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    4 4.44%
  • SEI (ISFp)

    0 0%
  • ESE (ESFj)

    2 2.22%
  • LII (INTj)

    20 22.22%
  • SLE (ESTp)

    0 0%
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    5 5.56%
  • EIE (ENFj)

    25 27.78%
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    1 1.11%
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    18 20.00%
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    4 4.44%
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    1 1.11%
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    Dude, if that's the way you feel, it's fine, but it isn't all about you.

    I mean, you can think what you want. We clearly just disagree, but I don't think I want to say any more at this point. So fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    Dude, if that's the way you feel, it's fine, but it isn't all about you.

    I mean, you can think what you want. We clearly just disagree, but I don't think I want to say any more at this point. So fine.
    You are right. It is just me and how I want to live. There is an entire world gay and trans world you are not privy to see. Its not all rainbows. Some dark things. Not everyone likes to have a collectivist worldview about everything, like is being asked of us via cultural indoctrination.

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    Alright look, I am bisexual (or a 2 on the Kinsey scale) and I do know a lot about what you're talking about because I've done some of that as well, though I've always used condoms and try to be safe (no gloryholes or anything too weird like that). And I'm an introvert, so I prefer deep relationships over casual sex. But no I don't at all feel the way you do about it and I don't think my homosexual thoughts were ever any more perverted than my straight ones.

    So can we leave it alone? This is annoying. We don't know each other and this has gotten way too personal for an anonymous internet forum on socionics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    Alright look, I am bisexual (or a 2 on the Kinsey scale) and I do know a lot about what you're talking about because I've done some of that as well, though I've always used condoms and try to be safe (no gloryholes or anything too weird like that). And I'm an introvert, so I prefer deep relationships over casual sex. But no I don't at all feel the way you do about it and I don't think my homosexual thoughts were ever any more perverted than my straight ones.

    So can we leave it alone? This is annoying. We don't know each other and this has gotten way too personal for an anonymous internet forum on socionics...
    Okay sure, no problem.

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    He told that his mathematical skills are not particularly good compared to others. I don't think this aligns particularly well with EIE as they tend to even obsess with it. Maybe IEE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    He told that his mathematical skills are not particularly good compared to others. I don't think this aligns particularly well with EIE as they tend to even obsess with it. Maybe IEE?
    Or maybe ILE. I am actually starting to lean towards that.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Man speaking with him seems XSI. Ni HA.

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    Damn. I was reading his guide on how to write essays, and the guy loves rules. And "thinking clearly". I'm starting to move somewhat back towards Beta for him. Not Ti ignoring. ILI if Gamma.

    https://jordanbpeterson.com/docs/430_docs/Template.docx

    I like the general ideas at the beginning, however his actual technique and structure for writing is incredibly stifling and not much different from the essay writing in middle school that made me hate writing. (I do love writing, but not this kind of uninspired boilerplate stuff.)

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    back to EIE. Restrict me more baby and I restrict you. Together we can become true dungeon masters and inmates. We can switch the roles daily... only and only if the rule is set. Sounds bit like LSI/EIE duality.
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    just watched this video



    he's definitely Se valuing. his obsession with hierachies, "alpha" and "beta" traits etc. personally leave me shacking my head.

    @3:45: he compares "diversifying your hierachy of plans" to investing into the stock market. he's very interested in mysterious phenomens, religion, carl jung, symbolism etc. he's extremly pragmatic in most of his convictions. I think LIE creative subtype makes the most sense.

    he had a debate with Slavoj Žižek (EIE) a while ago (Beta vs. Gamma)

    he interacts too directly with the real world to be an ILI.

    interesting how bad he looked 1 1/2 years ago. Golihov mentioned that types with Ni as creative function (EIE, LIE) benefit from fame. it helps them realising their personality in the world.

    http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...rted_intuition

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    in this video, he pretty much talks about the dominant subtype. he also makes predictions for the future (Ni). he does that very often, predicting how things will develop

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    The Zizek debate was ok, he may just be a strongly contra-flow E1 EIE (I previously typed him ILI). Zizek had the upper hand, and it didn't seem like it was due to supervision—I would expect an ILI debating an EIE like that to be more passive or defensive in their maneuvers, staying within their own 'logic' more rather than going tit for tat. It seemed like they were playing the same game in a slightly different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    The Zizek debate was ok, he may just be a strongly contra-flow E1 EIE (I previously typed him ILI). Zizek had the upper hand, and it didn't seem like it was due to supervision—I would expect an ILI debating an EIE like that to be more passive or defensive in their maneuvers, staying within their own 'logic' more rather than going tit for tat. It seemed like they were playing the same game in a slightly different way.
    business relationships (EIE/LIE) are often a lot of talk without ever gaining much from the other person, because your role function is pretty much turned off in favor of your base. you basically say something, but the other person doesn't really aknowledge it and develops his own point of view based on his own thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    business relationships (EIE/LIE) are often a lot of talk without ever gaining much from the other person, because your role function is pretty much turned off in favor of your base. you basically say something, but the other person doesn't really aknowledge it and develops his own point of view based on his own thoughts
    I see what you're saying, but what I was getting at was slightly different than that. In a word, I didn't see them significantly reformatting what the other was saying in the sense you're implying—the ways they thought, in terms of how they articulated themselves, actually didn't seem that divergent; if anything the main difference was more motivation/culture-based. To me it more or less just seemed like they covered more ground than I would expect an LIE and EIE to.
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    Watched a video. First thought; sensor. Second thought; dialectic-algorithmic cognition. I think he is probably SEI-Si 1w2 so/sp.
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    it's interesting that he thinks bjørn lomborg (who is also an LIE imo) is a genius.

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    I think this a very good example of an ENTj-Te who is not in a pure business career. ENTj-Te’s can be emotional speakers and are very good story tellers. If you look at his ideas, he tries his hardest to make sure his ideas are in logical order (his ideas aren’t always logical, but even that is a trait described by Meged) and they are pragmatic with his constant references to neuropsychology and statistical results. An ENFj would make much more of an appeal to pathos, while Jordan gives practical advice which really hits home (literally, “Clean your room”). People mistake his active following for a Beta quadra rallying (i.e MLK revolution), but it is merely the product of the fact that the ideas he touches upon are very controversial in our modern day.

    He reminds me of my ENTj-Te philosophy teacher; he was very stoic and even when he made jokes he barely cracked a smile. However, when it came to a topic that he had a deep down emotional connection towards, he shed tears while keeping a constant pace with relaying his message. This was the only time I saw any of my teachers cry.

    It is also very interesting to note how he very easily monetized fame, seeing the opportunity for profit straight away. I know this is a weak point, but it is a point nonetheless.

    P.S: I am not in agreement with most of his teachings. Just in case you got that impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    omg, that's him exactly.

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    Let's start with what he isn't:

    He does not have dominant Te or Ti.

    First Te, He uses many examples of studies and research, but he's an academic he should be doing that. Compare him to someone who really has ego Te like Ben Shapiro.


    Now Ti, he has a very hard time making his point in a clear and concise manner, he circles around the topic slowly getting to the point. His point I think is as clear to him as it is to us, its as if he's uncovering what he really wants to say the longer he talks.




    He is not a dominant Sensor.

    He works himself sick and he frequently showers meatheads like Joe Rogan with adulation for being so intimidating and strong and awesome. Last time I checked his diet consists of all meat, he has little to no variation of what he eats.

    What is he then?

    He exaggerates emotions to an excessively dramatic level, every time you hear him speak its as if he's preaching of fire and brimstone. Everything is magnified to the nth degree of emotion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7G7PTxqvFs

    He frequently makes himself out to be a victim, to be victimized by a group, calls people out for being aggressive to him. Whether its actually happening or not he feels comfortable to portray himself to be on the defense. This to me seems like victim behavior.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhuJEe6AqJA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTk-69f64KU


    I think he's an IEI or EIE.
    Growing up where he grew up, in rural Canada, I think will hammer out that NF-ness pretty hard. Beta NFs are beaten down in working-class cultures that are concerned with mainly making a simple practical living for themselves. What do you get when this happens? A man preaching traditional working-class values ie be practical, be hardworking, don't live in your head. He preaches this as a revolutionary movement as if he's upturning the current system. He preaches what seem like delta/gamma values like a beta would.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    Let's start with what he isn't:

    He does not have dominant Te or Ti.

    First Te, He uses many examples of studies and research, but he's an academic he should be doing that. Compare him to someone who really has ego Te like Ben Shapiro.

    Now Ti, he has a very hard time making his point in a clear and concise manner, he circles around the topic slowly getting to the point. His point I think is as clear to him as it is to us, its as if he's uncovering what he really wants to say the longer he talks.

    I guess since I'm using DCNH I want to mention that peterson is a creative subtype, and shapiro a normaliser.

    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    have you seen this video? the student in the beginning is an obvious NF idealist, probably even IEI, who dreams that climate change will unite people together to work towards a solution, and peterson absolutely crushes him with Te. I see peterson's emotionality coming more from Fi as suggestive function.
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    man that was brutal. ILI (Vegan Gains) can be quite harsh in their judgements. from this video and other stuff I've read, I think his daughter might be an LIE too. I have little information on his wife, but I remember seeing her a couple of times in some videos and my intuition telling me that she's an EII. Peterson looks extremly bad at the end of the video (he's mentioned @ 13:50). gives kind of a different perspective on his life outside of his puplic persona.
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    here's the video that she posted on her channel



    yeah after watching it I'm very strongly leaning towards EII, so it would be a rational semi-dual relationship between them.

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    ^ Seems SEE. Fact focused and very causal deterministic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    ^ Seems SEE. Fact focused and very causal deterministic.
    do you mean his wife or his daughter? hmm SEE seems unlikely for both of them imo, but I probably won't spend more time analysing them.

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    ^ ok, so the wife is an obvious Harmonizer. Makes sense.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    LII-Ti, Dominant Subtype.

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    My guess is Jordan Peterson is LIE. This makes the most sense to me based on what I've seen of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post


    man that was brutal. ILI (Vegan Gains) can be quite harsh in their judgements. from this video and other stuff I've read, I think his daughter might be an LIE too. I have little information on his wife, but I remember seeing her a couple of times in some videos and my intuition telling me that she's an EII. Peterson looks extremly bad at the end of the video (he's mentioned @ 13:50). gives kind of a different perspective on his life outside of his puplic persona.

    Hey, I've seen a bunch of Vegan Gains' videos over the years and I'm pretty sure he's SLI 6w5. My thought when I first saw his stuff was ILI, but after seeing more of his videos and some of his debates I'm pretty sure he's SLI.

    That Mikhaila Peterson vid sure was rough though

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post


    man that was brutal. ILI (Vegan Gains) can be quite harsh in their judgements. from this video and other stuff I've read, I think his daughter might be an LIE too. I have little information on his wife, but I remember seeing her a couple of times in some videos and my intuition telling me that she's an EII. Peterson looks extremly bad at the end of the video (he's mentioned @ 13:50). gives kind of a different perspective on his life outside of his puplic persona.
    Lol vegan gains might be an even bigger piece of shit than Jordan Peterson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumdumho View Post
    Lol vegan gains might be an even bigger piece of shit than Jordan Peterson.
    Lol yeah, he doesn't care at all about being socially appropriate. There's a video of him confronting a vegetarian in public, and it's like he couldn't even understand why there might be a problem with how he was acting.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbFGO8TMCnI

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    His weakest cognitive skill according to him is in realm of mathematical understanding. So logic is probably bit weaker.
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    I see why others want to peg him as someone with strong logical functions, but he's terribly inconsistent in his beliefs, and has gaping holes in them. He can cite sources, but so can anyone with a decent memory, and it's his primary job.

    For example, he believes that relativism is the scourge of modern western society, and equates that with post-modernism AND marxism. That doesn't make any sense, it's like he never bothered to look up what marxism is, yet he shrugs it off as something bad or evil. There is legitimate criticism of marxism, but Peterson is nowhere close to having anything relevant to critique it for.

    Then he equates lobster hierarchy with human society and uses that as a justification for inequality. Humans are not lobsters, obviously. Other animals have less of a hierarchical structure in their way of living, are those not equally valid, then? Why lobsters, that aren't even mammals or closely related to us evolutionary?

    He has this weird diet where he only eats red meat, it's weird, it's not based on anything except his feeling of it being better for him. Wtf? Humans are not carnivores...


    LxE and LxI is tempting because he likes rules and cites his claims, but I would expect consistency in his beliefs if that was the case. Te HA xEE feels out of the question too, since they aren't people who will write extensive rules about things. Auxiliary logic? I'd still expect some level of consistency across beliefs. He seems too fond of Te to really be an xEI, and too quarrelsome to be Delta intuitive introvert.

    ESI still likes to maintain a sense of order in what they percieve as a chaotic environment, and he really excells at giving people guidance in how to act to become a responsible and happier person. His forceful indignation seems to be strong, and he genuinely believes that maintaining control over the environment is important to not let chaos in. He's really good at convincing others of his ethics, but is poor in logical consistency and use force rather than logical reasoning in debates, he will often deflect by being long-winded and ending up on something adjacent to what he was pressured on.


    TL;DR: Clearly values Te and Se, but the logical consistency and factual correctness is piss poor. ESI, then, because he makes a huge deal about controlling your environment and convincing others of what is ethical and proposes these "12 rules for life".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    His weakest cognitive skill according to him is in realm of mathematical understanding. So logic is probably bit weaker.
    Idk, I know an SLE who's very weak in mathematical understanding. Jordan Peterson says he types high in conscientiousness and openness, so my guess is he's just a more artistic LIE.
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    I think he is Ni-EIE. His line of reasoning is very associative, at times scattered. He is a very talented talker though, and knows which emotions to invoke in others - and how to do it. He's an intellectual, but seems more ethical than logical to me. He's also somewhat of a trickster, a shill if you will. Intelligent and values Ti, yes, but his logical functions are not that strong - lots of inconsistencies in his views as previously mentioned. In the Enneagram, probably a 1w9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bohemienne View Post
    Idk, I know an SLE who's not mathematical at all. Jordan Peterson says he types high in conscientiousness and openness, so my guess is he's just a more artistic LIE.
    Lopsidedness of cognitive skills regarding type without a head trauma would contradict a theory (like one could be relatively good at lower functions but not really low in higher functions regarding personal skill level although placing less significance in it or being more even in actual skills than the extreme version) which does not say that LIE's can not be a psychologist.
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    EIE-Ni

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    I thought iei but eie ni could work

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