Quote Originally Posted by Fay View Post
let's say the person generally struggles with discipline and often procrastinates. The person needs a lot of external motivation to move and becomes restless when is forced to deal with too much datas, papers, schedules, timelines or is in a position of an authority because is generallly unable to organize his enviroment. Let's also say that the person is generally lazy and find it hard to act unless he is moved by a strong idea or ideal but as soon as there are unpleasant or repetetive elements in the work the person looses interest.
If they struggle with discipline and procrastination, then they are feeling compelled to do something by some outside force rather than by their own choice. Or they might be feeling incompetent in the tasks they are feeling compelled to do.

If all there is is external motivators being applied, then that actually decreases the motivation to do the task (even when external motivators are applied to an enjoyable/desirable task, the EM actually wind up demotivating the person from doing it).

In this case you list data, papers, schedules, timelines, organization (of time and space), being in a position of authority (held responsible). So basically, this person prefers to deal with generalities rather than details/specifics. So, not STj.

I'm usually hesitant to describe someone else as lazy as that usually ignores the kinds of things that they DO do in favor of focusing on things someone else wants them to do. For example, I call myself lazy. I don't do all the things I 'should' do. But I do do a lot of things I 'want' to do or enjoy doing, or am interested/curious about, etc. My SO doesn't think I'm lazy because I'm always mentally active in something, if not initiating some new idea.

There is also a difference between maintaining energy levels vs cycling between high energy output and recovery periods. The former will accuse the latter of being lazy during recovery periods and demand a consistent high energy output. However, stereotypically mbti... consistently maintained energy refers to j types while the cyclical energy refers to p types.

The problem here, Fay, is that you're describing behavior that doesn't correlate very well to types of information (socionics). You are describing behaviors without much information-processing related context/content, and which can be more easily attributed to other aspects of personality rather than socionics.