IEI-Ni, DCNH-H, 4w5-9w1-5w4, sx/sp, Aquarius sun, Leo rising
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"From their lives, and not least from their greatest fault--their inability to communicate--we may understand one of the greatest errors of our civilization, that is, the superstitious belief in verbal statements, the boundless overestimation of instruction by means of words and methods."--C.G. Jung on the introverted irrational types
OK, @weirdleftovers, it has been a while but I finally got back there. The SLE saw me the minute I stepped through the door (even before I saw him - the guy is Se to the max) and greeted me "Adam! Good to see you again!" I glanced around for the IEI and found her on his far side. She wasn't waitressing, but is now hosting and taking phone orders. The SLE was too busy to talk, but I watched them working together, and they were like a well-oiled machine, just a continuous and easy flow of information between them, and both of them seemed happier than I've seen either of them before. Just slightly so, but definitely happier.
I wish I had more info, but that will have to wait until I talk to the SLE at length. In the meantime, they do kind of look like an odd couple. She looks friendly but remote, as if her brain is parked and ticking away in another dimension. She has enormous glasses and looks a bit like @Fay with a pageboy cut, and he looks like a collision between an extremely good looking guy (good bones), a tattooed biker guy, and has a hint of an extra from Battlefield Earth. I think he has a ponytail this week, but it changes a lot. He's in his 30's, but is already losing his hair, probably due to too much testosterone. When he moves, he just cuts a swath through the air, while she seems like she wants to retreat, but when she has to advance, considers her target and kind of pounces.
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The Americans (FX); the female protagonist is LSI-Ti and the male lead is Fe-ENFj; if anyone wants to see the detriments or evils of the demonstrative (the downfall) see Elizabeth's Si demonstrative in action.
I think Keri Russell and Matthew Rhys are also beta duals IRL, although Keri could be Fi-ESI but Matthew is defintiely Fe-EIE.
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Daredevil, Ni-INFp (1w2-6w5-2w3 sx/so) and Elektra, Se-ESTp (7w8-2w3-8w9 sx/so) ; great demonstration of victim-aggressor dynamics and interplay between Fi-demonstrative and Te-demonstrative:
Somehow this reminds me more of Delta Duality (or rather Activity).
Especially the first pic looks like the female employing something random, out of the norm thing – levitating (Ne ego), and her partner finds that surprising/secretly amusing (Ne seeking or HA).
Just my thoughts. I don't exactly see how those pics display an Aggressor-Victim dynamic, or anything Beta related.
I get more Childlike-Caretaker vibes from this... @Maritsa, what do yo think?
@SisOfNight, I agree about the Caregiver-Childlike dynamic. Wallis Simpson looks very Delta to me. In fact, in the second picture, she looks very much like my LSE mother. Very similar expression, very similar eyes, while Prince Edward VIII looks ILE to me. (In the first picture, I can't tell which type he is.)
In the second picture, I imagine her to be thinking "You are so smart, I'm proud of you and I'm going to be taking care of you." while he is thinking "Now that my back is covered, I'm finally free to be my impish, devilish self."
LSI girl - EIE guy ?
The way she balances his Fe/Ne so that the performance doesn't become a huge mess is pretty damn cool.
The synergy is incredible.
When he runs to her
(I feel old, lol)
Charlies 2w3-7w6-9w8 (??) Fe-EIE so/sx (definitely) // Dani Ti-ISTj 6w5 - 4w5- 8/1 (??) sx/sp (yusss)
So I have a weakness for shows where the EIE is a guy and the LSI is a lady (eg The Americans); maybe it's because EIE are my quasis and their duals look like my duals from a distance. Anywho, I loved, loved this show. It, like other good Ti based shows (eg Crazy ExGirlfriend shrugs), had seamless writing and despite being cancelled in season 2, it ended pretty perfectly. The show was Beta-ish (the values of Fe-Ti connectivity; the heroism that can be found in Ni-Se). It also had the rare sx/sp fictional characters; my instinctual subtype, needless to say, is not easily found in fiction. Dani/Charlie had loyalty between themselves and you could see the seamless flow of information from one to the other; their work was well coordinated and heartwarming.
This scene is one of many favourites:
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Just want to comment on this, not the other stuff thats between you and Adam. Lots of young 20 something's do loose their hair when taking steroids, its kind of a side effect. Not only young guys either, older guys have the same issue. Its because testosterone molecule metabolizes into DHT, effecting the hair follicle. This is genetically determined, so if you have the hair loss predisposition, it will be accelerated by the addition of extra testosterone. Some high T people do have a male pattern baldness look to them.
Although you might be right regardless, because again it comes down to genetics and how they are influenced by hormones. My siblings are all loosing their hair and I am not at all so, gulp, fingers crossed.
OK, why the heck are almost all the beta duality pictures on this thread SLE warrior dudes and IEI dreamy magical women? That's definitely beta artwork but as a dynamic I find that a bit repetitive. I want to see a picture of what people think an EIE and LSI look like together. I guess no one cares about the Js because they're too rigid or whatever Also people tend to be overwhelmingly picking male extraverts and female introverts. I didn't think gender had any correlation with introversion or extraversion, although the last graphic I saw did have it have a weak correlation with logical vs. ethical types.
I do think any picture with a knight and a princess is a male Victim/female Aggressor themed picture though. I mean, Knight and Princess are often terms I use in my own idiosyncratic way to refer to the Victim and Aggressor relationships since Victim and Aggressor imply some sort of Dom/Sub thing sexually that I don't really see playing out at all. The way I understand Victim was "wants someone to love abstractly" and Aggressor was "wants someone to abstractly love them" from the descriptions. (Infantile and Caregiver would be "wants someone to love concretely" and "wants someone to concretely love them" according to the same logic. That's actually really intuitive once you think about it in terms of Intuition vs. Sensing and Dynamic vs. Static, with the Statics viewing love as a static state regarding the other partner, and Dynamics as a dynamic state. It seems somehow that the people you're supposed to romance are probably not people you'd get along with at all personally? That's weird.)
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This seem to be the theme
Yes, and no one cares about EIEs or LSIs.
I am pretty sure at a social event once I've talked to a couple who was an SLE woman and an IEI man. I mean, she looked pretty athletic and he looked like a hippy and they were definitely betas.
SLE & IEI?
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I have a few images here.
(Yes, I'm typing at EIE now. Bite me )
Sociotype: EIE
Psyche Yoga: VEFL
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Goddess Archetype: Artemis
Zodiac: Taurus(☼)Scorpio(↑) Capricorn (☾)
Slytherin/Horned Serpent
Chaotic Good
All of those images are very Type 4, and while I like them, I don't think they actually represent Beta Duality.
The men seem to be valuing, and I get the impression this might fit into Gamma Duality better.
(Or at least it seems like most of the people are Gammas or Gamma with Beta, not necessarily Gamma Duality.)
Ofc not all SLEs are male and buff, and not all IEIs are female, but it is certainly much easier to find images of those archetypes, than the opposite.
It is not a matter of me not recognizing female SLEs or whatever, it is a matter of simply hardly finding any artwork of such couples.
I did find an EIE-LSI example, and a male IEI-female SLE example, and an example of an SLE-Ti dude who is not buff.
But I suppose you just ignored all those.
I don't see how the conclusion must be that that the romance styles are incompatible, or in your words "probably not people you'd get along with at all personally".
When someone wants to love abstractly, and the other wants to be loved abstractly, then both halves fit together perfectly, no?
I suppose you are assuming the best kind of compatibility is amongst people who want the exact same thing.
For example, both people wanting to love abstractly or being loved abstractly.
Following that, Identity relationships would probably be ideal for you.
And to be fair, the best relations in Socionics are technically Duality and Identity.
If you want a complement, Duality is the way to go. If you want someone like you, Identity is the way to go.
I took it as the blonde girl being IEI and the troublemaker being SLE. The troublemaker is shown as 'not a good girl', is my guess, which could imply Se-dom carelessness wrt acting 'ladylike'. She would fit the SLE stereotype of strong-headed and the blonde the stereotype of introverts not feeling good enough for extroverts, and of feeling the pull towards 'Se' but not knowing what to do with it, especially if she's never met a dual before.
The work has more to do with 'good, conservative person meets rebellious, bad person and they balance each other out'. An ESTx-INFx archetype, afaik.
Reason is a whore.
I'm not going to seriously type drawn characters, but there is a certain archetype, @GuavaDrunk got it.
IEI's are not the picture of good and conservative though. While they're usually quite gentle and reserved in demenour, I wouldn't describe them as prudish and conservative at all - and in all describtions they are described as quite rebelious, looking for stimulation, often reckless, quickly bored and agressive/manipulative with people they're closed to (when they don't get their way). They certainly have a bite of an angsty teenager and are familiar with the dark side - far from pristine creatures.
That said, the blonde girl could be SEI and the black girl gamma introvert - which ofc doesn't make any sense.
Whether they are type 4 or not is up for debate honestly.
But, how do they show Gamma duality and exactly? I notice a similar theme with my images as most of the others posted here. I see more of an male aggressor and a female victim in these. I actually deleted a couple of them as I saw they were already posted before.
Sociotype: EIE
Psyche Yoga: VEFL
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Goddess Archetype: Artemis
Zodiac: Taurus(☼)Scorpio(↑) Capricorn (☾)
Slytherin/Horned Serpent
Chaotic Good
Sociotype: EIE
Psyche Yoga: VEFL
~~
Goddess Archetype: Artemis
Zodiac: Taurus(☼)Scorpio(↑) Capricorn (☾)
Slytherin/Horned Serpent
Chaotic Good