Jordan Peterson

[The Reality Denialist]

[on a peaceful hiatus]

https://youtu.be/C2jCv9A3AuA

High on extroversion, high on openess, moderately high on agreeabless (although I'm unsure about his self-assessment here. He claims he is also blunt and he's quite a controversial figure that doesn't shy away from arguments)

Yeah LIE or EIE, anything else is nonsense.

@Subteigh

[Metamorph]

I feel like all these years with so much fame have done something to him mentally. He receives a lot of praise from younger people but also probably a lot of death threats too. In general I have often wondered if it is psychologically healthy to be famous on a global scale since you get bombarded with so much information on a daily basis. It's really pretty new for humans. He also seems to have a lot of family and health issues and his Si PolR doesn't really help him very much considering how much medication he abuses and his idiotic all-meat diet which will give him a stroke in the future. Years ago he voiced some decent information on psychology but nowadays he pretty much voices his opinions on a myriad of topics and pretty much makes a fool of himself. No matter how smart you are, you will never be informed about everything and I think it's a sign of intelligence to just shut up when you have nothing to say. I can talk about socionics but I would embarrass myself when I talk about other important, complex fields [emphasis added] so it's just best to accept that and let other people talk here instead of giving younger people dangerous advice.

TIL socionics is an "important, complex field" and not some kind of parlor game.

https://youtu.be/C2jCv9A3AuA

High on extroversion, high on openess, moderately high on agreeabless (although I'm unsure about his self-assessment here. He claims he is also blunt and he's quite a controversial figure that doesn't shy away from arguments)

Yeah LIE or EIE, anything else is nonsense.

@Subteigh

Low on Opennness, he's alt-right. Probably also low on Extraversion since he's a useless neurotic wreck. The only thing right about his self-assessment is that he is neurotic but then he didn't rate himself neurotic enough.

Unironically I would probably rate him IEI and he's one of the few people you're not rating IEI. Whatever.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Unironically I would probably rate him IEI and he's one of the few people you're not rating IEI. Whatever.

I did consider IEI for him actually after some reflection. I remember a video about climate change. I felt like an optimistic, hopeful IEI was asking him the question if the issue would unite humanity, and he was harshly criticising him for his question. I'm really doubtful about him being a lyric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBf2PU_Bvog

I wish you wouldn't constantly nitpick my gallery tbh. I don't type every person as IEI, that's just really disingenuous to say. build your own gallery if your think you're so much better at typing. oh wait, you rather spend your time on conspiracies about jews. I have you on ignore in chat already. just do the same and move on. I think you are a very unpleasant, arrogant and rigid person.

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Hmmm if he is an IEI, then he's a dominant subtype with accentuated Te

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

Lmao

[on a peaceful hiatus]

>I change my profile picture and name every day
>I'm totally a rational type

[serenaeva]

ILE

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

Wow, didn't know Jordan Peterson was going to be so disagreed upon. I think he seems Ti base. Tbh, though, I just came here to see Alive type him as IEI.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

>I change my profile picture and name every day
>I'm totally a rational type

Pfft, I change it more often than that. Mr "I don't use Reinin Dichotomies"

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Pfft, I change it more often than that. Mr "I don't use Reinin Dichotomies"

I do use Reinin Dichotomies occasionally, for example Positivism/Negativism, Process/Result. I don't care about all of them, though. I just pick what makes the most sense to me and ignore the rest. Here's a a part of the rational/irrational description in Victor Gulenko's Book.

Rational posess emotional stability - the ability to maintain a state for a long time, whether positive or negative. this property makes it easy to predict their emotional reactions. They manage their status: despite a negative mood, they can force themselves to perform necessary work with proper quality, or on the contrary, despite a burning desire, to abandon what is so attractive to them. Irrational types are emotionally unstable, characterized by the variabilty of their state: their mood can change several times a day. They very much depend on the flucturations of their biorhythms. Managing their state is always a difficult problem for them: when they are on the decline, energy leaves them and work is not carried out. they have to wait for an emotional rise to catch up. Rationals do not tend to change their employment, hobbies, and social positions in society, but if they do elect to switch, it will be for a long time. Irrationals. in contrast, are quickly carried away, are inclined to change their views and activities, and find that their interests don't last long.

IEI are irrational types, ESI rational. I have no doubt in my mind which one fits you better.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

I do use Reinin Dichotomies occasionally, for example Positivism/Negativism, Process/Result. I don't care about all of them, though. I just pick what makes the most sense to me and ignore the rest. Here's a a part of the rational/irrational description in Victor DarkAngelFireWolf69's Book.

Rational posess emotional stability - the ability to maintain a state for a long time, whether positive or negative. this property makes it easy to predict their emotional reactions. They manage their status: despite a negative mood, they can force themselves to perform necessary work with proper quality, or on the contrary, despite a burning desire, to abandon what is so attractive to them. Irrational types are emotionally unstable, characterized by the variabilty of their state: their mood can change several times a day. They very much depend on the flucturations of their biorhythms. Managing their state is always a difficult problem for them: when they are on the decline, energy leaves them and work is not carried out. they have to wait for an emotional rise to catch up. Rationals do not tend to change their employment, hobbies, and social positions in society, but if they do elect to switch, it will be for a long time. Irrationals. in contrast, are quickly carried away, are inclined to change their views and activities, and find that their interests don't last long.

IEI are irrational types, ESI rational. I have no doubt in my mind which one fits you better.

Your opinion is unworthy of consideration, you don't even know me. You're just some troll. At this point I just find it funny.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Your opinion is unworthy of consideration, you don't even know me. You're just some troll. At this point I just find it funny.

I'm a troll because I quote a book written by a socionics researcher? you might want to check this out too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcis...ality_disorder

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

I'm a troll because I quote a book written by a socionics researcher? you might want to check this out too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcis...ality_disorder

I know what you're trying to do. You're just too bad at it for it to have the effects you want it to.

[Park]

I like Vaknin's description of Jordan Peterson — "master of banalities and king of cliches." I do think he is overrated and somewhat full of himself.

[lynn]

After looking a bit more into this, I think EIE-Ni-HN subtype is the most likely typing for Jordan Peterson.

[Adam Strange]

After looking a bit more into this, I think EIE-Ni-HN subtype is the most likely typing for Jordan Peterson.

@lynn, what makes you think that Jordan Peterson is EIE-Ni-HN?

[lynn]

@lynn, what makes you think that Jordan Peterson is EIE-Ni-HN?

I think he's EIE, because he's a psychology professor who combines mysticism with psychology and other scientific fields. But in fact, he's mainly a motivational speaker, who appears a bit like a preacher. He's also accused by people of "performing theatre", rather than basing his ideas on actual facts or presenting coherent logical arguments, which makes F > T more likely (EIE in particular). The evidence he provides for his reasoning is consistently bad. It's either some mystical teaching, reference to religion, or he misquotes or misapplies research findings from various scientific fields. However, he doesn't develop any scientific thought of his own. Also, he calls himself a neuroscientist, without having the credentials for this. It's a performance as well. A lot of these points are mentioned by the guy in the video posted by @Sanguine Miasma about Jordan Peterson.

In general, his personal life and his teachings don't match up lol https://twitter.com/commiejudoka/sta...985345/photo/1
He's a workaholic, his Lion's Diet, the drug addiction, etc., doesn't indicate good Si. He's actually a bit of a Si-polr stereotype. His support of hierarchies and his lobster-example (fight for dominance) excludes Alpha and Delta-quadra and seems Se-HA. While also other types are possible (I guess, NT? LIE?), he fulfils the social mission of EIE perfectly well and his logic seems most of the time flawed, even though he values it (1d-Ti), that's why I find this type the most likely at this point.

DCNH-wise, he seems to be HN or (maybe HDN, and it's his E1-ness who makes him appear more normalizing).
H: He's working in the field of psychology, drawn towards mysticism and religion. His speech is mostly long-winded explanations, not very precise. He takes forever to come to the main point (if ever).
N: He also seems disciplined and calls out for order. His overall philosophy that we need following our obligations in society, which is also reflected in his professional role as a professor (instructor/teacher) and his pull towards academia which is a highly structured environment.
But based on what he actually does, he's mainly a speaker, with a few entrepreneurial ventures on the side such as selling his books and merchandise, I guess. There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

It's interesting how many videos I've found of him crying

https://youtube.com/shorts/s4MWzgsQtPs?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/5EUZ3pKgJx4?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/zu5Z1l0n8CA?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/owldEcByzOg?feature=share

(This is just a small sample-size)

Incidentally I happen to have the photo of me with him and thought you guys might find it interesting. This would've been in late spring of 2018

Attachment 18044

From a purely physical perspective, he looks like a dominant subtype. He's also initiating, talkative, doesn't shy away from confrontations and arguments.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think he's EIE, because he's a psychology professor who combines mysticism with psychology and other scientific fields. But in fact, he's mainly a motivational speaker, who appears a bit like a preacher. He's also accused by people of "performing theatre", rather than basing his ideas on actual facts or presenting coherent logical arguments, which makes F > T more likely (EIE in particular). The evidence he provides for his reasoning is consistently bad. It's either some mystical teaching, reference to religion, or he misquotes or misapplies research findings from various scientific fields. However, he doesn't develop any scientific thought of his own. Also, he calls himself a neuroscientist, without having the credentials for this. It's a performance as well. A lot of these points are mentioned by the guy in the video posted by @Sanguine Miasma about Jordan Peterson.

In general, his personal life and his teachings don't match up lol https://twitter.com/commiejudoka/sta...985345/photo/1
He's a workaholic, his Lion's Diet, the drug addiction, etc., doesn't indicate good Si. He's actually a bit of a Si-polr stereotype. His support of hierarchies and his lobster-example (fight for dominance) excludes Alpha and Gamma-quadra and seems Se-HA. While also other types are possible (I guess, NT? LIE?), he fulfils the social mission of EIE perfectly well and his logic seems most of the time flawed, even though he values it (1d-Ti), that's why I find this type the most likely at this point.

DCNH-wise, he seems to be HN or (maybe HDN, and it's his E1-ness who makes him appear more normalizing).
H: He's working in the field of psychology, drawn towards mysticism and religion. His speech is mostly long-winded explanations, not very precise. He takes forever to come to the main point (if ever).
N: He also seems disciplined and calls out for order. His overall philosophy that we need following our obligations in society, which is also reflected in his professional role as a professor (instructor/teacher) and his pull towards academia which is a highly structured environment.
But based on what he actually does, he's mainly a speaker, with a few entrepreneurial ventures on the side such as selling his books and merchandise, I guess. There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

The problem with Peterson is that he has never sat down to actually study hard sciences. It is sort of must if you want to be even hobbyist in it. Yes, I have seen some students "interested" in science in similar manner before (I don't say that they are identicals). The truth is that they never seem to pass the exams. There needs to be some sort of humility present to overcome the Dunning-Kruger effect. It is sort of amazing how far he went in the academia (I suppose it is/was doable in psych).

[Adam Strange]

I think he's EIE, because he's a psychology professor who combines mysticism with psychology and other scientific fields. But in fact, he's mainly a motivational speaker, who appears a bit like a preacher. He's also accused by people of "performing theatre", rather than basing his ideas on actual facts or presenting coherent logical arguments, which makes F > T more likely (EIE in particular). The evidence he provides for his reasoning is consistently bad. It's either some mystical teaching, reference to religion, or he misquotes or misapplies research findings from various scientific fields. However, he doesn't develop any scientific thought of his own. Also, he calls himself a neuroscientist, without having the credentials for this. It's a performance as well. A lot of these points are mentioned by the guy in the video posted by @Sanguine Miasma about Jordan Peterson.

In general, his personal life and his teachings don't match up lol https://twitter.com/commiejudoka/sta...985345/photo/1
He's a workaholic, his Lion's Diet, the drug addiction, etc., doesn't indicate good Si. He's actually a bit of a Si-polr stereotype. His support of hierarchies and his lobster-example (fight for dominance) excludes Alpha and Delta-quadra and seems Se-HA. While also other types are possible (I guess, NT? LIE?), he fulfils the social mission of EIE perfectly well and his logic seems most of the time flawed, even though he values it (1d-Ti), that's why I find this type the most likely at this point.

DCNH-wise, he seems to be HN or (maybe HDN, and it's his E1-ness who makes him appear more normalizing).
H: He's working in the field of psychology, drawn towards mysticism and religion. His speech is mostly long-winded explanations, not very precise. He takes forever to come to the main point (if ever).
N: He also seems disciplined and calls out for order. His overall philosophy that we need following our obligations in society, which is also reflected in his professional role as a professor (instructor/teacher) and his pull towards academia which is a highly structured environment.
But based on what he actually does, he's mainly a speaker, with a few entrepreneurial ventures on the side such as selling his books and merchandise, I guess. There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

A tour de force of an analysis, and I’m convinced.

[Metamorph]

I like Vaknin's description of Jordan Peterson — "master of banalities and king of cliches." I do think he is overrated and somewhat full of himself.

Jordan Peterson is like Joe Rogan but with more academic credentials and no DMT obsession. I think people mostly watch him for the guests.

[Park]

Rogan > Peterson

[welcometomania]

LSI

[Lilli98]

In general, his personal life and his There are no C-subtype-traits in his behavior and movement, which interestingly also coincides with his goal of preserving the status quo, his conservative values and his fear of chaos, etc.

What do you mean by the "movement part"?

[lynn]

What do you mean by the "movement part"?

I meant physical movement/body language... I noticed to late that it's awkwardly worded.

When he's talking he sometimes has a rigid posture, but he often has a "self-submerged", relaxed look which shows up and seems like his primary mode. C-subtypes behave differently.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

Every therapist ever gets typed as an EIE. Gee, wonder why. Maybe because they're literally trained to speak using certain language.

[godslave]

This guy gives might have an Idea about his enneagram Type...

[Rusal]

I just made a thread on the subtypes and the writer conveniently mentions Peterson. This is what he has to say:

​The manifestation of temperament in distant subtypes can be tricky to detect. Being distant makes them appear low energy, seemingly not showing any type of expected activity. For example, N-EIE may spend days philosophizing about the folly of human nature in a calm manner (I’m looking at you, Jordan Peterson), and all is well while their views are accepted by their interlocutor. So, where is the temperament? A distant Linear-Assertive subtype may not even show any of the displays that we might expect from a typical Linear-Assertive type. Jordan Peterson might even appear as a Balanced-Stable thoughtful scholar at times. How can this be? Well, to see the manifestation of temperament, you need to introduce some sort of disruptive trigger from the external environment. Just try to pick a fight with Jordan Peterson and you will quickly see his LA emerge and be unleashed on a poor interviewer:

[Bethanyclaire]

I don’t know much about this bloke apart from the fact that some women I admire think it could be a red flag if a man admires him..actually someone I dated kept mentioning him, he wasn’t a bad guy but he seemed a bit vulnerable and like he wasn’t sure how to connect with a woman..and slightly devious, just slightly.

[timber]

This guy gives might have an Idea about his enneagram Type...

I'm Canadian and familier with Gabor. What would you type him?

[timber]

I don’t know much about this bloke apart from the fact that some women I admire think it could be a red flag if a man admires him..actually someone I dated kept mentioning him, he wasn’t a bad guy but he seemed a bit vulnerable and like he wasn’t sure how to connect with a woman..and slightly devious, just slightly.

Why not form your own opinions?

[godslave]

I'm Canadian and familier with Gabor. What would you type him?

I was just jokingly saying that Gabor Maté might have typed Peterson Enneagram 9 had he knew Enneagram and/or been asked about it. He basically said in that video that Peterson have anger issues which is the Theme of the Gut Types. Like I said I was just kidding.
Now, about Gabor Maté Type, I'm not very familiar with him and his work but He seems like an EII to me, this is my first guess. I might investigate about his Type a little bit further because he seems like a very interesting person and I kinda feel some affinities towards him in terms of way of thinking.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think Gabor Mate is an EII. People need not to be changed but they need to become who they actually are. That's an EII phrase right there.

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Gabor Mate - IEI-N

[Bethanyclaire]

Why not form your own opinions?

I think I know just about enough now..(he’s annoying )I worry about men admiring people like him. I don’t know how much I need to know about him? I don’t really fall for guys who have right wing/radical views. I think people like him prey on vulnerable people. I’m reading a book about the phenomenon of ‘soft boys’ atm, and the writer mentions this guy. I’m kinda fascinated by this idea of men ‘weaponising’ self awareness, and using it to gain advantage with women. The guy I dated was kinda sleazy but really seemed to think he was a gent. I worry a bit that he has some unrealistic expectations of relationships..like he thinks a woman needs to put his emotional needs before hers- and he’ll end up in a bad ITR due to that? Or just not become close to someone. We weren’t compatible..but he seemed a bit too comfortable in himself/his free spirited life style..but he didn’t seem fulfilled. And he seemed to think that I wanted to be ‘teased’, ‘guided’ or misled..maybe some women like a bit of that but I wouldn’t really call it ‘mature’. And in return expected more affection? Attention seeking rather than connection? I missed out on dating when young so I’m no expert but those are my thoughts atm.

I kinda do wanna read the thread though..the fact that he intrigues men is interesting

[Manatroid92]

I think I know just about enough now..(he’s annoying )I worry about men admiring people like him. I don’t know how much I need to know about him? I don’t really fall for guys who have right wing/radical views. I think people like him prey on vulnerable people. I’m reading a book about the phenomenon of ‘soft boys’ atm, and the writer mentions this guy. I’m kinda fascinated by this idea of men ‘weaponising’ self awareness, and using it to gain advantage with women. The guy I dated was kinda sleazy but really seemed to think he was a gent. I worry a bit that he has some unrealistic expectations of relationships..like he thinks a woman needs to put his emotional needs before hers- and he’ll end up in a bad ITR due to that? Or just not become close to someone. We weren’t compatible..but he seemed a bit too comfortable in himself/his free spirited life style..but he didn’t seem fulfilled. And he seemed to think that I wanted to be ‘teased’, ‘guided’ or misled..maybe some women like a bit of that but I wouldn’t really call it ‘mature’. And in return expected more affection? Attention seeking rather than connection? I missed out on dating when young so I’m no expert but those are my thoughts atm.

I kinda do wanna read the thread though..the fact that he intrigues men is interesting

Ironically most of the stuff he as written that actually helps men is just general self-help (that could be gotten anywhere) with some Christian and weird Freudian stuff added as spice.
I don't know if he's really written much outside of that, but you're right to be a little apprehensive of men who idolize him: at best they're fans who genuinely don't know or understand what he does outside of writing self-help, and at worst, well...I'm sure you already know.

[godslave]

I think he's a brilliant man no doubt... BUT he has emerged at the right Time at the right moment because this Zeitgeist called for it. This mist where people got lost, created a demand from his clientele which he offered. The devaluation of "Gentleman-hood " (I mean it in its most noble way) because of some kind of revolution which is reminiscent of ancient Epic tales with the Rise of the Amazons and all that Phallic war "The Phallus is me !". He seduced folks from all sides but it's true that his book and speeches have been revered and hijacked by Men on the other side of "the cause".

JP is depicting a world of which he is the Hero. He has overcome every obstacle life throws at him. Every victory being a glorious one, every battle is Epic and of Titanic proportion. He is the messenger, the illuminated. He's the Hero who will bring things to equilibrium and Tame Nature itself ! This is how he comes across to a lot of people who took his bait. He has built a niche of which he is the Queen Bee. People follow him because He talked a Talk that he has walked, at least this is how he presented it with his victim narrative. I was weak, Now I'm strong ! Follow me and you'll be strong too ! And people go "Yeah !!". It's human nature , in time of instability and frustration people look for heroes. JP has declared war to adversity ! Life is a ferocious beast, it's ugly that's its true nature revealed JP. All the prophets said the same thing, and JP invokes their names : Jung ! Machiavelli ! Freud ! Dostoevsky ! And JP learned, and JP spreaded and JP incarnated ! There are leaders, and there are followers. "Write your own Gamebook ! (in my own Image)" is the essence of his message. Where there is a will, there is a way ! If you are willing to sacrifice everything for it !

If after watching the video above you think that he has not a EIE TIM, think again...

[Bethanyclaire]

Ironically most of the stuff he as written that actually helps men is just general self-help (that could be gotten anywhere) with some Christian and weird Freudian stuff added as spice.
I don't know if he's really written much outside of that, but you're right to be a little apprehensive of men who idolize him: at best they're fans who genuinely don't know or understand what he does outside of writing self-help, and at worst, well...I'm sure you already know.

yh and of course I can empathise with men wanting to learn about psychology/pop psychology. And he does have something vulnerable seeming about him..I think we’re living in a time when men want to be more in touch with their emotions, but there still aren’t enough good role models/ spaces for men to work on this side of themselves. People like JP can seem like they have all the answers.

and women need to be mindful of men being kinda ‘half-enlightened’, or projecting an image of being more emotionally intelligent than they actually are (or have become). Because it can just be another way to control/dominate said women- ‘look, I’m so emotionally intelligent, why don’t you listen to me, why don’t you respect me’..and women who still tend to have the natural edge when it comes to emotional intelligence are all like ‘but he seemed so nice at first!’

[The Reality Denialist]

Ironically most of the stuff he as written that actually helps men is just general self-help (that could be gotten anywhere) with some Christian and weird Freudian stuff added as spice.
I don't know if he's really written much outside of that, but you're right to be a little apprehensive of men who idolize him: at best they're fans who genuinely don't know or understand what he does outside of writing self-help, and at worst, well...I'm sure you already know.

Someone has actually said it. It is enlightening to hear his speech. I'm paying mainly for that.
Then you listen more them. Although it is nice to hear him I do not really like the way he has made into a business and how he markets his family as if it the center of the universe. The content is also one sided pathos.