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    The relationship between enneagram and sociotypes hasn't ever been elucidated, but from personal experience of typing a whole bunch of ppl I haven't found a single EIE 4 in all these years. And while this doesn't prove that this combination is impossible, by this time I think that it's very very rare to say the least. Most of the EIEs who superficially seemed to be 4s at closer inspection turned out to be 3w4s putting their 4 wing to creative use, 6w7/7w6s inclined to artistic expression, and at times even 9s who were emulating the "undisciplined extravagance" associated with type 4.

    In one Big5/Enneagram study conducted by the Enneagram Institute Type 4 correlated negatively with extraversion:

     


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fay View Post
    Do EIE 4s exist, or is it just an old myth that's never really been put into life?
    I know a couple, yes. They are clearly different from the other EIEs I know that are of different enneatypes.


    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    The relationship between enneagram and sociotypes hasn't ever been elucidated, but from personal experience of typing a whole bunch of ppl I haven't found a single EIE 4 in all these years. And while this doesn't prove that this combination is impossible, by this time I think that it's very very rare to say the least. Most of the EIEs who superficially seemed to be 4s at closer inspection turned out to be 3w4s putting their 4 wing to creative use, 6w7/7w6s inclined to artistic expression, and at times even 9s who were emulating the "undisciplined extravagance" associated with type 4.
    The ones I know are definitely not core 3's.


    In one Big5/Enneagram study conducted by the Enneagram Institute Type 4 correlated negatively with extraversion:
    That -0.27 is hardly even significant and doesn't at all exclude the possibility of EIE 4's existing.

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    this is how i'm interpreting the data in the Enneagram/Big 5 table (and i'm not sure i'm doing it correctly): assuming a normal distribution, a z-score of -0.27 calculates to about 39% probability (p = 0.39358). so that would mean there's a 39% chance that people who are Type 4 will also be Extraverted, and a 61% chance that they will score low on Extraversion (i.e. are Introverted).

    another example: Type 1's Conscientious z-score = 0.66, calculating to about 75% probability (p = 0.745373), meaning there is a 75% probability that Type 1s are Conscientious, and a 25% probability that they score low on this trait.

    i think these examples make sense for the respective types. but could someone who knows how to interpret statistical data verify if this is correct?

    z-score to cumulative probability calculator: http://sampson.byu.edu/courses/z2p2z-calculator.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    this is how i'm interpreting the data in the Enneagram/Big 5 table (...)
    I think it's more like the average E1 is more conscientious than 75% of the population

    Same for the E4 stuff, of course this is an average score, and it's not crazy strong so some E4's can very well be at least somewhat extraverted.

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