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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    i've went on about myself more. i know that some people reading this will think these responses match so-first and other will think so-last, or even so-second...
    Seems soc-last alright to me.


    sigh. one thing that is true of me is seeking independence from social requirements and expectations to pursue my own agenda. this is usually part of sp/sx. if you fail to gain independence does that make you sp/so? if you are aware of social pressures trying to mold you into something you're not, does that make you sp/so?

    No.


    @Myst, well, using the social instinct as an example... there are often several things that seem to be involved.

    do you have an interest (even a passing one) in certain social issues? if so, social first!
    do you have an awareness of certain social issues? if so, social first!
    do you not use social networking? if not, social last! (unless of course you are "unhealthy," then social first!)
    do you feel put upon by others and find interactions draining in social situations? (if so, social last, unless of course "unhealthy," then social first!)
    do you like animals and other lifeforms? if so, social first!
    1. Not on my own, other people can draw me into it a bit for a short time with their enthusiasm. I still feel a bit removed and essentially an outsider though even then. The enthusiasm I can take on if the person is important to me, as for the belief in the social issue, I can perhaps consider it too, if it makes sense to me, otoh, deep interest in the social issue *on its own* - nope, will not work. Only if it aligns with other things, some of which I've listed here.
    2. Not on its own merit. If it affects me that's when I will get aware of something.
    3. No I don't.
    4. 1) Yes 2) For a short while the process of the interacting is energizing for the sake of the energy exchange itself then it starts to be draining if it goes on while I figure out that I do not find the person interesting enough. If they remain interesting then good
    5. Not particularly.

    I've always been like this my whole life independently of how healthy I was in periods of my life so I find it's much more sensible to assume soc-last instead of a constantly deeply unhealthy soc-first.

    Now, the variations on instinct definitions to me seem fine, not too conflicting, where I find it becomes a problem is when people try to correlate them with subjective vibes. That's where it all goes terribly wrong. This is true of enneatypes and sociotypes and information elements as well. The only time I -still tentatively- consider vibes is when it matches an entire known stacking & enneatype tritype & sociotype, all together. And the vibe I get then can still be conflated with factors that lie outside these theories. (The same issue with VI.)


    mainly (and i know this is quite simplified and exaggerated), you can in fact find a way to fit anyone into social last or social first, depending on how you decide to juggle the myriad considerations, which is probably more based on your inner sense which may well be drawing off of your own ego and biases. (not you in particular, @Myst)
    Nope, if you can actually find a way to do it then you've entered the land of intellectually dishonest non-falsifiable theorizing.
    Last edited by Myst; 09-17-2015 at 05:26 AM.

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