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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    I relate a lot to the descriptions of Ni as a leading function and most of the ILI descriptions, but some things about ILI throw me off. For one I don't see SEEs being my dual, the few I have interacted with gave me a distant feeling. Secondly I am not materialistic at all and really only care about money when there is something specific I want. I just don't feel very gamma.
    I know ILIs who aren't materialistic/not addicted to money whatsoever. This is a rather shallow reason to exclude ILI.


    Then there is LII, which seems to fit equally well but also has some things that just don't fit. While I believe I have strong Ti I seem to use it more demonstratively rather it being a leading factor in my life.
    Since then you decided it's leading and not demonstrative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    I know ILIs who aren't materialistic/not addicted to money whatsoever. This is a rather shallow reason to exclude ILI.
    Since then you decided it's leading and not demonstrative?
    Maybe it is just a dumb stereotype but in just about every socionics source I have read they always paint a picture of ILIs of being rude, intellectually arrogant, and good with money. Someone should really clean that shit up if it isn't the case.

    As I said in the other thread, I'm skeptical about being a Te valuer and I seem to use Ti more instead. Ti and Ni fit equally well as my leading function to be honest. I seem use Ni demonstratively sometimes as well in that I often dismiss a lot of people's supernatural claims. However the contradiction with INTp, other than not fitting the stereotypes, is that alpha doesn't seem like my opposing quadra. I don't feel a sense of being at odds with alpha types or Fe egos in anyway. I tried ISTp since it seemed like a possible alternative but I just can't see myself being Si dom and delta feels more like my opposing quadra. I do agree I'm more likely N than S. Perhaps I'm INTx with a case of EXTREME borderline value of the functions, thus the difficultly typing. I value Ti and Ni almost equally, slight preference for Ne over Te, Si and Fi equally, and am receptive to parts of both Fe and Se. As a whole I seem more irrational then rational but then again I feel Te fits better as the ignoring. Its like I meet in the middle and somehow become a "beta NT".

    In all the socionics test I've taken, as unreliable as I know they are, I always score equally high with INTp and INTj. This is what I mean:

    http://www.socionics.com/sta/sta_tur...ml?I55N54T63j4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    Maybe it is just a dumb stereotype but in just about every socionics source I have read they always paint a picture of ILIs of being rude, intellectually arrogant, and good with money. Someone should really clean that shit up if it isn't the case.
    Lol type descriptions are just illustrations, not every little word must match, just the trends are illustrated in them; why don't you study the theory itself instead? Abstract IE's definitions, Model A, etc.

    There is one ILI I know that's rude, arrogant AND is bad with money. There is another ILI I know that's polite, soft, good with saving money but not good with earning it due to extreme laziness. And so on... These things on their own taken out of any context are not even very specific to any type.


    As I said in the other thread, I'm skeptical about being a Te valuer and I seem to use Ti more instead. Ti and Ni fit equally well as my leading function to be honest. I seem use Ni demonstratively sometimes as well in that I often dismiss a lot of people's supernatural claims. However the contradiction with INTp, other than not fitting the stereotypes, is that alpha doesn't seem like my opposing quadra. I don't feel a sense of being at odds with alpha types or Fe egos in anyway. I tried ISTp since it seemed like a possible alternative but I just can't see myself being Si dom and delta feels more like my opposing quadra. I do agree I'm more likely N than S. Perhaps I'm INTx with a case of EXTREME borderline value of the functions, thus the difficultly typing. I value Ti and Ni almost equally, slight preference for Ne over Te, Si and Fi equally, and am receptive to parts of both Fe and Se. As a whole I seem more irrational then rational but then again I feel Te fits better as the ignoring. Its like I meet in the middle and somehow become a "beta NT".

    In all the socionics test I've taken, as unreliable as I know they are, I always score equally high with INTp and INTj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    Maybe it is just a dumb stereotype but in just about every socionics source I have read they always paint a picture of ILIs of being rude, intellectually arrogant, and good with money. Someone should really clean that shit up if it isn't the case.
    Well, the stock socionics types descriptions generally tend to be cartoonish and clumsy -- maybe that's the nature of any "representative portrait." ILIs imo can come across as rude. I know some who are like this, including my mother and a former teacher of mine (whom I started avoiding because she is so negative and says quite hateful, hurtful things without regard for anything except for believing she is "right"). They also can be pretty polite, however. I know two who are outwardly polite southerners, but in terms of values, they do go against the deeper social grain; one of them is a philosophy professor who's deeply into the income-equality movement. The other is someone I worked with in a research setting who dropped out of the urban environment and went back to his small-town rural roots and seems to be thriving -- the gesture there is one of rejection. Neither of these people goes along with what's expected of them, but they're both exceptionally kind people when you get down to the heart of what they're about. That is, sometimes the nicest thing you can say is simply the truth, and that's something they excel at. They both care about the underdog more than average and will support people who appear to be oppressed or in distress.

    I don't know any ILIs who are ultimately money-motivated. The ILIs in my life are too anti-pretension to be materialistic in the proper sense. They appear financially competent, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    they always paint a picture of ILIs of being rude, intellectually arrogant, and good with money
    They are significantly interested in money as have valued Se and are not bad in getting them having strong T. Rude... it's trait from upbringing and situation in much degree.

    Someone should really clean that shit up if it isn't the case.
    Descriptions are made for average case, anyway. They may be wrong too in something as are not experimentally proved.

    I tried ISTp since it seemed like a possible alternative but I just can't see myself being Si dom and delta feels more like my opposing quadra.
    You need to feel this from people of delta, not just from descriptions. And also to feel "good" from beta. Then you'll have resonable basis to say such. ISTJ variant is not worst.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    They are significantly interested in money as have valued Se and are not bad in getting them having strong T. Rude... it's trait from upbringing and situation in much degree
    Valued Se etc doesn't automatically lead to interest in money stuff. Just like strong T doesn't automatically lead to being rude

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    just from vibes, i want to say you seem more Ti base, and not Te creative. your vibe reminds me more of how i, as an Fe type, sometimes react to LIIs and LSIs - like i kind of want to shake them up with Fe, lol. whereas with ILI and SLI, i more often get the feeling i have to be "careful" and more constrained in my natural expressions when interacting with them (even though i don't always actually change my behavior).

    this is just vibes so far, so maybe i'm assuming too much. but i would say yes, do continue to consider joining a Merry quadra ->

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    Agreed. In the video, he seemed kind of awkward but in a rather endearing way and there was some nervous type of smiling and giggling. Perhaps trying to reach out subconsciously to Fe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Muddytextures View Post
    Yeah, the Te creative thing always throw off. I just assumed I valued it less because of subtypes but I don't see it taking preference over Ti. I think LII is starting to look like the most likely option. I really don't think my Se is strong enough for me to be LSI, it could very well be my polr. I feel the most confident with Ti and Ni. The sociophobia stuff I mentioned before is more likely an enneagram 5 thing then Fe polr. I'd gladly take wild emotions over rough demanding behavior any day. If I were LII that would also check out with me relating to alpha the most. All in all I am probably LII with a lower than usual rationality preference.

    If there is any truth to the plus/minus functions, there might be an explanation why I seem to value certain aspects Se. LII's HA is Si+/Se-. Se- is all about resisting the force of others and overthrowing oppressors, which is exactly the parts of Se I identify with. I have absolutely no desire to impose my own will over others, rather I feel a deep need to resist the forcefulness of others.

    So, I'm thinking about officially going with LII. Everyone agree?
    I would agree with all of this. I am an LII with irrational subtype so I don't look quite as rigid as some do. And I when I was new to socionics, I also struggled between LII and ILI. But once I got a better understanding of the quadras, it was clear that I was alpha and not gamma and therefore LII rather than ILI.

    I also prefer to use -Se over +Se. Another point for LII.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
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    You do come off like @chips and underwear vibe-wise, to me.
    Both in video and in writing style I must say. Some of the similarites are eerie I must add.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myst View Post
    Valued Se etc doesn't automatically lead to interest in money stuff. Just like strong T doesn't automatically lead to being rude
    Exactly.
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