Could I be SLE? LOL

[Myst]

Academic success is as much about ambition and drive as it is about intelligence. In school I could've easily of of gotten straight A's in nearly everything if I actually turned in all my work and studied.

How do you know if you haven't tried?

And yes, where intelligence plays into it is how much time you need to spend to achieve academic success. It's quite an important factor in terms of that and studies do find strong correlations between IQ and that, though you are right that just from the fact of someone having gotten grade A's you can't backtrace it unambiguously to intelligence. Unless it's academic success going well beyond grade A's in high school which is rather easy to do compared to meeting challenges with flying colours in certain subjects at quality enough universities.

With enough determination, anyone who is not mentally impaired is capable of achieving a high level degree, although they would struggle much more then someone who is naturally intelligent.

That's true as long as the standards allow enough room for you to make up for the lack of intelligence. Say, if you can only fail at a certain comprehensive exam twice before they kick you out of university, that's a restriction on such space to move around.

Intelligence in itself is very subjective. As we know here in socionics someone who is a genius in working with math is more often then not a complete dumbass in knowing how to interact with people. We have limited time and capacity to develop skills so we must favor some things over others. The best measure of intelligence is how easily you learn a variety of new information compared to other people.

Yeah, that would be the concept of the so called general intelligence factor, though when that is measured only certain types of information are taken into account. Social skills are not typically factored in.

That said, I think OP should just make one massive end-all post explaining everything that does and doesn't fit with EIE. Maybe also throw in your views about the functions, how you relate to the types, what misconceptions other members have of you that you would like to clarify, etc.

That would be cool even if time-consuming.

[Muddy]

How do you know if you haven't tried?

Because I didn't even turn in a lot of my homework at all because of laziness. Even then I still got mostly A's and B's with the occasional C, which would of been better obviously if I turned in all my work. I usually aced the in-class test themselves without problem. I'm still quite young however and have only completed high school, so admittedly I can't say for myself how difficult high level universities are.


I'm not necessarily trying to say SL, mega or anyone else who has a degree isn't smart of course. I would imagine there is minimum intelligence threshold one must past for such places, and definitely do think there exist a correlation between someone's IQ and the highest level of education achieved. But, I would argue having a high amount of determination can make up for a lot of lacking intelligence, enough to be able to make most people be able to pass all but the very most difficult of courses. Therefore I think it is pointless to try to use academic degrees as a way of determining who is smarter than who. You can be in the top 1% IQ percentile range but still have no college degrees simply because you dislike school or don't see the need.

[inumbra]

you are def an ethical type, SL, and probably an extrovert (?)... and Se/Ni valuing... (imo)

[Myst]

Because I didn't even turn in a lot of my homework at all because of laziness. Even then I still got mostly A's and B's with the occasional C, which would of been better obviously if I turned in all my work. I usually aced the in-class test themselves without problem. I'm still quite young however and have only completed high school, so admittedly I can't say for myself how difficult high level universities are.


I'm not necessarily trying to say SL, mega or anyone else who has a degree isn't smart of course. I would imagine there is minimum intelligence threshold one must past for such places, and definitely do think there exist a correlation between someone's IQ and the highest level of education achieved. But, I would argue having a high amount of determination can make up for a lot of lacking intelligence, enough to be able to make most people be able to pass all but the very most difficult of courses. Therefore I think it is pointless to try to use academic degrees as a way of determining who is smarter than who. You can be in the top 1% IQ percentile range but still have no college degrees simply because you dislike school or don't see the need.

You are placing different emphasis on factors compared to me but sure I already said how from e.g. an average college degree you cannot deduce high intelligence with absolute certainty. I don't see the need to discuss further trivia about this topic...

Going by your quick reactivity towards people taking the piss out of you it would suggest Se leading.

Lol no it's not exclusive to Se leading.

Tho' I see you are aware of how EIEs too can do stuff like that.

[Suomea]

Answer: No

[ScarlettLux]

Just wanted to make a point about something before I forgot.. I may have said this before in a post but can't remember

I have this weird thing about needing validation constantly from loved ones.. particularly boyfriends.. I'm all about getting that over the top emotional expression from someone. I was reading the SLEs feeling insecure due to weak thread and I related a lot to it. I question the state of relationships or bonds if I'm not shown overt displays of affection. I also tend to ask people constantly about what kind of person I am, if I am a good person or not.. because I really doubt myself often. I also have a problem with burning bridges and being extremely reactive to any displays of negativity or aggression and fighting back against it. I am the farthest thing from "tactful" I guess you could say, but I am working to improve this.

I also have stated this in previous threads about me being SEE, and how in relationships, I really like feeling "ownership" over the person.. I always makes jokes about training the guy like a puppy.. lol. In romantic situations, I definitely relate most to being the Aggressor, the initiator.

IRL I am quite an attention whore tbh.. I love having others compete for my time, I like feeling needed, popular, etc.. I care a lot about my social standing and part in the community and like to involve myself in positions of power.

[Myst]

Just wanted to make a point about something before I forgot.. I may have said this before in a post but can't remember

I have this weird thing about needing validation constantly from loved ones.. particularly boyfriends.. I'm all about getting that over the top emotional expression from someone. I was reading the SLEs feeling insecure due to weak thread and I related a lot to it. I question the state of relationships or bonds if I'm not shown overt displays of affection.

Well I would have a problem with it too and this is simply the Fe valuing, IMO. Though in my case it's not about constantly questioning the state of the relationship because I can judge that by other means. But as soon as I feel like we are at a point with someone in a romantic relationship where the distance should be more reduced than the fixed distance I default to if Fe-wise things are not ok to me, I will have a problem, will question if things are actually ok. I don't feel doubtful for long though, I eventually decide things are wrong and drop the whole thing forever.

How exactly does it play out for you is what would say more about your type.

But it does not sound like your dual is an ILI

I also have stated this in previous threads about me being SEE, and how in relationships, I really like feeling "ownership" over the person.. I always makes jokes about training the guy like a puppy.. lol. In romantic situations, I definitely relate most to being the Aggressor, the initiator.

IRL I am quite an attention whore tbh.. I love having others compete for my time, I like feeling needed, popular, etc.. I care a lot about my social standing and part in the community and like to involve myself in positions of power.

Well that says you have a strong sx and a strong soc instinct.

Do you not at all relate to Victim? Victim types can take on other styles.

I also tend to ask people constantly about what kind of person I am, if I am a good person or not.. because I really doubt myself often. I also have a problem with burning bridges and being extremely reactive to any displays of negativity or aggression and fighting back against it. I am the farthest thing from "tactful" I guess you could say, but I am working to improve this.

This sounds more like some psychological issue, not plain information processing related. Identity problems involved here? Anyway if any of it is IE related it doesn't sound like SEE with you having to ask others about what kind of person you are.

[ScarlettLux]

Thanks Myst! You're quite on the ball & insightful about the last part, I do think me asking others about what kind of person I am is definitely just a psychological issue lol

Honestly I think you are obviously my dual so I'm sticking EIE. Will make a video still just for fun soon..

[mu4]

EIE type me threads are more like...

Give me attention because I'm me threads..

[mu4]

alpha sf's manipulate with naivete

beta nf's would die before making that particular brand of naivete into the selling point of their image

^don't take my word for it

I think manipulation is pretty variable, pretty sure anyone can manipulate with naivete, experience, etc. I think the IxFx types, (soulful/sincere types) are prone to use a sort of in distress mode(need help) of interaction. It could be real/fake naivete or simply a way of manipulation or sincere need for help. This goes for males and females.

This is however not something ExFx tend to go for, at least not consistantly(althrough they can certainly do it), it's more of a difference in temperament than quadra.

ExTx often fancy themselves problem solvers and such so these sort of interactions are ego boosting.

Communication style and temperament are as much about how we present as club, with club being more the domain of information.

[ScarlettLux]

With the boyfriend - show affection in small and silly ways. Sometimes I'm not even feeling intentionally lovey - it's almost an automatic reflex. Hugs, "I love you", "You're so amazing", "You're so precious to me", "How are you so amazing?", "You're the coolest person ever, can I eat you and gain your powers plz", "I miss you", rubbing my nose on whatever bit of their body is closest at the time etc. I think Fi-PoLR mostly means that they have a poor grasp of how people feel towards them without external signs, so the constant affection reassures them.

I ALWAYS need this -- this is a big part of why I was thinking SLE for a bit for myself

[Myst]

Yeah nah bitch, you're beta NF It's just normal human insecurity. You're too pretty and feminine looking to be SLE...

I know pretty feminine looking SLE girls

SL does VI like beta NF though, much more than SLE, from the few photos I saw

[ScarlettLux]

Yeah nah bitch, you're beta NF It's just normal human insecurity. You're too pretty and feminine looking to be SLE...

LOL SLEs of course can be pretty too but you know what, when I think of the two SLE girls in my class (1 definite SLE, 1 still unsure, maybe LIE) .. they are beautiful but almost.. intimidatingly so. Like a more "hard" or powerful beauty. Stately actually is more the word.

I think I look pretty soft and more delicate lol.

Compare SLE & I
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[Adam Strange]

LOL SLEs of course can be pretty too but you know what, when I think of the two SLE girls in my class (1 definite SLE, 1 still unsure, maybe LIE) .. they are beautiful but almost.. intimidatingly so. Like a more "hard" or powerful beauty. Stately actually is more the word.

I think I look pretty soft and more delicate lol.

Compare SLE & I
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Yes, IEI's are the most delicate and feminine of all the types.
But are you sure the woman in the photo with you is SLE? She looks a lot like an LSI female I used to know. She looks like an aggressor, but looks to me like she thinks Ti more than she exists in the world Se. I think of SLE females as having a smoother face, slightly imperious or fundamentally assertive, a face unruffled by thinking interfering with sensing. Your friend looks like she spends a lot of time in hard thought, and is generally happy when the pieces come together perfectly.
Why do you think she is SLE? I'm curious.

[Myst]

Yes, IEI's are the most delicate and feminine of all the types.
But are you sure the woman in the photo with you is SLE? She looks a lot like an LSI female I used to know. She looks like an aggressor, but looks to me like she thinks Ti more than she exists in the world Se. I think of SLE females as having a smoother face, slightly imperious or fundamentally assertive, a face unruffled by thinking interfering with sensing. Your friend looks like she spends a lot of time in hard thought, and is generally happy when the pieces come together perfectly.
Why do you think she is SLE? I'm curious.

Yeah if SLE at all, that must be Ti subtype. But strong Se creative makes sense.

[ScarlettLux]

Yes, IEI's are the most delicate and feminine of all the types.
But are you sure the woman in the photo with you is SLE? She looks a lot like an LSI female I used to know. She looks like an aggressor, but looks to me like she thinks Ti more than she exists in the world Se. I think of SLE females as having a smoother face, slightly imperious or fundamentally assertive, a face unruffled by thinking interfering with sensing. Your friend looks like she spends a lot of time in hard thought, and is generally happy when the pieces come together perfectly.
Why do you think she is SLE? I'm curious.

I think SLE because the way she operates is more irrational than our LSI friend, who plans everything in advance, needs structure -- she's way into "winging it" and constantly does so. Her energy is more spastic too - that photo may not be the best representation of her, she was pretty intoxicated. Lol. She is more of a partier, more wild than the LSI too.

She doesn't actually seem to spend that much time in thought, she depends on the LSI to help her organize things even more (in terms of school work) and actually start it.. she doesn't do much beforehand. It's easy to see the difference if you knew her in person.

Also she is an extravert. Simple. Lol.

[Myst]

I think SLE because the way she operates is more irrational than our LSI friend, who plans everything in advance, needs structure -- she's way into "winging it" and constantly does so. Her energy is more spastic too - that photo may not be the best representation of her, she was pretty intoxicated. Lol. She is more of a partier, more wild than the LSI too.

She doesn't actually seem to spend that much time in thought, she depends on the LSI to help her organize things even more (in terms of school work) and actually start it.. she doesn't do much beforehand. It's easy to see the difference if you knew her in person.

Also she is an extravert. Simple. Lol.

OK if the photo is not so representative of her then it makes sense.

Btw, just so you don't go by some overly narrow LSI stereotype; I don't plan everything in advance in that much detail, I can adjust on the fly if needed. Your LSI sounds like the Ti subtype compared to me.

I could relate a bit to your SLE friend there but my energy isn't entirely spastic, I just sometimes make sudden moves. Not constantly spastic. Tbh when I make those moves I don't think spastic is the right word for them anyway

And I certainly don't need help with organizing my stuff, lol, is she SLE-Se? Because I don't think SLE-Ti would need help either.

[Pink]

@ScarlettLux

You look extremely similar to one of my girlfriends whom I type as EIE, it's actually freaky

[ScarlettLux]

@ScarlettLux

You look extremely similar to one of my girlfriends whom I type as EIE, it's actually freaky

Picktcha!!!!! I wanna see my doppelganger!

[ScarlettLux]

Here's what my IEI sweetie said about me when I asked him to say what he liked about me.. Hahaha... it's cute and kind of a joke, but does this not sound a bit Aggressor-y and Se valuing? I think I just have a major hidden agenda complex LOL.

"I like you because you're very adventurous compared to me. You're curious about everything and like questioning things which is fun. You're very affectionate with me and protective which makes me feel like I'm special . You also have great music taste and HAWT tattoos!

Oh and you make me laugh alot which is a huge bonus and you're incredibly sexy to me "

And what I said about him:

"I like you because you have great music taste. You are super sweet and caring about others. You are responsible and patient. You have HAWT tattoos LOL. And i know i can always rely on you. And you are funny and intelligent enough that I can have a good conversation with you."