Jordan Peterson

[Computer Loser]

EIE

[Aylen]

LIE-C. come on guys, it's not that hard.

So basically you can't make a case for base Te without DCNH... Is that what you're saying?

This is the wrong way to type someone. DCNH should come after the base is established. How is he logic > ethics?

[The Reality Denialist]

After I did Jordan's and Ra's HD charts awhile back, I lean toward EIE now too.

Nice lotsa hard work. I just assumed that after Hi-Ho-tler moved to dark side of the moon and was getting pretty pissed at being stuck so he snatched Jordan Peterson's soul and here we are. Yet another dead end. Wannabe artist politician->suicidal, wannabe philosopher psychologist ->drug addict.

[Tallmo]

I've been thinking LIE but now when I see all those EIE typings I'm starting to change my mind...

I think C subtype is obvious though, and xIE type

[ashlesha]

I've been thinking LIE but now when I see all those EIE typings I'm starting to change my mind...

^

[on a peaceful hiatus]

So basically you can't make a case for base Te without DCNH... Is that what you're saying?

This is the wrong way to type someone. DCNH should come after the base is established. How is he logic > ethics?

I never think about the DCNH subtype first. he sees individualism as the most important thing, to the point that he absolutely despises beta collectivism. he constantly criticizes Beta NF SJW culture. many people compare him to Ayn Rand, another LIE. a lot of his arguments are based on studies and statistics. he almost always wears a suit and rarely changes his appearance. blows my mind that so many people see him as EIE when he debated Zizek, who is an actual EIE. it really blows my mind that most people type him as EIE considering that he is such a public figure with strong values. and sometimes I wonder why I even bother to research people for hours when there's rarely an agreement on even obvious types.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

(I wrote the message on my phone so my anwers is kind pof a mess. this website is a pain to use)

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I would say most people are probably not looking particularly deeply into a person, unless it catches their interest. So perhaps superficial typing
nothing necessarily “wrong” with it, I do it myself. But yeah.

can you expound more on “beta NF sjw” some people seem to think the phenomenon is quite Fi

maybe at a later time. I'm busy for the whole weekend and writing messages on my phone is just annoying. (that's the reason why my answer sounds so direct)

[Not A Communist Shill]

Oh...BTW, JP does mention how he sees himself in BIG 5. I forgot about it, but here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2jCv9A3AuA, which roughly and simply comes out to

JP seeing himself as
*high in extroversion
*higher in neuroticism
*relates a lot more to agreeable
*conscientious
*higher in openness

And um, I recall a thread on typology central discussing what each MBTI dimension would correlate to for BIG 5. Being that - https://personalityjunkie.com/08/per...iggs-big-five/


So roughly, that would make him out as ENFJ in MBTI. And I know there is disagreement about how Socionics and MBTI differ or are similar, but I'm from the point of view that the extroverted types correlate fairly well compared to the introverted types, mainly because of how MBTI describes the J/P dimension.

So just an "analysis" or whatever, but I find that kind of interesting, given the argument that 4 out of the 5 dimensions of BIG 5 are actually Jungian dimensions, whether we are talking about Socionics or MBTI.

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[Computer Loser]

SJW culture is not beta since beta is collectivist and betas want everyone to be moving in a similar direction. Fi is tied to individualism and Te is there to "protect" that individualism.

Jordan Peterson talks about the reality of the collective myths underpinning our human narrative, and suggests a direction for society to move towards as a whole

[timber]

I just don't see gamma here.

What he is doing is not really Te, its Ti with a ton of intuition. Any Te you see in him in a reflection of his Canadian upbringing. Everyone here has a no-nonsense, get it done type of attitude and approach to life. Could be a part of why per capita we have the highest wealth middle class on the continent?

Ti + Ne + Ni with lots of suggestive sensing.

[timber]

Dostoyevsky comes to mind after a couple hour binge. Maps of meaning in context of Fi, white personal ethics, the nuances of inter-personal relationships with the creative use of Ne - connections and hidden meanings, often using Christian religion and current scientific discoveries, in regards to personal potential and growth. Both the individual, her family, and society at large.

The individual is very confident in evaluating the ethical or moral qualities, and their consistency, of other people. This makes the individual seem "judgemental" or "self-righteous" to people less so inclined. If he has difficulty in deciding the status of a personal relationship, he will take action to try to reach a conclusion but if that continues to elude him, he will regard the relationship as not worth it. His own sense of constancy in personal ethics and in his relationships with others is a very strong factor in his sense of self-worth.

The higher feelings of this kind can be called ethical, because relationships between people's needs are mainly regulated by ethical normals.

The individual likes to apply his insight to specific situations, relating them to the bigger picture. He also enjoys discussing idealized circumstances or what could be rather than what is. Consequently, he usually has high standards, even unreasonably so, for those around him.
He does not pursue ideas or new opportunities merely for their own sake, but for their application to specific questions and issues that he feels are important.

That he is often emotional is superfluous information. Sensitive individuals with high empathy are often this way. Especially if they have some history to draw from and remain open to displaying feelings. For a professional psychologist and counsellor, this is not a bad trait to have. In fact its even helpful.

["Having so many people come into the office, man, its like being in a Dostoyevsky novel. Its so cool. You get to see the entire gamut of humanity right in front of you. And the things people say and are, its so interesting." - Petterson]

["Not living up to your potential is a crime" - Petterson]

The kinaesthetic also fits.

I have heard it said INFj is the auditor of the entire Socion. Finding meaning and sense and enjoyment from Petterson does not say anything about your own type. His messages are Universal, and would apply to anyone anywhere. I just can't see anything else fitting in light of much of what he talks about and thinks and feels.

[timber]

Further, in regards to EIE typings, consider the following statement:

as an ignoring (7th) function (ESE and EIE)

This is manifested as a skepticism about, or reluctance to decide on, the status of a deeper personal bond in a relationship between two individuals in the absence of signs in external emotional expression that should reflect that status. For instance, the individual will be inclined to regard as "loveless" or lukewarm the relationship of a couple who do not obviously display their mutual affection and remain rather subdued in their emotions in the presence of others.
The individual understands discussions or explorations of one's own inner feelings regarding other individuals but finds them less interesting and relevant than those focusing on one's emotional state in the same situation.

This is NOT how Jordan thinks. Actually, he welcomes discussion, and analysis of deeper personal bonds between people in context of their status as a relationship.
-Dads are this way with their sons and daughters.
-Because she is his wife this means x.
-An employer has unspoken responsibility to his employees for y.
-The family unit is powerful and complex
-And so on.

All these statements are also examples of field white ethics. Who relates to who and why and what does that mean for all involved. Regardless, or even including, the external emotional expression that follows.

Finally, Jordan is all about exploration of his inner feelings regarding other individuals and society and clearly finds those discussions meaningful and worth his time. Worth the majority of the time, actually, if you view his video material at length. He will also discuss his emotional state, as well as focus on them, but I think it is part of the package more so with the exploration of one's inner monologue, dialogue. ect.

I do not think Fi is in his ignoring function block.

As always I could be wrong.

[eiemo]

EIE-Ni

[on a peaceful hiatus]

found this short clip that pretty much clearly showcases dominant Te

https://youtu.be/1UhdQud45p4

I work 14 hours a day, I can't rest, I need to work as efficiently as possible

also shows his rationality and talkative EJ temperament. I wish typing people was always as easy as this

[WVBRY]

SJW culture is not beta since beta is collectivist and betas want everyone to be moving in a similar direction. Fi is tied to individualism and Te is there to "protect" that individualism.

Jordan Peterson talks about the reality of the collective myths underpinning our human narrative, and suggests a direction for society to move towards as a whole

While I think it's reductionistic to say that a sociocultural phenomenon is this or that type, I do think there are alot of beta NFs pushing SJW culture. The movement is very collectivistic.

That said, obviously not all beta collectivism is gonna take on the cultural mantle of SJW culture. It can take any form, really. You also have betas like Macron or Anton Lavey who believe/d in individualism in their personal values, but speak more like leaders of collective movements than what I believe socionics speaks of when it speaks of individualism, which is, like you say, people doing their own thing.

As far as Peterson goes, I do think LIE is likely.

[squark]

I don't think the man is logical, and I think he has Si polr. The drugs, his atrocious diet that he couldn't even tell was making him sicker (probably still doesn't know it) just a total disconnect from his own body.

[Northstar]

While I think it's reductionistic to say that a sociocultural phenomenon is this or that type, I do think there are alot of beta NFs pushing SJW culture. The movement is very collectivistic.

I doubt it, the SJW competition of who is being oppressed the most doesn't fit the beta quadra, it's pretty much the opposite.

[squark]

The interview with McConaghey was good. Interesting, and brought up point about people not living up to their own message that some folks were complaining about in that other thread re Jordan. Peterson says that in his lectures he's talking to himself too. When he says "we" he really means we, and includes himself. Anyway, I liked it, good stuff from both of them, and it was a contrast watching them together. Jordan just seems so sad, so sad and serious the way he comes across.

[Computer Loser]

The interview with McConaghey was good. Interesting, and brought up point about people not living up to their own message that some folks were complaining about in that other thread re Jordan. Peterson says that in his lectures he's talking to himself too. When he says "we" he really means we, and includes himself. Anyway, I liked it, good stuff from both of them, and it was a contrast watching them together. Jordan just seems so sad, so sad and serious the way he comes across.

i think depression often helps people see reality for what it really is, which then feeds back into the depression in a vicious cycle unfortunately

[Nobody]

12 MORE RULEZ

[ILoveChinchillas]

He's an ILI Enneagram 1.

[ouronis]

aight

[Vis]

More likely IEI. Ni explosion. Effective Fe speech. Ti confidence. Fragile physique and tragic victim style. However I cannot completely exclude EIE. So either IEI-Fe or EIE-Ni

Do not agree with some of his political views and think his rationales are flawed. But he's a savior for beta ST men's mental and spiritual health.

[Tarnished]

Though Robert Downey look clearly alot more extrovert, their face and expression somehow look similar? At first I thought he's LSI, but Beta NF seem fit better, EIE - N I guess?

[Lycantrope]

He tries to act like an IEI in search of something but I believe he is a disturbed LIE

[Ocean Man]

EIE-D. In most of his videos, he often unironically talks of his "Beta Complex of Subservience" and themes of who is a master and who is a slave etc.

[Lycantrope]

I doubt it, the SJW competition of who is being oppressed the most doesn't fit the beta quadra, it's pretty much the opposite.

actually, it does, a woman pissing on the picture of the president in the middle of the street seems very beta to me. There are punk betas and conservative betas. At the end of the day most people fighting are all betas and gammas while alphas and deltas are just trying to chill

[Averroes]

EIE. Seems too philosophical and melodramatic for an LIE.

-Lots of extremely subjective/idiosyncratic takes on people's motivations, the psychological underpinnings of our cultural zeitgeist, and what it means to live a fulfilling life that make sense in a narrow way (Ni + Ti Valuing)

-spends a lot of time talking about his ideal, strong, powerful str8 male that he’s not really exemplary of (Se-HA)

[RBRS]

ExE

[Northstar]

actually, it does, I woman pissing on the picture of the president in the middle of the street seems very beta to me. There are punk betas and conservative betas. At the end of the day most people fighting are all betas and gammas while alphas and deltas are just trying to chill

maybe. I’m no longer convinced quadras are even a thing

[AWellArmedCat]

I've always thought he was LIE, but after reading everyone's posts here, I can see the argument for EIE. I think it's very clear that he is Ni ego, and probably creative at that.

I get so depressed talking about him though. I used to be a huge fan of his before he got super big and at least during the earlier months of his fame, but I feel embarrassed bringing up how much of a fanboy of his I used to be these days.

For what it's worth, back when I was using MBTI (and before his fame) and first discovered his Maps of Meaning lectures I always assumed he was INFJ like how I typed myself. As he got more popular he seemed more and more ENTJ to me. Anymore it's hard to say

[hellohellohello]

I think he's an Introverted Thinking type, but with Extraverted Sensation, so LSI (?). However, he has a very high IQ and I think that's why people tend to type him as an Intuitive type. I find it funny that the people he is bashing are the ones that treat him as some sort of demigod. He's the "smart person" for stupid people.

[Adam Strange]

I've always thought he was LIE, but after reading everyone's posts here, I can see the argument for EIE. I think it's very clear that he is Ni ego, and probably creative at that.

I get so depressed talking about him though. I used to be a huge fan of his before he got super big and at least during the earlier months of his fame, but I feel embarrassed bringing up how much of a fanboy of his I used to be these days.

For what it's worth, back when I was using MBTI (and before his fame) and first discovered his Maps of Meaning lectures I always assumed he was INFJ like how I typed myself. As he got more popular he seemed more and more ENTJ to me. Anymore it's hard to say

When I first saw one of his videos (on this site, actually), I said that he sounded a lot like the way I think, and he might be LIE. But the pedantry! My god. No LIE that I know does that. He's a guy who lives by Rules.
Rules for Every. Fucking. Little. Thing.

He looks ILI to me, but @hellohellohello might be right about him being LSI, IDK.

[AWellArmedCat]

He's a guy who lives by Rules.

Preaches, for sure... lives by...?

[AWellArmedCat]

Incidentally I happen to have the photo of me with him and thought you guys might find it interesting. This would've been in late spring of 2018

Me_JP-min - Copy.jpg

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Incidentally I happen to have the photo of me with him and thought you guys might find it interesting. This would've been in late spring of 2018

Me_JP-min - Copy.jpg

One values Fe, the other does not. And yeah, he preaches rules, but when I look at his own life and decisions, I only see an addicted sad man who talks too much. His daughter is also pretty much a nutcase. I can respect some of his opinions, but he isn't really an ideal for young people.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I feel like all these years with so much fame have done something to him mentally. He receives a lot of praise from younger people but also probably a lot of death threats too. In general I have often wondered if it is psychologically healthy to be famous on a global scale since you get bombarded with so much information on a daily basis. It's really pretty new for humans. He also seems to have a lot of family and health issues and his Si PolR doesn't really help him very much considering how much medication he abuses and his idiotic all-meat diet which will give him a stroke in the future. Years ago he voiced some decent information on psychology but nowadays he pretty much voices his opinions on a myriad of topics and pretty much makes a fool of himself. No matter how smart you are, you will never be informed about everything and I think it's a sign of intelligence to just shut up when you have nothing to say. I can talk about socionics but I would embarrass myself when I talk about other important, complex fields so it's just best to accept that and let other people talk here instead of giving younger people dangerous advice.

[Rusal]

LSIs find themselves a good place in a hierarchy because, although there must exist some variety of how the IEs perform in different LSIs if we apply DCNH, they have Ne polr and Fe suggestive. Peterson goes against this not only by the career he chose but what can be sensed about him: I once watched a piece of media with him in it speaking about Mulholland Drive, and Ne polr unlikely to be drawn or have the patience for something dealing with tenderness and guilt in oniric form. Moreover LSI is more prone, more than any other type, to only be attracted to more ‘cheesy’ storylines in entertainment because they truly cannot see people for the individual they are (otherwise they would not have the inclination to dominate and put themselves above others) but rather as cogs in a superficial machine that they think it’s all that exists, aka, Fe suggestive. Case in point: I had an LSI once tell me he didn't understand why people needed to get therapy, why didn't they just go to bed and decide to be more positive the following day and there!, there’s your ‘cure’. That's Ne polr + stable IJ temperament + ‘the most enduring type of the Socion’. Contrast that to a video of Peterson around the time of his problems with pills to treat anxiety (that right there is a red flag for the LSI typing or would be in many cases) with him speaking with depressed bloodshot eyes to the camera. Nothing conclusive, but these bits and pieces of him detract from LSI typing irrespective of IQ. High IQ LSI are going to be doing something in the technical field, not really that much people-focused and the ones that are less like the shallow robot I just described are subtyped and raised to not be totally reclusive, show minimum cordiality and display better social skills, at least before they drop the ax on you for going against them or, rather, their dominant position or where they decided to draw the line/call the shots.

[hellohellohello]

My final typing for him would be SLE-C with SLE-N being a very, very close second. For being my mirror, he is such a moody fuck.