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    What is beauty? What is love?
    Beauty? Um, colorful things? Shiny things? Aesthetically pleasing things? Like nice cars I guess, I love those (in a mechanical way). Love's an attraction between two creatures that want to mate. A less edgy explanation would be it's when two people find specific qualities about one another enticing enough to, be, together..? Yeah.
    What are your most important values?
    Don't be prejudiced in your actions towards others. Don't do anything that you know would bring harm to others. Don't put yourself above others.
    Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
    Nope.
    Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
    War's lame, and I don't waste brain cells on it. Armed forces are there because other armed forces are, everything would be easier if people realized what they're throwing away.
    What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
    Anything, really. Game mechanics (video games), Socionics, wrestling (the dumb awesome kind), everything. I've always liked video games, especially Mortal Kombat, Metal Gear, and the older Tom Clancy games. I used to be into WWF/E cause it's ridiculous and campy, and exciting (Even today I can appreciate it). I typically don't watch TV as it's so passive and boring but when I do it's Adult Swim, or Top Gear (Jeremy Clarkson is my spirit animal). Biology is what I'd say if you asked me for a desired job at this point in time. When I was a kid my grandpa gave me medical books to explain his cancer, so I always thought science was cool.
    Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
    I don't like taking medicine, I prefer to let my body deal with it. Now I go to the gym and pay attention to myself, because I dislike being fat and unhealthy. Not worth it.
    What do you think of daily chores?
    Ha, haha, ha. Too lazy to do those. I would if I felt a sense of ownership or responsibility over my environment though. Like if it was my house.
    Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.
    Favorite movies are the ones in the Three Flavors Cornetto trilogy. That British humor. Borat's also pretty funny, vulgar if nothing else. And as trashy as it is I like the Jackass movies, Superbad, all that.
    What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
    Thinking of if I'd be a disappointment to those who built me up and passed. Aside from that, Metal Gear Solid 3, full disclosure. Smile? Everything, everything's funny. Why? Cause being sad's a waste of time to me.
    Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
    Do I have to feel a sense of belonging? Does anyone belong anywhere? No offense. Am I being too arrogant? I hope not. Here, I guess I'd say around my friends, there I'm not worried 'cause I know what's cool and what isn't with everyone.
    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    Too impulsive. Blame it on bad parenting, letting me play and watch all that violence, I was a bad kid, hurt other kids. Now I'm pretty hardline against such things. I dislike my inability to do things I don't wanna do. And my inability to read people. I never know what they really think of me.
    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    Funny? Smart? I do good on tests, like really good, without much effort. I hate when it's brought up though, there's so much more I'm shit at that I'd enjoy being better at a lot more. Sorry about the language.
    In what areas of your life would you like help?
    You know, I don't know. Dealing with people? Calming down? It's not easy to produce an answer to that. I wonder why. Maybe look at the weaknesses? Oh! I know! Being nicer to other people. Sometimes I'm a d*** and I only realize it after the fact. Obviously I regret it then, who'd want to be a d***?
    Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
    Having nothing to do. I get bored and antsy really quick. I react by pacing around my room, asking other people to do things, etc. Or getting increasingly annoyed if all else fails. Listening to loud music can be a good distraction but I have to wonder if it'll be worth it down the line.
    What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?
    I like it when people are nice. I don't like a-holes. I also like smart people, but who doesn't? And that's such a simplified quality. Yeah, I like people who don't ruin the mood, and who have a good sense of humor. Oh and I hate overly controlling people. I get along with everyone, really. I have a reputation for being a coo-coo head due to my attention whoring behavior, and luckily it works across the board. Most people laugh at my savage behavior, so I keep it up to get along with as many as possible.
    How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
    Too young to be concerned with sex, I was a high school child, believe me there are many reasons that's a bad idea in the modern world. In a partner? I want them to compensate for my weaknesses without annoying me. And to entertain me, I like that. They gotta like me, too. I don't know though, honestly I haven't considered it.
    If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
    I'd make sure they weren't prejudiced. Sorry if I'm a broken record but like hell would I let my kid be racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. I'd want to make sure they pursued their own path, not the one I want them to take. It's their life, not mine. Oh and no hitting. Not from them, or from me. Not sure what measures to take, I'd try to interest them in science I guess but if they don't care then they don't care.
    A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
    Sarcastically and arrogantly put down their opinion. Either that or engage them in a discussion about it if it's interesting enough.
    Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
    Long as society provides for me I'll provide for it. People can be many things, no use in blanketing them under one view. A social problem? That's real funny. We've got a lot of those, but you've heard about them a million times already, so I won't waste my breath. Or, like, keystrokes. Yeah.
    How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
    If they like me I like them. I behave normally around closer people, show my real self. I cool down a bit, only go crazy when needed.
    How do you behave around strangers?
    A combination of nutcase and awkward. Shields you from any sort of attack if you look like a lunatic. Now if this is public or someplace you can't act like that, then polite, the usual. Like at restaurants, for example.

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    I'm going to take a stab here and say ILE. I see evidence here of ego, polr, irrationality, devalued , and 1D . Also, doing well on tests like that is, I think, an Alpha NT thing (I can take a test for a subject I've never studied and get like an 80%, so can my ILE dad).
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    That was one of the two I picked between myself, that and SLE, but, I have no idea what the difference between the Se and Ne is. If you don't mind, where's devalued Se in there? And what indicates Ne Ego?

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    Evidence for base:
    Quote Originally Posted by LK4D4 View Post
    What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why? Anything, really. ...
    Quote Originally Posted by LK4D4 View Post
    nutcase
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    Too impulsive.
    Also just the overall feel of your writing. It seems like there's a new thought dragging you in a new direction every 3 seconds.

    Evidence for role:
    Quote Originally Posted by LK4D4 View Post
    War's lame, and I don't waste brain cells on it. Armed forces are there because other armed forces are, everything would be easier if people realized what they're throwing away.
    Quote Originally Posted by LK4D4 View Post
    Ha, haha, ha. Too lazy to do those. I would if I felt a sense of ownership or responsibility over my environment though. Like if it was my house.
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    I dislike my inability to do things I don't wanna do
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    Oh and I hate overly controlling people.
    Some links that may help with understanding the difference between and :
    information elements (I find the "States of mind" section particularly helpful)
    extraverted sensing
    extraverted intuition
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    Quote Originally Posted by tejing View Post
    I'm going to take a stab here and say ILE. I see evidence here of ego, polr, irrationality, devalued , and 1D . Also, doing well on tests like that is, I think, an Alpha NT thing (I can take a test for a subject I've never studied and get like an 80%, so can my ILE dad).
    It could be Ne role. His very first answer in the whole questionnaire sounds like Se and a few other things too.

    I'd like to know more if OP studies for those tests or not. Because that was not clear from his wording. I never needed much time to study compared to most people but that's just due to high intelligence, not due to easily picking up on concepts with Ne. I basically just Ti'd the whole thing and learned all the details of the study material that way. I definitely would not get 80% on tests that I didn't study for (I did study for everything to avoid that issue, though). My LII-Ne friend is just like you too, though. That's some crazy skill from my POV and does sound like an Alpha NT thing in this way.

    Overall, I'm not convinced on ILE but I totally agree on Fe HA. It also does look like that OP is closer to Alpha than to Gamma, so it's ILE or SLE-Ti.

    But, what seemed 1D Si to you?


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    Evidence for base: War's lame, and I don't waste brain cells on it. Armed forces are there because other armed forces are, everything would be easier if people realized what they're throwing away.
    To me this answer seems way too simplistic to be 4D Ne. That question overall is not correlated strongly enough with Se valuing/Se devaluing to use it as evidence for anything. Though the part about people realizing what they're throwing away does sound out of touch in reality in a way that could point towards Ne>Se. That, or OP didn't think this through too much.

    The nutcase thing: again too ambiguous.

    The impulsivity: EP or NTR.

    Ha, haha, ha. Too lazy to do those. I would if I felt a sense of ownership or responsibility over my environment though. Like if it was my house.
    The second part actually sounds Se to me.

    I dislike my inability to do things I don't wanna do
    General Irrational temperament. Depending on further specifics, it can be Se role.

    Oh and I hate overly controlling people.
    Who wants to be overly controlled?

    Also just the overall feel of your writing. It seems like there's a new thought dragging you in a new direction every 3 seconds.
    EP temperament.


    @LK4D4

    Please tell me more on how you did so well on tests without effort. Also tell me about what other things you are shit at that you'd like to be better at. Also describe how you are a nutcase around people.

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    Sorry in advance for how long this is, feel free to skim or ignore it. Not that you'd need my permission.

    Sir yes sir, sorry if I take too long. I do well on tests because, well, I'm not sure. I'm not stupid? I mean, everyone wants to say that, so take it with less than salt grains, but I pay attention to what I actually give a, rear end, about. Aside from that I guess it's just absorbed, I don't believe in cheating as a rule so that's probably helpful too. Well, cheating in school, 'cause that's how the asshats get 32's on their bio tests (which is hilarious but not for me). To be honest I could be more diligent in school but I, well, don't care, even if I know where it'll get me. Maybe it's the ADHD I don't take meds for but that stuff made me feel freaking awful, and ruined my discipline with sleep since passing out never ever ever happened. Weirdly there are certain things I try hard at. Like certain games (video games, not, I dunno, football). Or arguing. Or the gym (kinda? It's an energy outlet, a great one, but I don't harass people with douchey noise or obnoxious slamming, plus I follow my friend's lead on what to do). Oh, and external motivation really helps. Not money, more so, if I'd let someone down by failing, it loses its viability as an option.


    More stuff I'm crap at? Well, my grandmother (ESE, always offering food, good lord stop. But I appreciate her attitude, she's one of the few people I've met who I really think has kindness. Her and my grandpa who I idolized for actually being a dad, and buying me those medical factbooks) says I'm too stubborn, and she knows me well. If she takes a decision in a direction I dislike I usually lose my temper, not in a way where I want to hurt anybody, but in a sort of, "stop trying to be so clever, don't you remember last time?" way. I know it's really immature, I have to work on it. I'm s*** at apologizing to people, or accepting when I've done wrong. I also dwell way too hard on interpersonal decisions (does this person like me? Probably not.) which leads to inaction where it probably would've been harmless. My best friend (IEI by the descriptions, creepy at times, and moody, but we can have fun) fired at me that I can never admit wrongdoing, but he gets so darn touchy. But that right there may been an example, see? Always with the second guessing, too, that's why I asked other people what my type was.

    Uh, the nutcase thing? Well, it might be cause I was a messed up child, and it carried over. But you asked HOW. So, getting real creepy, seeming like a mess, talking about things nobody expects you to say, cause who the hell would start talking about that? Acting creepy (repeated myself), I like doing that, until a friend spoils it by going "he's harmless" or telling them I can act normal, a-holes. It's called being in character, come on! When I was younger, aside from violence at others, probably due to my fanboyism of dudes like Mick Foley, I'd get really good at running into stuff and making hard falls, if that counts. That's probably what did a number on my knees, in retrospect. Man, when you consider what you just did, it sounds, bad. But for some reason you do it again later. Well not you, that's bad writing, or projection, or something. I mean me. Another weakness for you. But yeah, in short, I act like an ill person. It actually manages to piss some people off, too. Believe it or not some people go,"You're so smart, stop acting so stupid!" But see those are the people you act extra stupid for. This is dragging on, uhm, ending? Yeah there we go. Or no, ending now. Sorry I love talking. But this is typing. But, but, oh fine.

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    @Myst You misquoted me there. I put that under evidence for role, not base. As for the 1D , I based that on his answer to the health/medicine question. It's not strong evidence, I know, since you could look at it a different way and say it's ignoring.

    I'm not convinced about ILE either, it's just my best guess atm, but I am convinced he's either that or SLE. The rational functions all line up with those too well to be anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tejing View Post
    @Myst You misquoted me there. I put that under evidence for role, not base. As for the 1D , I based that on his answer to the health/medicine question. It's not strong evidence, I know, since you could look at it a different way and say it's ignoring.

    I'm not convinced about ILE either, it's just my best guess atm, but I am convinced he's either that or SLE. The rational functions all line up with those too well to be anything else.
    I didn't misquote you, I just didn't feel like quoting every line of your post, otherwise I was aware of which parts were about Se role just fine. When I indicated his response was actually Se, I meant that it seemed Se in ego if that's what threw you off.

    Yes as I said I agree he must be xLE.

    His answer to the health question did not seem like unaware Si DS, honestly. He explicitly says he pays attention to himself. He knows what it means to let the body take care of things. (Though I don't know if he takes it to the extreme too much with not taking medication. But if he just meant he doesn't pop a pill for every little thing then I totally get his reasoning.)

    Anyway will see OP's answers first before I say more.

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    I know you didn't misunderstand me... I just think someone reading the quote could be confused. It's not a big deal, just me being pedantic. :-)
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    You sound a lot like my cousin who is ILE-Ne. He even has a thing for fighting games such mortal kombat, street fighter and injustice as you mentioned. Do you like the batman arkham games? I've never seen a bigger batman fan than him lol. You definitely seem the type of person (alpha NT) whom I could talk to and hang out with if this was real life.

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    Yeah actually I just read http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=ILE_subtypes for Ne now that you say that, sounds pretty accurate. And Batman Arkham? I played Arkham City but it seems to rely on being a huge Batman fan (which I'm not) and the gameplay's kinda.. reactionary? I do become a huge fanboy over things, though, that's for sure, so I can see the connection.

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    Does this game look fun to you or frustrating?

    A little clarification in case it's unclear: your character's hitbox is tiny, but if you're hit, you die instantly. So it puts a high value on perfection in choices, and essentially no value on acquiring resources or strength, which makes it pretty over (at least I think so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    You sound a lot like my cousin who is ILE-Ne. He even has a thing for fighting games such mortal kombat, street fighter and injustice as you mentioned. Do you like the batman arkham games? I've never seen a bigger batman fan than him lol. You definitely seem the type of person (alpha NT) whom I could talk to and hang out with if this was real life.
    Yeh I'm starting to get tired by the uh, tangents.

    In any case, an unfocused - actually dx'd with ADHD - Irrational EP with inert subtype being doubly EP.


    Quote Originally Posted by tejing View Post
    Does this game look fun to you or frustrating? (...) A little clarification in case it's unclear: your character's hitbox is tiny, but if you're hit, you die instantly. So it puts a high value on perfection in choices, and essentially no value on acquiring resources or strength, which makes it pretty over (at least I think so).
    Haha, I clicked on it and it's frustrating right away, just one crappy little game, I might as well waste my energy for real life goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Yeh I'm starting to get tired by the uh, tangents.
    Your polr really shows.

    This one was immediately obvious to me so I didn't see the need for serious analysis. Notice his emphasis on things that "interest" him such video games, movies, science. This to me screams leading Ne, and the strong demonstrative Te/Creative Ti can be seen in his wide array of knowledge about those interest. I'm not seeing that hallmark SLE "get real" attitude anywhere in his post. I saw a lot of myself in his post except for the whole not being able to sit down thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    Your polr really shows.

    This one was immediately obvious to me so I didn't see the need for serious analysis. Notice his emphasis on things that "interest" him such video games, movies, science. This to me screams leading Ne, and the strong demonstrative Te/Creative Ti can be seen in his wide array of knowledge about those interest. I'm not seeing that hallmark SLE "get real" attitude anywhere in his post. I saw a lot of myself in his post except for the whole not being able to sit down thing.
    Haha about your comment on me. Yes Ne for OP makes sense, though had some good Se expressions too in the questionnaire answers. But overall it makes sense that there is more emphasis on Ne than Se. You do have a very good point that he does not seem like the type who'd give the "get real" sort of advice to people. Not being able to sit down btw is a typical ADHD symptom too.

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    Clear focus on Sensing. Fe is valued for sure.

    Not sure about a particular type though. People says xLE here. You can't be ILE, if I had to choose I would say SLE. You value Fe, but at the same time it doesn't seem very strong. I've seen no clue about intuition.

    Your answer to the first question is quite interesting. We can see that you think firstly about sensations. They seem external though. Yeah, SLE makes sense.

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