced about their viewpoint as I am about mine, at least they certainly do not try to consider mine.

Demonstrative-"Ni: someone is acting without thinking of the consequences, or isn't making adequate preparation for something"- Dismissal, I don't have problems thinking things through or preparing for stuff.

"Si: someone is creating conflict or unpleasantness, or isn't taking good care of themselves"
- At unease for the former part, indifferent about the latter, actually hard to imagine being told this / dismissal.

Creative- "Ne: someone is being close-minded or not considering something from a different perspective"- Dismissal, I view myself as capable in seeing what I need to see.

"Se: someone is being lazy or out of touch with reality"
- Former: indifferent (see above for "useful", same thing). Latter: again hard to imagine this / dismissal.



As you see, most of them match up surprisingly well, with only the role having much deviation.

[Myst]

It isn't JUST rules that generates displeasure with it comes to Ti related stuff. If you notice, alpha NTs and ocassionally betas often spend a lot of time creating these complex models. It would drive me insane to have sit down and meticulously perfect some kind of structure in the same way they do. Stuff like performing math equations or organizing books in a library (chips is a librarian) generates absolutely zero pleasure for me. The theories I create on this forum is the most I could when it comes to creating and organizing something, motivation to do so is sustained purely by Ne and social expectations. ILEs are known for their presence in formal academic institutions, which I would never be interested in being a part of.[

Mirrors have differences. I probably would not be capable of being a proper Se base either. Your theories have a decent amount of Ti in them. I don't think you really believe all ILEs are in formal academic institutions.

I agree that I don't really think I am SLI, but perhaps it worth considering that I could be this weird, self-contrary EII-Ne subtype. It would explain the Te/Se sensitivity, disregard of Fe and annoyance towards Ti. Ni could be leaking from the demonstrative which might explain why I occasionally show it in some off my answers. It would make me your super-ego and chip's look-a-like, which could totally fit when reading the descriptions on those.

I don't see Ti role, let alone Fi base.

I'm going to take another look at those criticism questions, this time seeing how they compare with me as EII and you as LSI. I'll match up each answer by function, e.g your Ti answers against my Fi answers and so forth.

(...)

As you see, most of them match up surprisingly well, with only the role having much deviation.

Apophenia. You already analyzed these from another standpoint (different type assumed) where you arrived at some different pattern.

[Muddy]

@Myst

Doesn't really seem we can get any further based on discussion alone it's seems.


I'll take a break from this thread for awhile until I get a better phone camera. Perhaps VI might be the most useful thing to go off of now.

[Myst]

@Myst

Doesn't really seem we can get any further based on discussion alone it's seems.


I'll take a break from this thread for awhile until I get a better phone camera. Perhaps VI might be the most useful thing to go off of now.

Yeah, why not - about the VI. I'm sure people will have some more input for that. (I don't really decide type from VI much myself so I don't engage in those threads)

And sorry yeah that's all the input I can give about text based info, your posts etc.

PS. I heard some ILEs don't like to be trapped inside having a type

[Adam Strange]

PS. I heard some ILEs don't like to be trapped inside having a type

Every SLI I've ever met thinks that typology is BS, and I'm pretty sure it's because they don't want to be "trapped" in a type. Or trapped in any way, really.

[Myst]

Every SLI I've ever met thinks that typology is BS, and I'm pretty sure it's because they don't want to be "trapped" in a type. Or trapped in any way, really.

OP here clearly doesn't think typology is BS What I meant was more about always playing with the possibility of another type.

[Muddy]

Happy day for you today @Myst, I decided to self-type as ILE finally. I wanted to put every other conceivable type under examination before going with it and I don't think there is much left to examine now. I'll still try to get some VI up whenever I get the chance but whatever.

I promise not to change it again......probably.

[Muddy]

Some photos will have to do for now.

http://www194.lunapic.com/do-not-lin...874?2934722318

http://www194.lunapic.com/do-not-link-here-use-hosting-instead/148258632773874?6519741016

http://www194.lunapic.com/do-not-link-here-use-hosting-instead/148258632773874?9238550016

http://www194.lunapic.com/do-not-lin...3082066​

[Exodus]

Your pics are all the same.

[Muddy]

Your pics are all the same.

Only post comments that are informative or don't posting please. The constant redundant corrections can get pretty annoying sometimes. I was aware they duplicated but I simply didn't care enough about it to fix it.

[Exodus]

Only post comments that are informative or don't posting please. The constant redundant corrections can get pretty annoying sometimes. I was aware they duplicated but I simply didn't care enough about it to fix it.

I figured you had intended to post more than one pic (since you did say "pics" after all and posted more than one link).

It's not redundant, maybe you shouldn't be so careless.

[Myst]

The links don't actually work for me. They all say "no direct linking"

[Muddy]

I figured you had intended to post more than one pic (since you did say "pics" after all and posted more than one link).

It's not redundant, maybe you shouldn't be so careless.

My PC just so happens to be down right now (im on shitty ps4 browser right now) which is part of the reason why I haven't messed with anything yet. I know you thought I probably wasn't aware of the mistake and you thought you were helping but I can't help but be annoyed when people try to correct me on things unless I ask them to. My step-dad would do that a lot and it constantly lead to friction. I appreciate help/advice more when it is delivered in a manner that is considerate to the person recieving it rather then as blunt attempts to demonstrate a person's incompetence.

[Exodus]

My PC just so happens to be down right now (im on shitty ps4 browser right now) which is part of the reason why I haven't messed with anything yet. I know you thought I probably wasn't aware of the mistake and you thought you were helping but I can't help but be annoyed when people try to correct me on things unless I ask them to. My step-dad would do that a lot and it constantly lead to friction. I appreciate help/advice more when it is delivered in a manner that is considerate to the person recieving it rather then as blunt attempts to demonstrate a person's incompetence.

ok, I won't try to help you in the future then.

I can't promise to not correct you on socionics things because you tend to throw ideas out there without thinking them through properly. Maybe you are ILE.

[Muddy]

I can't promise to not correct you on socionics things because you tend to throw ideas out there without thinking them through properly. Maybe you are ILE.

My strategy there when I post ideas on the forum is to put down my thoughts first and then worry about fixing them later after I see what other people post. I only worry about thinking things through if what I'm dealing with presents a real, serious impact on my life. The theorizing I do here is just mainly used as a mental excerise and nothing here plays any significant role in the way I live my life so therefore I don't really care if I happen to overlook a few things. What I do care however is my physical and mental capabilities which is why I get annoyed when others try to tell me I'm doing something wrong. It seems to me that you expect me to take you as an authority on socionics. Are you a member of any official school of socionics? I see that you have been here since 2006 so I'm sure you know a lot but otherwise I see no reason to take you any more seriously then any other member on this forum.

[Exodus]

My strategy there when I post ideas on the forum is to put down my thoughts first and then worry about fixing them later after I see what other people post. I only worry about thinking things through if what I'm dealing with presents a real, serious impact on my life. The theorizing I do here is just mainly used as a mental excerise and nothing here plays any significant role in the way I live my life so therefore I don't really care if I happen to overlook a few things. What I do care however is my physical and mental capabilities which is why I get annoyed when others try to tell me I'm doing something wrong. It seems to me that you expect me to take you as an authority on socionics. Are you a member of any official school of socionics? I see that you have been here since 2006 so I'm sure you know a lot but otherwise I see no reason to take you any more seriously then any other member on this forum.

I'm not part of any "official" school and I don't really expect anyone to take me as an authority either. If people post things about socionics then I try to offer useful input on it if I can.

[Muddy]

I'm not part of any "official" school and I don't really expect anyone to take me as an authority either. If people post things about socionics then I try to offer useful input on it if I can.

Ok then. I do find a lot of your post helpful and knowledgeable, but sometimes the intellectual-elitist vibes I get can rub me the wrong way sometimes. Maybe its got something to do with you having Fi as role idk. I guess I can be bit stubborn too but usually I don't try too hard to fix others on things that won't bring any benefit towards myself, unless the person is trying to impose something on me that is. In that way my selfishness can actually make it easier to get along with people as I tend to invest less in others which helps keep things light and carefree.

[Muddy]

It just hit me that a lot of my post seem sx/so-ish lately and I'm reconsidering my instinct stacking. I've always felt this inner need to destroy stuff, cause chaos, and challenge opinions by introducing my own theories as I do on this forum. Really thinking about I don't think I have much concern for SP. Not saving money for emergencies, not shovling the ice off my driveway in the winter, little concern for long term career and general planning , pleasure based life-philosophy.

Edit: Maybe this might have something to do with the downstream thing. Contraflow goes for Sp to Sx to So to Sp again so it would make sense that if I'm Sp/Sx I'd be moving in the direction of gradually becoming more Sx/So like.

[Muddy]

@thehotelambush

I have a question for you regarding some activities and what elements they employ. If I'm playing a game such as Dota or Call of Duty and focusing on getting a high kill to death ratio, what sort of information elements would that appeal to the most? I find that I derive the greatest satisfaction when I discover new methods and tactics that are effective at helping me win at something competitive or challenging, such as theory crafting overpowered builds in a video game to help me achieve a high K/D ratio.

My question to is what sort of IEs and their respective positions in Model A would this sort of thing appeal to the most. Would it be Ne, because I'm trying to discover new possibilities, or would it be Te, because I'm employing those possibilities for the purpose of helping me win games better? Does the competitive and violent nature of games such as CoD appeal to Se valuing types in any way?

[Exodus]

@thehotelambush

I have a question for you regarding some activities and what elements they employ. If I'm playing a game such as Dota or Call of Duty and focusing on getting a high kill to death ratio, what sort of information elements would that appeal to the most? I find that I derive the greatest satisfaction when I discover new methods and tactics that are effective at helping me win at something competitive or challenging, such as theory crafting overpowered builds in a video game to help me achieve a high K/D ratio.

My question to is what sort of IEs and their respective positions in Model A would this sort of thing appeal to the most. Would it be Ne, because I'm trying to discover new possibilities, or would it be Te, because I'm employing those possibilities for the purpose of helping me win games better? Does the competitive and violent nature of games such as CoD appeal to Se valuing types in any way?

This would be mostly Te and Se. Ne would play a more minor role. The bold functions can be like this to some extent, I have known some pretty competitive extroverted Alphas.

[Myst]

@Ares

Ne has a certain tactical flair to get solutions for complex situations. There was a good thread on this on the forum a while ago on how that tactics works compared to direct Se moves, I can't find it now. Essentially it's crazy new out-of-the-box twists on stuff. That can totally be applied in games and that forum thread delved into that too.

But here's some somewhat more distant examples (where Ne was compared to Se in situations where both IEs can apply):

"Do you mean apply pressure to people? I don’t really do that. I've had to get information out of people before, but I tricked them into revealing the information without pressuring them at all, by essentially tying them up in their own knots or asking them unexpected questions." (ILE)

"I'm more of a verbal type, when someone tries to hurt me on that level, I expertly manipulate their psyche into submission/ giving up just by words, threats, prodding every weak point there is. I see psychological weak spots of a verbal conflictor quickly and step on them as I want to, and confuse them with all sorts of bs, mixed signals, deflections until they stop understanding how their existence works. Or I might not react or saying anything at all, which is one of the best techniques. It drives overly aggressive people mad since they don't get the reaction they want. I can sort of protect others in the same verbal fashion so they will get an advantage, as in, maneuvering a discussion to avoid this or that person's harm." (IEE, @Chae specifically)

[Muddy]

@Myst

I agree without much question that my Se is weaker then my Ne. I've noticed that some of the other players I meet in games such as Dota often try to pressure their teammates into doing certain objectives or simply go around telling others to "git gud". Those kinds of players are probably Se egos and I don't act in the same way they do.

I don't use trickery or sweet talking any more then I use force in order to manipulate people. Most often my strategies for winning, or just doing any normal day to day task really, don't even involve other people at all. Instead I prefer to the go the "one man army" route and just do everything myself at the maximum of my physical capabilities. Sometimes other people will ask me how come I just don't get someone else to help me with something, and my response is that I simply prefer being able to do things by myself because I feel more accomplishment that way. The exceptions to this are if I lack the adequate experience I need to be able to do something, or if I have positive relationships with everyone around me.

[Myst]

I don't use trickery or sweet talking any more then I use force in order to manipulate people.

I didn't mean sweet talking with the above tactics. Just out of the box ideas for solutions.

The exceptions to this are if I lack the adequate experience I need to be able to do something, or if I have positive relationships with everyone around me.

How does the latter matter in this?

[Muddy]

How does the latter matter in this?

I don't like asking stuff from someone if I'm not comfortable being around them as I'm a bit sensitive towards hostile attitudes directed at me from strangers. I prefer to mind my own business around people I don't know in hopes they will do the same.

[Myst]

I don't like asking stuff from someone if I'm not comfortable being around them as I'm a bit sensitive towards hostile attitudes directed at me from strangers. I prefer to mind my own business around people I don't know in hopes they will do the same.

OK gotcha.

[Myst]

My mental attitude has shifted quite a bit in the past several months, probably due to having much more freedom and exposure to the world then I did previously. I took that SOLTI test again and got pretty different results.

When your test results stop shifting then maybe it'll actually be meaningful.

What were the IE results, tho'?

[Muddy]

When your test results stop shifting then maybe it'll actually be meaningful.

What were the IE results, tho'?

This site's image uploader keeps screwing me up by saying my files exceed the quota and then I have to upload and paste my photos to other sites so I can copy them, but they don't seem to work. Anyway the results were:

SLE- 1.8
SEE- 1.2
LIE- 0.8
ILI- 0.7
EIE- 0.55
LSI- 0.5
ILE- 0.5
LSE- 0.25
SLI- 0.15
IEI- -0.4
IEE- -0.45
LII- -0.7
ESE- -1.0
SEI- -1.05
ESI- -1.2
EII- -1.9

Se- 1.75
Te- 0.85
Ni- 0.45
Ti- 0
Ne- -0.05
Fe- -0.4
Si- -0.75
Fi- -1.7


Lot more Se then before basically.

[Muddy]

Periodically updating my results for consistency.

[Myst]

@Muddy

SLE, huh... (I don't think you are Se ego, no, lol)

Have you sorted out your picture of yourself yet?

I wonder if you claiming strong Intuition was leading the typers the wrong way. I basically still see a lot of focus on Ne of some kind and Si/Ne valuing on the surface but I dunno if the Se is all that weak for you.

You said this in one of your typing threads: "I am extremely aware the past and how events are likely to unfold". You could write in detail about an example of this.

[idontgiveaf]

Omg. Intuition. This is an example of intuitive person. Lol.
And some thinking.

Intj.

Yeah. No doubt about it.

Lii intj

Lii-Te?!

[idontgiveaf]

Not SLi. Really?!! You're an intuitive. I cannot understand you lol.

So intj LII