Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
i think what bothers me the most about this "women make $0.77 for a man's $1.00" thing, is that is misses the point. the point is that there is still underlying cultural sexism that drives women to be "less productive" while at the same time insisting that you must be inhumanly productive because that's what "being a real man" is.

this is about the underlying attitudes pervasive in our culture.

try reading this: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...ce-gap/359815/

as a sort-of aside, making babies is important for the human race. raising them well is important for our future. why should that be undervalued? (and i don't care which parent stays with the baby/toddler the most - at least one of them fucking has to.)

also writing off women in the work force as baby machines when society demands women not be only that - is silly. patriarchal societies have never ensured the well-being and happiness of every helpless woman who was not allowed to work for herself. then, later, the life of the working woman was denied from society's awareness. no one cared for her or helped her with her needs. she still had to fucking work several jobs, often as a single mother. the reality of those women of the 60s and 70s was seen as some anomaly. "no, patriarchal society provides for its women... women don't work piss poor jobs making barely anything just so their kids might make it. oh, unless they're not white. then they're like animals anyway."

what people often don't understand when they take this personally is that this is a systemic problem. it's programmed into your brain and mine. so make arguments about this wage discrepancy argument. but don't argue the inequality that underlies it.
I think that is kind of a prevalent feature of the dominated belief system in place at the time. Christianity encourages the breeder mentality, and hence the entirety of society falls into a pattern of women trying to be breeders while the man goes out to provide for the family. Then you end up with a portion of the females trying to fight against the curve. That isn't an issue of women's rights though, that is more of an issue of women learning to stand on their own and not succumbing to the underlying currents of the establishment. Neither law or women's equality activism(feminism) is going to change that.

You also have to understand though that this is a very hard mentality to change, because reproduction and providing stable homes for upcoming kids is an important quality in society.