I actually find 2D Fe isn't that badOriginally Posted by Satan
lack of fe
Yeahh!heh, i dunno, i think they can use their Fe up on the ISTj
I actually find 2D Fe isn't that badlack of fe
Yeahh!heh, i dunno, i think they can use their Fe up on the ISTj
Haha thanks, but I am not seriously "pursuing" any LSI at this moment.Good luck to you tooI mean, if you have your eyes on one right now
The ExEs are too busy doing (Fe) stuff with real people in the real world to bother checking up on this thread.
What's the real world?The ExEs are too busy doing (Fe) stuff with real people in the real world to bother checking up on this thread.
Seriously, these days it seems that most people are on the internet
ExEs can certainly find social engagement on the internet, why not. It's not inconceivable for ExEs to find themselves separated from their social networks for whatever reason (moving, new job, other people moved away, not being around ppl they have much in common with, etc), which would be an unbearable thing for them to take in solitude pending establishment of a new social network.
Those of you who are younger (high school, college aged, early-mid 20s) may not have this perspective yet, as society sort of hands everyone a built in source of real life social networking in the form of "school" and soon after graduating from whatever it is, it's still quite easy to be in touch with that social network for some time. Going further into adulthood, it gets harder to do, as people start to marry off and/or get busy with their full time jobs and/or families, and over time you may start having less in common, etc. If you yourself are also transitioning frequently, it takes time to find your new social group in your new milieu. In the meantime, a social network on the internet can be a temporary/partial substitute, and even a source of new IRL friends. I've personally made a few IRL friends from here.
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Yeah... I also find myself instinctively acting this way around guys i'm attracted to.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
My comment on ExEs was a bit facetious.
Of course there are ExE online. However, it is predominately Introverted Intuitive types that murk in those Typology forums. Partly because it is more "natural" for them to do so, being introverted and liking abstract theoretical stuff.
Hence it takes a bit longer for an Extrovert and/or Sensor to enter this scene. Not saying they never do, but it is just less common in general, in comparison to the Introverted Intuitive types.
Aka, the most likely to be(come) part of such Forums, in this order:
INxx
ENxx / ISxx (depends on the individual and lifestyle)
ESxx
you know, i actually wondered about this .. maybe Se types (or other types?) sense all these energies all along, and it's just me with my 'flat' perception of things who misses out all the cool stuff. sometimes Fe creative like a glow emanating from the face when they genuinely smile about something. but otherwise, nope, i don't perceive energies often. (however, i feel whether something is draining, or energising etc ... i perceive the effect on myself, but i don't actually "see" where it is coming from.)can you not feel energy in everyone? i find most people haev dark sucking energies.
i'm not sure what a strong physical presence is.
kids usually have cleaner energy. (until something goes wrong)
i feel energy mostly with people below the solar plexus - more like navel/sacral/whatever.
now i wonder what kind of energies you pick up
LSI for sure, very different from ILIs. what i meant is independent from sociotype, i've seen SLIs, ESIs, etc ... like this. they often are in academia and very dry and intellectual (i think it also might heavily dependent on the specific academic culture in my country) and they fight with words, words, words under a specific framework they are operating under. i like their contributions, but it can be draining in personal interaction, especially since their system is so closed. it's unrelated from stacking and sociotype.
haha, thanks! but i have no specific plans (yetGood luck
I don't do this either so it's not Seyou know, i actually wondered about this .. maybe Se types (or other types?) sense all these energies all along, and it's just me with my 'flat' perception of things who misses out all the cool stuff. sometimes Fe creative like a glow emanating from the face when they genuinely smile about something. but otherwise, nope, i don't perceive energies often. (however, i feel whether something is draining, or energising etc ... i perceive the effect on myself, but i don't actually "see" where it is coming from.)
now i wonder what kind of energies you pick up
Very different from ILI how? I sometimes take my time to be able to separate them from each other when typing someone so I'm curiousLSI for sure, very different from ILIs. what i meant is independent from sociotype, i've seen SLIs, ESIs, etc ... like this. they often are in academia and very dry and intellectual (i think it also might heavily dependent on the specific academic culture in my country) and they fight with words, words, words under a specific framework they are operating under. i like their contributions, but it can be draining in personal interaction, especially since their system is so closed. it's unrelated from stacking and sociotype.
Why SLE-Tihaha, thanks! but i have no specific plans (yetAgain, you know I'm into that topic
Are you asking how LSI's are different from ILI's? LSI's are warmer, friendlier, better adjusted (or seem to be), more open, they smile and laugh more readily (as if the world held a great joke) and they are instantly very likable. I have very good friends who are ILI, but they are colder and more analytic, and smile and laugh only rarely.
I was reminded of these characteristics just today. I met and sat across from an LSI at dinner, and even though we both brought dinner companions (hers more permanent than mine), she and I did most of the talking and had a great time. At least, until mine stood up and indicated she was ready to leave. (In retrospect, that probably didn't turn out as well as it should have.)
Now that you mention it i don't always "see" energy... emotional energy sometimes i can feel, and underestimate the effect that it is having on me.you know, i actually wondered about this .. maybe Se types (or other types?) sense all these energies all along, and it's just me with my 'flat' perception of things who misses out all the cool stuff. sometimes Fe creative like a glow emanating from the face when they genuinely smile about something. but otherwise, nope, i don't perceive energies often. (however, i feel whether something is draining, or energising etc ... i perceive the effect on myself, but i don't actually "see" where it is coming from.)
now i wonder what kind of energies you pick up
That said there's different ways of being... there's coming into a foreign environment and picking up various energys in an environment, and there's being enmeshed in an environment and accustomed to it. People who are on different wavelengths to you can seem foreign and alien etc. Whereas people on more similar wavelengths seem more familiar.
I don't smile much. But somehow I still come across as Fe-seeking?
But yeah - physical is different from energy - and there's different kinds of energies -
Like if someone smiles and you're looking at them you may notice, but if you're not looking at them you may not notice. Whereas energy you can still notice if not looking. (even looking is complicated; in that you can be looking at one thing and pick up things in peripherial vision etc.
I kind of assume most people are draining, but I'm not sure why. There are lots of positive happy people...
Anyway with draining people (so most people) it makes sense to keep some distance. Whereas energising people can come closer. That said I think I'd rather keep people at a distance for the most part, cos most people are just a hinderance. But you can keep people at a distance by being nice, as it creates a kind of veneer and keeps intensity lower.
And I wonder if it's because I generally keep people at a bit of a distance that things like energy are clearer - as when everything's up close, then things can get a little more distorted.
Anyway, energy is a malleable thing - and just because someone has an energy signature in one instance doesn't mean it's going to stay the same - and shifting peoples energy is a thing.
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All your stuff here is foreign to me, lol
I don't find people draining by default, as objects in a crowd, fine. If I have to interact with them, anyone's fine for a short while. Afterwards only if I find them interesting. All the other people will be draining but not because of these energy stuffs
Hmm well I'm friendly and responsive but I don't laugh all the time on my own. Guess this is only partially related to type. Other people can put me in a good enough mood for it though
Exactly. With the right conversation partner, LSI's do brighten up and laugh. But unlike ILI's, they are almost there already.
Remember, one of the signature functions of LIE's is to respond to a very pessimistic ESI and bring her out of her depths of pessimism and doubt. We do that the way most people breath, without thinking about it, 24/7. We project unbounded optimism and fix the problem, especially when we see someone who is looking too serious.
It is not a coincidence that two LIE's, myself and @Narc, were the first to respond to this thread on how to court an ISTj.
Fe-seeking vs Fe PoLR, basically.
LSI's actually desire good hearty laughs, whereas ILI's can be rather wary/suspicious of them.
mmhmm, good hearty laughs. my favourite.
Make your interest in the ISTj obvious
Don't show interest in other dating prospects
Show that you are reliable
Show you are serious and not just playing the field
Give the ISTj no reason to question your intentions
Don't break their heart
MAKE THEM LAUGH AND BREAK DOWN THEIR WALL... if you can do that you're in.
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
There is this one LSI guy who seems to follow this one formula with me! Not exactly, but similarly. In that manner, an LSI might court someone similarly to how they want to get courted themselves, to some degree.
This seems so narcissistic, but I'll have to quote myself to make my point, haha:
Realize that you're dealing with a dense emotional idiot with intimacy issues who needs everything spelled out for them or they throw a tantrum...and go find a SLE instead.
Are you talking to me? Haha.
Even after having studied Socionics, I don't believe I can find happiness with an SLE only.
LSI is still a good option for IEI.
Welcome back, bastard...
Why hello there my lovely bad bitch. Missed me I see.
Works both sides, my lovely. Cheers.
Exactly!
LSI-Se 836 Sp/Sx
You really DID meessshhhh meeee??! oh joyyyyy.
Thanks for all the wonderful feedback!
Although, I discovered that my suspected ISTj was actually an ESTp logical subtype, which originally appeared as an ISTj.
That's why I accidentally forgot about this threadso I want to again thank everyone who responded, and I will most definitely use this advice if I ever choose to court an ISTj later on.
Theoretically should be a good option, I hear from IEI's that it doesn't work out in practice, tho'.
How did you decide on SLE-Ti > LSI for the type? Just curious.Thanks for all the wonderful feedback!
Although, I discovered that my suspected ISTj was actually an ESTp logical subtype, which originally appeared as an ISTj.
That's why I accidentally forgot about this thread
What type(s) work(s) in practice, then? Not all IEI's are with their Dual (I'd say most aren't.)
Don't know, it obviously depends on many things. Just noted this trend..What type(s) work(s) in practice, then? Not all IEI's are with their Dual (I'd say most aren't.)
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That's not type related.
But yeah, that doesn't sound like fun, regardless of type.
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She seeks out social and emotional environments, so Fe, but behaves like an introvert, so Fe inferior.
The logical subtype of ESTp described her very well. I think most ESTps are stereotyped as the sensory subtype, which led me to never suspect her as an ESTp.
The individual comes from a well and educated family, which I suspected instilled and promoted her Ti at a younger age. The reason why I mistaken her as an ISTj.
Tend to occupy a “wait and see attitude” as they are prone to doubt others feelings towards them. Their emotional expression may appear somewhat forced as they prefer to await the initiative of others; afterwards are tender and attentive with an aim of improving sexual techniques. Internally are sentimental; love uncommon adventures. Not quick to forget past offences. Have need of someone reasonable, flexible and diplomatic. Their partner should be affectionate, attractive, merry and optimistic.
This also explained a lot of my confusion.
I see you also retyped yourself
Some of the SLE-Ti stuff fits me too. SLE-Ti still has creative use of Ti however instead of creative Se, that's a way to differentiate it from LSI-Se. (If this is too abstract, let me know I'm happy to explain more.)
Thanks, I looked up creative Ti description, but not much information appeared. http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/i...on_elements/TiI see you also retyped yourself
Some of the SLE-Ti stuff fits me too. SLE-Ti still has creative use of Ti however instead of creative Se, that's a way to differentiate it from LSI-Se. (If this is too abstract, let me know I'm happy to explain more.)
Could you explain how creative Ti manifests in an individual compared to leading Ti?
Yes, I did. ENFj never truly fit my type, but I believe I was biased prior in my earlier decision.
I also met two individuals during the summer who I consistently enjoy interacting with, later learned that both are ESFp (subtype unknown). Semi-duality still is great, although have never experienced opposite gender duality yet. I believe I have met male ESTps during sports, but due to competition/testosterone, I think it does not pose an accurate representation of INFp & ESTp duality.
I am definitely not INTp. I have a father who is a tested INTp (do not relate with). I believe my grandfather is a stereotypical ISTj (average relations), thus further persuades me that I am not an ENFj. My mother screams ISFp.
I also tested as an INFJ in MBTI.
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Ti has longer descriptions.
Creative Ti is more playful and situation dependent with Ti.Could you explain how creative Ti manifests in an individual compared to leading Ti?
I checked this thread again for something and noticed this which makes more sense to me now than back then:
That's where Duality with actual Fe base works for them. Mirage with an LIE like Bain is will mean the Ethics functions don't match up and furthermore, they can't help out each other's weak Ethics functions and the relationship will remain too cold, with some conflicts despite the initial strong attraction. This is exactly my experience too from the other side having been with an LIE-Ni before.
Might be it works a bit better when the LIE is the female party and the LSI is the male one. I'm not sure on this one.
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