Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
I didn't expect anything. I answered a question.
also I think not focussing on motives will blind you to the world. But that's a choice I guess.

(...) Maybe I AM Fe and she's Ne
Haha uh I think you are Ne ego alright. Now I'll leave you go on your own way while I go on mine (in terms of our communication difficulties)


Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
Yes. (I don't think the comparison to Radio is relevant in this thread, since I see differences between him & Maritsa. But I see both you & darya have mentioned him in this thread, so I'll answer your question anyway). In my opinion there is no way Radio is EII. There is no Ne. I had made the argument before for him as ESI. He seems to be paranoid and interpret what others say about him as a personal attack, somewhat Ne-PoLR-esque, even when no personal attacks are being made. He likes to be in control, and he lacks understanding multiple perspectives or seeing the potentiality in things. Consider his stance even in the thread about life outside planet Earth. Nearly everything he says reeks of Ne-PoLR imo. There is no way he's EII, that I'm sure of. He may be something other than ESI, and I'm not 100% sure, but I really don't see him as EII.
Actually, I saw that thread and he seemed to be able to take into account more variables than you did with that statistics. This may or may not be type related.


To clarify your Ti-observance of my use of the word "generally" - my experience with EIIs who disagree with someone or something is that they tend to withdraw from them. They are masters of emotional distance.
Yes, Maritsa does that a lot. She sets boundaries quite clearly.


Everywhere. How are you defining Fe and Ne?
Augusta's definitions, mainly. Show me examples of where you think Maritsa deliberately affects things in the Fe sense instead of Fi.


Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
on the comments about Radio: it's interesting that people have commented on their similarities, and that he believes himself and Maritsa to be identicals, i didn't know that. Radio is someone whose type i never felt was "obviously" EII either. i've wondered about other types for him (and didn't he consider Beta NF for himself before?) either way, saying that Maritsa is similar to Radio isn't at all a strong argument for her EII-ness, but it does seem like a useful piece of info.

i'm not an expert but i understand the Reinins well enough i think, lol. i'm not a newbie to socionics and understand that that there is more to the dichotomies than the general understanding of the names might imply. whether we agree on how useful they are, or how they might manifest, is another issue. i don't use Reinins on their own, they are more useful to me when considering them with other socionics-related observations. IMO sometimes certain Reinin traits are very obvious in some people, other times not.

Maritsa has been a member on this forum for years, so i've observed a lot of her behavior, and that is why i made the comments that i did - i didn't just throw them out there based on some random cursory impressions. call me wishy-washy, but i think that there are good arguments to be made for various types for Maritsa. if you don't agree that anything about her behavior can be attributed to being Fe, Decisive, Obstinate, or whatever, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. i'll just repeat again that i think Maritsa has some NTR personality traits and behaviors that are probably contributing to how people type her. personally, i think if her being EII was so obvious, we wouldn't have such heated debates like this; this is not the first time people have hotly debated her type. and the fact that so many Delta NFs here see inconsistencies between themselves and Maritsa shouldn't be so easily dismissed either.
We don't disagree on much really, I'm well aware of how there are always some non-socionical factors at play for anyone, not just Maritsa. I am sure some behavioural aspects about Maritsa *can* be attributed to whatever Reinins but that on its own is rather meaningless. I'm not worried about Maritsa not being a simple EII stereotype, this also does not mean she cannot be EII.

Oh and beta NF for Radio, well, I heard the EIE typing brought up for Radio before and I seriously tried to consider it but eventually I ended up at "no, not EIE".

All in all, I really do not see why it's so hard to understand that people of the same type are going to present very differently in terms of concrete traits as type is to be strictly determined by variables of information processing. If it's easier then please just consider there are only 16 types and 7 billion people. Do you expect them to be all that similar. You = general you, actually.


Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
As for you…if in the future you happen to take some sense and find yourself either an SEE or IEE and you end up in a happy relationship and come begging for my forgiveness I won't be at all surprised. as for now I'm not going to talk to you any more because you're going on a crazy person rampage because I don't type you EII.
Lol you assume motives in a fashion similar to how @Subteigh does it. Looking for personal motives instead of impersonal reasoning.