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    Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
    Exactly. Enneagram is very specific about this too: personality type is ego-attachment. It is NOT the self.
    The term fixations is a clue. Its built right in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
    Exactly. Enneagram is very specific about this too: personality type is ego-attachment. It is NOT the self.
    How is "Ego-attachment" "NOT the self"?

    If you didn't have an individuated, self-specialized ego, how do you get to be a person? And why are you negating that part of yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waddup View Post
    IMO it’s tantamount to the same thing. Dont read a value statement into this. Mental illness is what it is. The mechanisms as to the why and how are redundant at this level of discussion. I dont judge mental illness like others do and I cast a wide net with the term. I see most of humanity as afflicted by some level of mental Dis-ease.
    It's still stupid to call human differences mental illness. That term implies an illness that needs to be cured. It leads to all kinds of fallacious thinking, such as reparative therapy. I don't think you even really know or have an idea what mental illness is, if you're using the term so broadly.

    The question at this level is shoukd society cater and chnage to better accommodate a transgender person or should the transgender person accept their place as it stands.
    Is that the question? Identity is both individual and influenced by society. It isn't about choosing one over the other. If this is the kind of question that Peterson gets people to ask, then society is fubar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karatos View Post
    Yeah, Socionics has some detrimental ramifications when you use it to explain all facets of human consciousness because you then run the risk of masking mental conditions. And if you mask your mental conditions with this shit, your chances of seeking legitimate treatment are slim-to-none, because as the adage goes "the first step is admitting you have a problem", and you can't admit you have a problem if you chalk it up to information elements that are considered a normal part of the Model A program. For example, if you think that your "Fi" accounts for chronic depression, then you'll essentially assume your "Fi is working just fine" and neglect to seek help for the underlying issue. If you think your intuition accounts for schizophrenia, etc....
    Personally speaking, when I had depression, it destroyed my sense of identity and it was a lot harder to identify with the things I did before it, let alone a personality type. So I guess it could go to the other extreme too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    How is "Ego-attachment" "NOT the self"?

    If you didn't have an individuated, self-specialized ego, how do you get to be a person? And why are you negating that part of yourself?
    Because it is a world-view, a belief, a modus operandi, that the ego attaches itself to. A fixation, as @waddup mentioned. It is not the ego. And in turn, the ego is not the self, though we like to tell ourselves otherwise. So already, once's E-type is at least twice removed from our essence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    It's still stupid to call human differences mental illness.
    I stated that transgenderism is a kind of mental illness, not human differences. What those people who are, choose to do with it, is up to them. As a gay man myself, I have had to reconcile that my own homosexuality might be a type kf mental illness and / or a kind of genetic fuck up. What I choose to believe about it is a form of mental health. I dont kid myself into thinking its normal though. It has become normalized thanks to media, public opinion swaying, still doesnt make it any less abnormal. Besides I dont see it as an equivalent problem to transgenderism. Humanity is going to start playing with the human genome its already happened in China recently. Look out for the free for all. Chicks with dicks is going to look mild in a hundred years.

    That term implies an illness that needs to be cured.
    The cure is self acceptance. Which could mean accepting your own delusions.

    It leads to all kinds of fallacious thinking, such as reparative therapy. I don't think you even really know or have an idea what mental illness is, if you're using the term so broadly.
    I do.


    Is that the question? Identity is both individual and influenced by society. It isn't about choosing one over the other. If this is the kind of question that Peterson gets people to ask, then society is fubar.
    It is fucked up. That’s Peterson’s entire point.

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    @Olimpia did you have anything else to say about Peterson as sx/so and in regard to my points from before? I do think you can still make a case for him being sx/so, but I still question this idea you stated earlier about the stacking.

    He has sparked controversy in a way that is unusual for So/Sp 1. So/Sp 1 is more often found in Law and similar pursuits. They are more stable and less "impassionate" or socially disruptive, due to the desire to be part of the group.
    However, how he has sparked controversy and a "movement"/following of some kind, with a fan base, is much more typical of Sx/So than So/Sp.
    Also, you could even argue he loses composure too often for someone who is supposedly a 1.

    Jordan Peterson is known for shouting and even crying during his talks or interviews. He loses composure too often for someone who is supposedly So/Sp 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karatos View Post
    Socionics was developed by psychologists. Augustina was a psychologist, Kepinski had a background in psychology, and Jung was essentially a psychologist. Gannushkin, Leonhard, and Lichko all had backgrounds in psychology as well.

    It's inconsistent of you to claim that modern research developed by psychologists should be taken with a grain of salt, while claiming the dated research done by these people who were also psychologists should practically amount to the gospel truth. Your viewpoint on the matter amounts to a rigid kind of fundamentalism that disregards empirical evidence and substantiated explanations for cognition and behavior. Even your definitions for functions amount to some of the most crude, reductionist, simple, and inaccurate shit I've ever seen uttered in typology circles. Functioning is not "Te." Purpose is not "Ni." That's fucking ludicrous.
    I never said Jung or Augusta should be taken as gospel truth, and in fact I've directly critiqued both Jung and Augusta on my website and blog, not to mention presented an interpretation of socionics that goes beyond what they imagined. The others you mentioned aren't directly relevant to my research. I am familiar with and to some extent find value in other psychological research - taking it with a grain of salt means just that. The difference with socionics is that I can (and have) directly verified it through my own research and personal experience. If you disagree with my conclusions (which are elaborated on my website) then there's not much more else to say. However, your knowledge of socionics seems limited at best so I don't take these kinds of objections very seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    I didn't really quote anything, but I looked back to see what he said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NieOvfs1lu0) and it was that he thought the patriarchy wasn't really a thing because people keep jobs based on if they are competent or not. But he uses a doctor as an example of competence, saying you seek out the most competence doctor. But doctors are highly trained phsyicians with many years of school and experience, so naturally a doctor should be competent. Things get fuzzy when you talk about corporate culture and production; a company could say create a very cheap product that has poor quality and still makes money because people like cheap stuff, but at the same time introduces crappy products into the market that are hard to fix, costly to constantly replace, and don't last long (sometimes this is intentional). So essentially competence becomes what makes money, which is more about economic power, which makes his doctor argument now a bit fuzzy in my opinion.
    Yeah there is a bit of that "being successful economically means you're competent by definition" which is a typical Gamma fallacy IME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I never said Jung or Augusta should be taken as gospel truth,
    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    But I do think socionics can help answer that question since it's essentially the only general model we have for normal psychological functioning (albeit very schematic in its current form).
    You said "it's the only general model we have for normal psychological functioning." Ie. that it's the sole, valid interpretation of how a normal psyche functions. Therefore, your viewpoint amounts to a claim that it's the absolute truth, or the "gospel truth." What about the DSM-5 alternative model of personality, or Kernsberg's model of personality organization, or Big 5, HEXACO, MBTI, WHODAS, or any model that could be synthesized from these systems? You've obviously disregarded them in favor of Socionics, once again dovetailing with the fact that you take Socionics as the gospel truth.

    This is what you had to say about ADD in the thread I made about ADD earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Ne is real, ADD is a fictional disorder used to drug up young children.
    That's not taking the criteria for ADD with a "grain of salt." Your viewpoint on the matter amounts to conspiracy theory.

    If you think that functioning is "Te", then you confuse objective reality with subjective reality in that you think that objective phenomena literally amount to information elements. Ie. you're tacitly roping people into your worldview about what reality even is with the theories posted on your website. So I'm not interested in reading your website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karatos View Post
    You said "it's the only general model we have for normal psychological functioning." Ie. that it's the sole, valid interpretation of how a normal psyche functions. Therefore, your viewpoint amounts to a claim that it's the absolute truth, or the "gospel truth." What about the DSM-5 alternative model of personality, or Kernsberg's model of personality organization, or Big 5, HEXACO, MBTI, WHODAS, or any model that could be synthesized from these systems? You've obviously disregarded them in favor of Socionics, once again dovetailing with the fact that you take Socionics as the gospel truth.
    The key words here are general functioning. Socionics is more than just a personality type model. It attempts to describe all of human consciousness as information processing by eight interacting functions. MBTI does break things down similarly but I haven't found it to be very accurate or coherent. Big 5 makes no such attempt, it's just a collection of binary traits. If these other viewpoints can be related to socionics in some way then I'd be more confident in them due to my familiarity with socionics, but I wouldn't reject them by default, that's completely absurd. I welcome any and all insight into human psychology.

    This is what you had to say about ADD in the thread I made about ADD earlier:

    "Ne is real, ADD is a fictional disorder used to drug up young children."

    That's not taking the criteria for ADD with a "grain of salt." Your viewpoint on the matter amounts to conspiracy theory.
    I was exaggerating, but that assessment is based on the demonstrable fact that Big Pharma is the source of much of drug research funding (in itself a huge conflict of interest), as well as the reproducibility crisis in the humanities, plus the other ontological issues I've mentioned above. The idea that these "disorders" require being given drugs that may not actually solve the problem (or have side effects that are even worse) tends to amplify the issues with the underlying science many times over. But I'm open to being convinced that these things are really disorders and the supposed cures do help.

    If you think that functioning is "Te", then you confuse objective reality with subjective reality in that you think that objective phenomena literally amount to information elements. Ie. you're tacitly roping people into your worldview about what reality even is with the theories posted on your website. So I'm not interested in reading your website.
    In socionics information aspects are categories of objective information - this is due to Augusta, not me. If you don't like it or can't understand it I suggest finding another forum. Maybe MBTI or Big 5 would be easier for you to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waddup View Post
    I stated that transgenderism is a kind of mental illness, not human differences. What those people who are, choose to do with it, is up to them. As a gay man myself, I have had to reconcile that my own homosexuality might be a type kf mental illness and / or a kind of genetic fuck up. What I choose to believe about it is a form of mental health. I dont kid myself into thinking its normal though. It has become normalized thanks to media, public opinion swaying, still doesnt make it any less abnormal. Besides I dont see it as an equivalent problem to transgenderism. Humanity is going to start playing with the human genome its already happened in China recently. Look out for the free for all. Chicks with dicks is going to look mild in a hundred years.


    The cure is self acceptance. Which could mean accepting your own delusions.


    I do.



    It is fucked up. That’s Peterson’s entire point.
    Gotta be honest here. Being gay is inherently harmless. Two gay people can live together and have a positive partnership that doesn't take away from other people or from coexisting as a member of society.

    So it concerns me to see you entertaining it as a possible mental illness. I mean I agree it's abnormal, but not all abnormalities are bad or necessarily undesirable or need to be treated.

    Evolution/reproduction, for example, is all about mixing genes, genetic mutations, and really just creating something new and different from everything else. Everybody has something different about them from everybody else; it doesn't mean they need to be normalized. Do you get what I mean? And if you don't, then where do you draw the line between mental illness and human variation?

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    A 2008 study published in the open access journal Genome Biology suggests that during our evolution, we reached a point where our brain met the limit of its cognitive capabilities. To overcome this, the organ evolved rapidly in order to increase the rate at which it performed metabolic processes. Certain psychiatric conditions, such as schizophrenia, are a byproduct of these dramatic molecular changes, one prominent theory states.
    https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/sc...plex-evolution



    @Dalek, yes right! even major mental illnesses can be just a natural product of evolution... what looks like a disease might actually be a collective boon to the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    Gotta be honest here. Being gay is inherently harmless.
    I know that already. I don't think it is harmless though. Promiscuity leading to the spread of STI's. Gay men are sluts, generally speaking. Grindr, revolving door partners, HIV epidemic, anal sex leading to highest transmission rates, drug abuses, take your pick. Super gonnereah, clamidia, the entire meth culture, cheating, adult children, pretty much all the evils you get otherwise in the straight world and times it by a factor of x6. The homo-lisp, the lame gay communities, the freak shows, the cattiness, pettiness, the "omg you are so butchhhh", cowardice, flakiness, back stabbing, gossip, cruelty, the empty children of men life, the superficial cry-babies of the city, the bitchy Queens. On and on. The biggest problem I have with being gay is other gay men. I cannot stand most gay men.

    Two gay people can live together and have a positive partnership
    Mediocre lives that end with separations, cheating and divorces, got it. Empty lives revolving around Muffie the Poodle and trips to Ikea for the newest decorative furniture and the empty sterile lives but there are glowing lights in the hot tub and lets do a gay cruise so we can fuck as many men as possible and Bing you have a grindr message for a dick suck 100m away POZ only straight acting bullshit.

    that doesn't take away from other people or from coexisting as a member of society.
    Sure when they do well they contribute big taxes to make sure fellow man can get child day care and Elemtery schools get the support they need even though it will not benefit the gay couple in anyway shape or form. Plus the pretend respect and tolerance by people that behind closed doors think you are a broken degenerate only after one thing: a piece of meat. Hey, we pay taxes so like, don't hate us.

    So it concerns me to see you entertaining it as a possible mental illness.
    I have never been one to be willing to overlook difficult answers.

    I mean I agree it's abnormal, but not all abnormalities are bad or necessarily undesirable or need to be treated.
    I know that already. I never stated it should be treated, only that it sucks and if I could wave a magic wand I would in a heart beat.

    Evolution/reproduction, for example, is all about mixing genes, genetic mutations, and really just creating something new and different from everything else. Everybody has something different about them from everybody else; it doesn't mean they need to be normalized. Do you get what I mean? And if you don't, then where do you draw the line between mental illness and human variation?
    I don't know. I'm sure someone far more educated and knowledgable about what is good for the entire human population to do is out there answering this question right now. Consider human pollution is actually a force of nature we can;t even comprehend and we see the convoluting of the Earth's surface and its temperature changing and mineral extraction as a part of the entire process if you zoon out way far enough. Basically, you can't know what is good for man, or not, people can't even figure what is good for themselves let alone everybody else. And if they can do they follow through on it?

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    Taking the worst in promiscuity and freakishness of gay culture doesn't make a case for it as mental illness. There are freaks and promiscuity with straight people too. STDs are common with swingers and there are plenty of straight weird fetishes involving cross-dressing and bdsm with straight non-transgender people. It's an obvious straw man.

    And it's senseless to defer the question I asked you to more educated and knowledgeable people when you are the one using mental illness with such broad strokes. No one else has to justify your silly categorizing, but you.

    You're being ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    Taking the worst in promiscuity and freakishness of gay culture doesn't make a case for it as mental illness. There are freaks and promiscuity with straight people too. STDs are common with swingers and there are plenty of straight weird fetishes involving cross-dressing and bdsm with straight non-transgender people. It's an obvious straw man.

    And it's senseless to defer the question I asked you to more educated and knowledgeable people when you are the one using mental illness with such broad strokes. No one else has to justify your silly categorizing, but you.

    You're being ridiculous.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Are you a virgin? How long have you been out for? Have you told people at your work place you are gay? Have you stood behind your identity in the face of any real, actual adversity, like a lunch room in a saw mill in Northern British Columbia? Fuck off you have no idea what you are talking about. How many gay people have you met over the years? How far down the glory hole have you even gone? Have you had your dick sucked off in a Park? I'm a Senior talking to a Junior here. Straw man...fuck off to Reddit with this whiny high school debate class bull.

    I don't care I am being ridiculous. Its still true. Society values tolerance atm of minorities and marriages. If you have not had sex with the same sex don't cast your opinion I don;t even care about it.

    People feel sorry for trangerdered and gay people which is a long way from true acceptance. The sooner you accept that the more well adjusted to the truth you will be.

    Identifying as gay is pretty much just saying hi im such and such and I like dick. Tell me how that's not some kind of mental abbheration?

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    My step brother is a gay doctor (and happily married) and my friend from college is gay and has a nice marketing job. And no, they don't know what you're really talking about because I asked them. But fine, if this is too personal, whatever then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    My step brother is a gay doctor (and happily married) and my friend from college is gay and has a nice marketing job. And no, they don't know what you're really talking about because I asked them. But fine, if this is too personal, whatever then.
    Right the "gay fantasy". Meanwhile one jerks off on Cam4cams and the other gets his rocks off at the local Bath House every third or forth "business trip'. Shiny and happy. HIV transmission still highest amoung gay men in North America. Free love is not free. Why can't I just blow my load in a 20 cum filled dump hole without consequences? You think this isn't real? LOL clueless.

    Society gave gay men a niche. That's all that happened.

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    Dude, if that's the way you feel, it's fine, but it isn't all about you.

    I mean, you can think what you want. We clearly just disagree, but I don't think I want to say any more at this point. So fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    Dude, if that's the way you feel, it's fine, but it isn't all about you.

    I mean, you can think what you want. We clearly just disagree, but I don't think I want to say any more at this point. So fine.
    You are right. It is just me and how I want to live. There is an entire world gay and trans world you are not privy to see. Its not all rainbows. Some dark things. Not everyone likes to have a collectivist worldview about everything, like is being asked of us via cultural indoctrination.

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    Alright look, I am bisexual (or a 2 on the Kinsey scale) and I do know a lot about what you're talking about because I've done some of that as well, though I've always used condoms and try to be safe (no gloryholes or anything too weird like that). And I'm an introvert, so I prefer deep relationships over casual sex. But no I don't at all feel the way you do about it and I don't think my homosexual thoughts were ever any more perverted than my straight ones.

    So can we leave it alone? This is annoying. We don't know each other and this has gotten way too personal for an anonymous internet forum on socionics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Caan View Post
    Alright look, I am bisexual (or a 2 on the Kinsey scale) and I do know a lot about what you're talking about because I've done some of that as well, though I've always used condoms and try to be safe (no gloryholes or anything too weird like that). And I'm an introvert, so I prefer deep relationships over casual sex. But no I don't at all feel the way you do about it and I don't think my homosexual thoughts were ever any more perverted than my straight ones.

    So can we leave it alone? This is annoying. We don't know each other and this has gotten way too personal for an anonymous internet forum on socionics...
    Okay sure, no problem.

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    He told that his mathematical skills are not particularly good compared to others. I don't think this aligns particularly well with EIE as they tend to even obsess with it. Maybe IEE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll Nr 007 View Post
    He told that his mathematical skills are not particularly good compared to others. I don't think this aligns particularly well with EIE as they tend to even obsess with it. Maybe IEE?
    Or maybe ILE. I am actually starting to lean towards that.

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    Man speaking with him seems XSI. Ni HA.
    “Not to understand is profound; to understand is shallow. Not to understand is to be on the inside; to understand is to be on the outside.”

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    Damn. I was reading his guide on how to write essays, and the guy loves rules. And "thinking clearly". I'm starting to move somewhat back towards Beta for him. Not Ti ignoring. ILI if Gamma.

    https://jordanbpeterson.com/docs/430_docs/Template.docx

    I like the general ideas at the beginning, however his actual technique and structure for writing is incredibly stifling and not much different from the essay writing in middle school that made me hate writing. (I do love writing, but not this kind of uninspired boilerplate stuff.)

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    back to EIE. Restrict me more baby and I restrict you. Together we can become true dungeon masters and inmates. We can switch the roles daily... only and only if the rule is set. Sounds bit like LSI/EIE duality.
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    just watched this video



    he's definitely Se valuing. his obsession with hierachies, "alpha" and "beta" traits etc. personally leave me shacking my head.

    @3:45: he compares "diversifying your hierachy of plans" to investing into the stock market. he's very interested in mysterious phenomens, religion, carl jung, symbolism etc. he's extremly pragmatic in most of his convictions. I think LIE creative subtype makes the most sense.

    he had a debate with Slavoj Žižek (EIE) a while ago (Beta vs. Gamma)

    he interacts too directly with the real world to be an ILI.

    interesting how bad he looked 1 1/2 years ago. Golihov mentioned that types with Ni as creative function (EIE, LIE) benefit from fame. it helps them realising their personality in the world.

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    in this video, he pretty much talks about the dominant subtype. he also makes predictions for the future (Ni). he does that very often, predicting how things will develop

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    The Zizek debate was ok, he may just be a strongly contra-flow E1 EIE (I previously typed him ILI). Zizek had the upper hand, and it didn't seem like it was due to supervision—I would expect an ILI debating an EIE like that to be more passive or defensive in their maneuvers, staying within their own 'logic' more rather than going tit for tat. It seemed like they were playing the same game in a slightly different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    The Zizek debate was ok, he may just be a strongly contra-flow E1 EIE (I previously typed him ILI). Zizek had the upper hand, and it didn't seem like it was due to supervision—I would expect an ILI debating an EIE like that to be more passive or defensive in their maneuvers, staying within their own 'logic' more rather than going tit for tat. It seemed like they were playing the same game in a slightly different way.
    business relationships (EIE/LIE) are often a lot of talk without ever gaining much from the other person, because your role function is pretty much turned off in favor of your base. you basically say something, but the other person doesn't really aknowledge it and develops his own point of view based on his own thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    business relationships (EIE/LIE) are often a lot of talk without ever gaining much from the other person, because your role function is pretty much turned off in favor of your base. you basically say something, but the other person doesn't really aknowledge it and develops his own point of view based on his own thoughts
    I see what you're saying, but what I was getting at was slightly different than that. In a word, I didn't see them significantly reformatting what the other was saying in the sense you're implying—the ways they thought, in terms of how they articulated themselves, actually didn't seem that divergent; if anything the main difference was more motivation/culture-based. To me it more or less just seemed like they covered more ground than I would expect an LIE and EIE to.
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    Watched a video. First thought; sensor. Second thought; dialectic-algorithmic cognition. I think he is probably SEI-Si 1w2 so/sp.

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    it's interesting that he thinks bjørn lomborg (who is also an LIE imo) is a genius.

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    I think this a very good example of an ENTj-Te who is not in a pure business career. ENTj-Te’s can be emotional speakers and are very good story tellers. If you look at his ideas, he tries his hardest to make sure his ideas are in logical order (his ideas aren’t always logical, but even that is a trait described by Meged) and they are pragmatic with his constant references to neuropsychology and statistical results. An ENFj would make much more of an appeal to pathos, while Jordan gives practical advice which really hits home (literally, “Clean your room”). People mistake his active following for a Beta quadra rallying (i.e MLK revolution), but it is merely the product of the fact that the ideas he touches upon are very controversial in our modern day.

    He reminds me of my ENTj-Te philosophy teacher; he was very stoic and even when he made jokes he barely cracked a smile. However, when it came to a topic that he had a deep down emotional connection towards, he shed tears while keeping a constant pace with relaying his message. This was the only time I saw any of my teachers cry.

    It is also very interesting to note how he very easily monetized fame, seeing the opportunity for profit straight away. I know this is a weak point, but it is a point nonetheless.

    P.S: I am not in agreement with most of his teachings. Just in case you got that impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    omg, that's him exactly.

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    Let's start with what he isn't:

    He does not have dominant Te or Ti.

    First Te, He uses many examples of studies and research, but he's an academic he should be doing that. Compare him to someone who really has ego Te like Ben Shapiro.


    Now Ti, he has a very hard time making his point in a clear and concise manner, he circles around the topic slowly getting to the point. His point I think is as clear to him as it is to us, its as if he's uncovering what he really wants to say the longer he talks.




    He is not a dominant Sensor.

    He works himself sick and he frequently showers meatheads like Joe Rogan with adulation for being so intimidating and strong and awesome. Last time I checked his diet consists of all meat, he has little to no variation of what he eats.

    What is he then?

    He exaggerates emotions to an excessively dramatic level, every time you hear him speak its as if he's preaching of fire and brimstone. Everything is magnified to the nth degree of emotion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7G7PTxqvFs

    He frequently makes himself out to be a victim, to be victimized by a group, calls people out for being aggressive to him. Whether its actually happening or not he feels comfortable to portray himself to be on the defense. This to me seems like victim behavior.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhuJEe6AqJA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTk-69f64KU


    I think he's an IEI or EIE.
    Growing up where he grew up, in rural Canada, I think will hammer out that NF-ness pretty hard. Beta NFs are beaten down in working-class cultures that are concerned with mainly making a simple practical living for themselves. What do you get when this happens? A man preaching traditional working-class values ie be practical, be hardworking, don't live in your head. He preaches this as a revolutionary movement as if he's upturning the current system. He preaches what seem like delta/gamma values like a beta would.


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