How do I experience Si when I value Se?

[seriousguy]

Fe is an action. Fi is not.

If you dislike people's Fi... You don't, because it is not an action which you can perceive. Only extroverted elements are actions.

Fi is the comparison of emotional states. Fe is the volatility that creates volatility in others, either for the betterment or harm of emotional stability as a whole.

I mentioned your age for a reason. Time exists. People change over time. Socionics was designed based upon people in their 30's.

"It must make logical sense" is Role Ti, not Ti Leading.



Notice how many of your statements refer to your typings of others, which may or may not be correct.

I dislike the statements coming from Fi, like strong convictions, black-and-white thinking which is probably expressed through Se and Te. My brother is ESI, and he's a clear Fi leading and he is 26 years old, and he has the same cognitive processing style for many years.

It is true that most people that I've typed are in their 20s, so they might be changing (according to Socionics), but I think people find out their type in the early 20s, unless they are trying to be someone else proactively. Many people that I've typed...I know them for years, and I can see that some things aren't gonna change in future.

How is "It must make logical sense" Role Ti? I didn't say I think myself as Ti Leading, but Ti HA. I see Ti as two-dimension (Ex + Nr) in myself, because I've learned a lot by surrounding myself with Ti Leading, so it could be either HA or role when taking dimensionality into account.

[Jeremy8419]

I dislike the statements coming from Fi, like strong convictions, black-and-white thinking which is probably expressed through Se and Te. My brother is ESI, and he's a clear Fi leading and he is 26 years old, and he has the same cognitive processing style for many years.

It is true that most people that I've typed are in their 20s, so they might be changing (according to Socionics), but I think people find out their type in the early 20s, unless they are trying to be someone else proactively. Many people that I've typed...I know them for years, and I can see that some things aren't gonna change in future.

How is "It must make logical sense" Role Ti? I didn't say I think myself as Ti Leading, but Ti HA. I see Ti as two-dimension (Ex + Nr) in myself, because I've learned a lot by surrounding myself with Ti Leading, so it could be either HA or role when taking dimensionality into account.

"I dislike the statements coming from Fi, like strong convictions, black-and-white thinking"
That's indicative of low dimensionality Fi, not high dimensionality.

Ti HA is adherence to personal laws, structures, logic; it relates to the self. Ti Role is adherence to logic as it relates in regards to others and society. "Seeking the truth" implies doing so about the truth of the world. "The world" is social super-block. Consciously thinking through logic of things is Ti in Mental.

[Beautiful sky]

You ignore it until extremes arise. If you eat without mindfulness you can wake up to overweight issues. Because food is texture and sense to food will cause a lot of eating. If you are prone to work you will wake up in a hospital bed having worked yourself excessively in the pursuit of your goals.

[Sanguine Miasma]

My IEI sister is totally capable being around very smelly cat poop on litter box even when she is in the same room. It is like.. I might not notice it at first but when it enters into my consiousness.

[Cerelict]

who the fuck would want to use si when they value se lmao

[inumbra]

i've thought of myself as Si role for years before i made socionics even more complicated in my mind.

general reasons that are very simple:

i don't notice discomfort until it's like screaming discomfort - although this is mainly when i'm sitting (which is most of the time). i identify with my mind and thoughts, and i'm happiest in the world of my mind. i loved writing long papers in college so i could thoroughly express my thoughts on a topic. i feel best with a lot of time to myself for introspection and can really entertain myself all day in my mind (although i usually need a way to interact with something - which is why like many of the masses, i love the internet).

when i'm walking from point a to point b i may experience some sort of exhaustion that i want to get away from, and sometimes it is so bad i can't not notice it (i think i'm really out of shape). but i'm not really good at noticing my levels of exhaustion or energy or whatever, and will just go back into my mind rather than try to manage it as i'm not sure really what to do with it. but i don't feel like i'm Si DS because i don't want help with it? or do i? (also i feel like i'm more aware of the screaming discomfort than 1D Si? i can compare to people irl who i think are Si DS or Si PoLR.)

anyway the states i am concerned about and do worry about are all mental states. i identify strongly with my thoughts and ability to generate insight and will notice if my thoughts are less dense (i hate any medication that turns my brain off unless it's for sleep; and i feel like i'm dying if my thoughts have too much space between them, as i've felt before when severely depressed).

but i kind of began looking at this sort of thing as being a mental person > a physical one. so i began wondering if there is a cerebral version of Si.

i know people who will stop to smell the flowers and enjoy watching a river flow or something (not just for a moment, but like being totally enraptured by it), and to me this is kind of a waste of time. but i can appreciate beauty, it's just not that all beauty is "out there."

any time i try to talk about this sort of thing i feel like i more or less fail. it never reads quite right.

[Moonbeaux Rainfox]

I am trying to develop my role Si [...]

Dunno if it's still a topic for you, but maybe this could help?

http://reichandlowentherapy.org/Content/Vegetative/sympathetic_shift.html
http://reichandlowentherapy.org/Content/Vegetative/ventral_shift.html
http://reichandlowentherapy.org/Content/Goals/grounding.html

Read myself through it this morning and it helped me understanding some things better... regarding myself and people close to me.

[Suz]

in SEIs:


in SLIs:


in SEEs:


in SLEs:


Basically, -valuing types are more likely to find relaxed and unchallenging environment rather unpleasant and perhaps boring.

Where are these excerpts from?

[Subteigh]

Where are these excerpts from?

They're from the main profile descriptions (for each type) of wikisocion.org.

[Suz]

kind of a related question here --

what's the difference between the physicality involved in Se versus Si? i.e. reaching out and touching another person....

[Aylen]

kind of a related question here --

what's the difference between the physicality involved in Se versus Si? i.e. reaching out and touching another person....

Edit: Now I think I know how you meant it. You mean the difference in how they physically will touch you? I misread.

I saw this earlier.

Introverted Sensation (Si) tunes you in to the chaos, unpredictability, and unknowability of the concrete world, leading you to value whatever few signs you can find that have stable meaning. For example, the stripes of tabby cats might hold a particular meaning for you, and you might come to treasure that. As an epistemological perspective, Si leads you to view anything from outside a familiar context as dangerous and untrustworthy. You are in tune with the fact that nearly all possibilities lead to destruction. For example, if you're designing an airplane, nearly all combinations of the variables fail. Of the possible combinations of wingspan, wing placement, wing shape, fuselage shape, and so on, there is only a tiny subset that make an aerodynamically workable plane--and then only if you get a whole lot of other things just right, too. All of life is like that, only much more complicated. We live only in the small islands of the world that we've grown up with and are suited to us. And we can't possibly know why these small islands are relatively safe. As an ethical perspective, Si leads you to protect the integrity of the things and signs that we depend on. This usually takes the form of setting up barriers against the unpredictable. For example, saving for a rainy day (hardships come at unpredictable times) or inspecting buildings for fire safety (so people can trust that "being inside a building" is a sign of safety against the elements). Within these barriers, where all is trustworthy and familiar, we can survive and enjoy what is precious to us--for a while.

Extraverted Sensation (Se) makes sense of the world by attending to what exists concretely here and now, and trusting your instincts. As an epistemological perspective, Se leads you to believe only in what you can see and experience concretely, and to trust your immediate, gut-level responses to it. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then it's a duck. Whatever a sign means is obvious and inescapable; if a sign's meaning is not obvious, then it's meaningless. Whatever is physical, immediate, gut-level cannot be faked and must be right. For example, if you sense that someone is up to no good, then you trust that sense. If you have an impulse to paint the town red, then you go out and do so. As an ethical perspective, Se leads you to believe that life is to be lived right now, "in the moment", responding to things immediately and without thought. What matters most in life is what makes the biggest perceivable impact, whatever stands out in a way that can't be ignored. Se leads you to develop a persona that is attractive and "hip" according to the conventions of your society and your time--to go with the flow without stopping to question the direction. If something isn't fun, then don't do it.

[Beautiful sky]

Edit: Now I think I know how you meant it. You mean the difference in how they physically will touch you? I misread.

I saw this earlier.

Would you please link me to these descriptions by pm thank you

[HotSauce]

Se feels like:

"I know how to do what needs to be done right now. You just do this this and this"
"I can do that"
"I know how to get that task done"
"I've never done that before, but I am sure I can figure it out"
"If you want ABC, why don't you just do XYZ and be done with it already?"
Bewildered look (listening to a conversation that leads to nowhere because I can't understand what the person is asking me to do right now)

Like, I have a sister...likely ISTP... if she needs something, she will just dance around the subject and it drives me nuts. She will call me from my house and say "Hey, my stomach is really hurting because I'm hungry...but I need to be on the other side of town in 30 minutes...but you have leftovers in your fridge...but I was thinking about stopping at 7-11 for some chips if you are going to eat them later...where are you now? Are you gonna be there a while?

And I'm like, "Huh? What exactly are you asking me?" and then she will say "I was wondering if I can have the leftovers in your fridge and then can you give me a ride across town?" and I'm like "Duhh. Of course, why didnt you just say so"

I really just need to know what the heck I need to do so I can decide if I feel like doing it or not.