View Poll Results: type of Jordan Peterson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by strangeling View Post
    Oh, I just looked up his thoughts on gender.

    He seems to think gender is a social contract, more akin to a performance that people agree on. He focuses on gender expression and temperament to explain gender differences. And thinks you can have feminine men and masculine women and that gender is created and molded on a social level. So he uses that reasoning to imply gender dysphoria and gender identity don't really exist. It just sounds like another person that doesn't understand the severe dysphoria trans people feel. And yeah, that sounds very "Fe".

    And I honestly don't get it. Why do people like him feel so offended by other people wanting to live authentically? I mean, they will go through each and every way to reason against gender dysphoria being a real thing. I mean wow; it's so bizarre. I guess that's how homosexuals must have felt in like the 60s or something.
    I don't know what exactly gender dysphoria feels like... but I'm also not seeing why gender being a social construct (a social construct does exist for it beyond the biology) would preclude gender dysphoria from existing.

    I do think gender identity exists with several components to it. The abstract feeling (emotionally, sortof... Fe?) of being one gender isn't the same as the sensation of one's own body (including its sex), let alone the same as the body image one has of one's own body (including its sex). I can imagine how that can create distress if there is mismatch between any of those components. I can imagine it being upsetting, not feeling good in one's own body. Maybe this isn't what gender dysphoria is about though, I don't know about its exact mechanisms.

    Now if the dysphoria is simply about feeling like one isn't treated "well" according to their real gender identity that has no physical proof, I will be just as non-understanding of it as Peterson lol sorry I just do find it stupid. If one does care to the point of getting their body changed, okay, then fine, they'll be easily treated accordingly to the new physical appearance, but if they don't bother doing that, then shut up and don't cry. It just seems like roleplaying to me at that point. Can't expect others to accommodate that if the person isn't bothered to do anything themselves to change their appearance accordingly. Feel free to correct me on any of the concepts though, like I said, I have not read up enough on the topic.
    Last edited by Myst; 05-02-2018 at 09:52 AM.

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