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    Quote Originally Posted by spritelite View Post
    This @SisOfNight is the closest to an IEI on this thread as I experience them.
    Huh? I don't get it, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega View Post
    All IEIs are redhead with green eyes, all LSIs are absolutely gorgeous black haired women, SLE women are mostly blond haired with "don't fuck with me but love me" attitude, EIE are normal women, they blend in the pack. This theory is as accurate as socionics I'd say :-D (but srsly, all IEIs are redheads with green eyes)
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    As an aside, I find a lot of the pictures posted here irritating, because they denote a lot of woman-shaped things being passive, or otherwise using subtle, gentle approaches, instead of more direct/blunt methods. I see this stuff around me all the time in everyday life and it's frustrating to see it replicated here because I don't relate to it (but get implicitly told irl that I should).

    That being said I also like Aylen's avatar and its associated interpretations. Hadn't looked at it closely enough to notice tones of equal watchfulness in both agents, rather than just some fairy being cornered. (Feel free to take me to task for that )

    As an example, in the following picture you can note that the woman's fingers are holding the man's head fairly firmly, in a position she likes. His hand on her back is not directing anything. That for me relates to Ti-Base/Fe-Base duality (or just Ej-Ij? Initially thought Ni-Cre/Se-Cre, but not sure. Local ENTj/ISFjs: any input?) in the case where the extravert bounces/charges off in a certain direction or activity, and the introvert follows. The introvert enables a discharge of vigorous, challenging energy by a sort of implicit promise that they will endure it faithfully. However while they indeed endure, they obviously also have limits and needs of their own, and this indirectly curbs the energy discharge before it flares out of both parties' control and/or destroys something important.

     
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    This feels incomplete and the last two paragraphs are likely just me rather than standard duality, but I'm not sure what else to add atm. Maybe's it's just people-related. *sigh*

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    As an aside, I find a lot of the pictures posted here irritating, because they denote a lot of woman-shaped things being passive, or otherwise using subtle, gentle approaches, instead of more direct/blunt methods. I see this stuff around me all the time in everyday life and it's frustrating to see it replicated here because I don't relate to it (but get implicitly told irl that I should).
    Hm, most of the pictures here have depicted IEI women. They are the most "Victim" of all types, so it is normal for them to rather be characterized as being more gentle and passive.
    EIE women could be more assertive in comparison, being extroverts. Perhaps you could enlighten us on that issue and post more female EIE - LSI pictures.
    Personally, I am still not exactly sure myself what EIE-LSI duality "looks" like, given it seems to be a rather rare and uncommonly depicted combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    Hm, most of the pictures here have depicted IEI women. They are the most "Victim" of all types, so it is normal for them to rather be characterized as being more gentle and passive.
    EIE women could be more assertive in comparison, being extroverts. Perhaps you could enlighten us on that issue and post more female EIE - LSI pictures.
    Personally, I am still not exactly sure myself what EIE-LSI duality "looks" like, given it seems to be a rather rare and uncommonly depicted combo.
    Makes sense @bolded. Keeping an eye out for more EIE-LSI stuff.

    Repost from @silke in the "Socionics and relationships from personal experience of an LSI (translation)" thread, post 26:

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuavaDrunk View Post
    As an aside, I find a lot of the pictures posted here irritating, because they denote a lot of woman-shaped things being passive, or otherwise using subtle, gentle approaches, instead of more direct/blunt methods. I see this stuff around me all the time in everyday life and it's frustrating to see it replicated here because I don't relate to it (but get implicitly told irl that I should).

    That being said I also like Aylen's avatar and its associated interpretations. Hadn't looked at it closely enough to notice tones of equal watchfulness in both agents, rather than just some fairy being cornered. (Feel free to take me to task for that )

    As an example, in the following picture you can note that the woman's fingers are holding the man's head fairly firmly, in a position she likes. His hand on her back is not directing anything. That for me relates to Ti-Base/Fe-Base duality (or just Ej-Ij? Initially thought Ni-Cre/Se-Cre, but not sure. Local ENTj/ISFjs: any input?) in the case where the extravert bounces/charges off in a certain direction or activity, and the introvert follows. The introvert enables a discharge of vigorous, challenging energy by a sort of implicit promise that they will endure it faithfully. However while they indeed endure, they obviously also have limits and needs of their own, and this indirectly curbs the energy discharge before it flares out of both parties' control and/or destroys something important.

     
    For me this dynamic rests on a deep promise of passionate *focus* on the other (or Other, if you will) by one or both participants. 'You may be going mad/chasing dreams/processing whatever random emotion just came up, but I'm here and I witness it." "You are driven to possess/exuding a mess of needs/demanding, but there is no-one better than me to withstand and understand that, and live from it." These statements both apply both ways: E -> I and I -> E. It can also express itself in the standard "I will hold you down and fuck you now because I want to ", because when else do you feel more alive than as someone's most urgent desire, than as desiring someone with such focus?

    Now behold: how interesting it becomes to fight with someone, to challenge them and explore their reactions, to poke and prod knowing they're fully capable of equal retaliation, but not knowing if they will choose to retaliate this time. Will you get in, will you be thrown out? Do you want to play, do you want to win today? Who knows!


    This feels incomplete and the last two paragraphs are likely just me rather than standard duality, but I'm not sure what else to add atm. Maybe's it's just people-related. *sigh*

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    I see no one has observed my image enough to comment on it, or like it for instance.

    It is very resplendent of the SLE-IEI duality. The IEI is never really there, it is as a dream.

    Or at least, if they are there, I'd be curious how the SLE makes this the case, perhaps it is my reference as their conflictor.

    The other images, I believe it is representing what you want, rather than what is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spritelite View Post
    I see no one has observed my image enough to comment on it, or like it for instance.

    It is very resplendent of the SLE-IEI duality. The IEI is never really there, it is as a dream.

    Or at least, if they are there, I'd be curious how the SLE makes this the case, perhaps it is my reference as their conflictor.

    The other images, I believe it is representing what you want, rather than what is.
    My IEI friends dual husband said to her "you are my dream woman. It's like my dream has become reality"
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    My IEI friends dual husband said to her "you are my dream woman. It's like my dream has become reality"
    Aww.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    Aww.
    I know. Very sweet. When you are ready to find a dual I hope you too will find the one in your dreams
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I know. Very sweet. When you are ready to find a dual I hope you too will find the one in your dreams
    Haha. If I end up with a dual...

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    Hopefully people are not going to attempt to type themselves or others based on a thread like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Hopefully people are not going to attempt to type themselves or others based on a thread like this.
    It's not that, it's just it seems wrong to put a pic and say "beta duality", it's like I spin a 8 (4 if quadra dual) faced coin and hope it gets the right duality, it doesn't make sens.

    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight
    Te valuing, much? Wrong thread for that, haha.
    Not at all, it's just not right lol, doesn't it hurt your brain to make unverified assumptions with confidence?
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    I'll just keep posting female IEI - male SLE pictures.
    They are the easiest to find. But feel free to post more LSI-EIE pictures!



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    I feel like this could be a female Aggressor - male Victim combination.
    Note his star-struck, surprised, slightly uneasy disposition (his uncertainty in regards to what "to do" seems quite obvious); whereas she "just goes for it".


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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    I feel like this could be a female Aggressor - male Victim combination.
    Note his star-struck, surprised, slightly uneasy disposition (his uncertainty in regards to what "to do" seems quite obvious); whereas she "just goes for it".
    This is the image I used as a background for my website (I took the site down). I had titled my site, "La Belle Dame Sans Merci". I was in a strange emotional/spiritual/mental place then. I used it in part like a blog, but posting like no one was reading, for the most part. Just using it to express my tragedies at the time. lol

    "La Belle Dame sans Merci" (French: "The Beautiful Lady Without Mercy"[1] ) is a ballad written by the English poet John Keats. It exists in two versions, with minor differences between them. The original was written by Keats in 1819. He used the title of the 15th century La Belle Dame sans Mercy by Alain Chartier, though the plots of the two poems are different.[2] The poem is considered an English classic, stereotypical to other of Keats' works. It avoids simplicity of interpretation despite simplicity of structure. At only a short twelve stanzas, of only four lines each, with a simple ABCB rhyme scheme, the poem is nonetheless full of enigmas, and has been the subject of numerous interpretations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    This is the image I used as a background for my website (I took the site down). I had titled my site, "La Belle Dame Sans Merci". I was in a strange emotional/spiritual/mental place then. I used it in part like a blog, but posting like no one was reading, for the most part. Just using it to express my tragedies at the time. lol
    I was so interesfed to see you refer to that poem. I have desceibed a SEE friend as La Belle Dame Sans Merci. She is charming and can be kind if she believes it is the right thing to do. If she does not believe you deserve mercy, and there is no political gain, she will not be merciful.
    You seek a great fortune, you three who are now in chains. You will find a fortune, though it will not be the one you seek.
    But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
    You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
    I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
    Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iris View Post
    I was so interesfed to see you refer to that poem. I have desceibed a SEE friend as La Belle Dame Sans Merci. She is charming and can be kind if she believes it is the right thing to do. If she does not believe you deserve mercy, and there is no political gain, she will not be merciful.
    Is she available for lessons? I could be a bit less merciful. When I had my website up, the person I was not showing mercy to was myself so I played on the theme of the poem. I laid myself bare on it and that is why I took it down. Some of it is embarrassing to look back on. I still keep a few backups of it.

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    I have found a good version of a female Beta ST - male Beta NF couple.
    (Tragic, but accurate...)


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    Another case of ♂ SLE, ♀ IEI.

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    Likely ♀ ST, ♂ NF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink View Post







    I looked at these a few times and for some reason I find this deeply disturbing and confining. I think it triggered something in me and I am trying to work out what. I don't know the story behind it but it creeps me out in a similar way pedophiles creep me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post



    I looked at these a few times and for some reason I find this deeply disturbing and confining. I think it triggered something in me and I am trying to work out what. I don't know the story behind it but it creeps me out in a similar way pedophiles creep me out.
    I think I get what you mean.
    You sense there is a lack of love and respect on the guy's side. He seems to be a heartless abuser. (Btw, there is also a lack of Fe warmth/valuing... perhaps he is actually an Fi valuing introvert. But that is besides the point.)

    Anyways, if you compare those manga pics with the other one I've shown earlier, there is quite a stark contrast. Both guys say "You are mine", but in my example it seems more loving somehow, whereas with that other guy it seems cruel – the girl looks devastated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    I get what you mean.
    You sense there is a lack of love and respect on the guy's side. He seems to be a heartless abuser. There is also a lack of Fe warmth... perhaps he is actually an Fi valuing introvert.
    Anyways, if you compare those manga pics with the other one I've shown earlier, there is quite a stark contrast. Both guys say "You are mine", but in my example it seems more loving somehow, whereas with that other guy it seems cruel – the girl looks devastated...
    Yes, it is conveys "victim" in a very literal sense. Even though this quote is about S&M I think it is insightful into the "victim" romance style as I experience it. I am not into S&M but I understand the mindset maybe but in the lightest sense. I would never want humiliation or real pain.

    "The submissive obeys only because she chooses to. There is nothing compelling her obedience except her resolve. The submissive is, therefore, empowering the dominant by her decision. We call a consensual empowerment of the dominant by the submissive a power exchange. Just as she gave her consent, she can take it away at any time. Power in SM flows from the bottom up."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    Yes, it is conveys "victim" in a very literal sense. Even though this quote is about S&M I think it is insightful into the "victim" romance style as I experience it. I am not into S&M but I understand the mindset maybe but in the lightest sense. I would never want humiliation or real pain.

    "The submissive obeys only because she chooses to. There is nothing compelling her obedience except her resolve. The submissive is, therefore, empowering the dominant by her decision. We call a consensual empowerment of the dominant by the submissive a power exchange. Just as she gave her consent, she can take it away at any time. Power in SM flows from the bottom up."


    - Philip Miller and Molly Devon, http://bit.ly/ScrewTheRosesSendMeTheThorns
    Interesting quote.

    I make a very simple distinction: If both people in the interaction have equal amounts of power, in terms of what can and may be done to the other etc., then it is consensual and a natural, playful Victim-Aggressor interaction. However, if there is one crass imbalance, in that the "dominant" (abuser) has got all the power, there is something wrong – and it is an Abuser-Abused interaction.

    By that standard, I would not even say the consenting submissive is empowering the dominant. Rather, it is an equal power exchange. Though it is true that the submissive/Victim gives out some kind of implicit "allowance" of being handled roughly, indicating they are enjoying and craving it. The term "Victim" can be misleading in that regard, given the Victim actually enjoys being handled roughly, strongly – they like feeling the other's power.

    Whereas with an abused Victim, they cannot do anything against the other's power, and their power actually hurts them and makes them feel bad, and used.

    In short: Victim-Aggressor interaction is mutually beneficial. Abuser-Abused, isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    I looked at these a few times and for some reason I find this deeply disturbing and confining. I think it triggered something in me and I am trying to work out what. I don't know the story behind it but it creeps me out in a similar way pedophiles creep me out.
    agree that it's disturbing. this is because it's depicting some kind of abusive situation - i would not associate it with Beta duality or Victim-Aggressor interactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    agree that it's disturbing. this is because it's depicting some kind of abusive situation - i would not associate it with Beta duality or Victim-Aggressor interactions.
    To Childlikes and Caretakers, normal Victim-Aggressor interactions can look abusive.
    Being a Victim myself, I have very fine antennae when it comes to that kind of stuff. I can sense when a situation is natural Victim-Aggressor, or rather Abuser-Abused...

    Just because someone has a Victim Romance Style does not mean they want to be truly abused...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post


    Just because someone has a Victim Romance Style does not mean they want to be truly abused...
    Speak for yourself.

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    Beta NF healing Beta ST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    i'm pretty sure Luminara Unduli is EII. cool pic though

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    i'm pretty sure Luminara Unduli is EII. cool pic though
    Who is Luminara, haha.
    I don't know who the people are supposed to be in the pic. I was just going by the impression/ "vibe"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    Who is Luminara, haha.
    I don't know who the people are supposed to be in the pic. I was just going by the impression/ "vibe"...
    haha

    the "healing" character in that pic is from Star Wars - she's a Jedi, and appears to be holding a Clone trooper in the pic. even though she's not Beta, it's cool that you recognized her NF vibe, even without knowing who she is.

    /Star Wars nerding out

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    haha

    the "healing" character in that pic is from Star Wars - she's a Jedi, and appears to be holding a Clone trooper in the pic. even though she's not Beta, it's cool that you recognized her NF vibe, even without knowing who she is.

    /Star Wars nerding out
    Ohhhh!
    I've thought you were referring to the other pic.

    I knew that one was from Star Wars, but yeah... I did not know who she exactly was herself, haha.

    I find IEI women are often being associated with healing powers, somehow. I could see IEIs healing their Duals with their minds, if that makes sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SisOfNight View Post
    Who is Luminara, haha.
    I don't know who the people are supposed to be in the pic. I was just going by the impression/ "vibe"...
    oops i was wrong, the character is probably Barriss Offee (Luminara's apprentice). they look similar and might be similar types, but i'm not sure about Barriss' type. anyway

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    This could be a female LSI - male EIE example.



    Homecoming by OmeN2501

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    Obvious male SLE – female IEI pairing, again.


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    I'm trying to look for images

    this is Se/Ni the movie is "Somewhere in time" he agonizes the image or love of her and seeks her somewhere in past time



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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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