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Last edited by suedehead; 04-08-2016 at 04:15 PM.
They all seem NF.
I don't really care if you care to argue, I'm not going to let bad info slide here.
PUA is a intuitive thing but it's all about at some level ethical manipulation, at some point you have to accurately and confidently gauge emotional states either Fi or Fe, ILE's are basically inept/neurotic at Fi and uncontrolled with Fe.
As individuals without ethics in their ego ILE's are not particularly concerned with gaining ego benefits from ethical manipulation, rather many ILE simply go about their relationships thru material means as they're a Te 4d types.
It's possible some ILE's do PUA for brief periods in their life but it's almost never a ego manifestation and non-ego manifestations are usually disordered or brief. However NF's get a great deal of ego satisfaction from ethical manipulation and as intuitives often have a roundabout way with sexual matters.
A lot of the PUA leader types are just EIE's as they have Fi ignoring which get mistaken for Fi polr. They have the ability to very accurately gauge dynamic emotions in interaction and Ni to guide the interaction cautiously towards what they want. They sell these tricks in a simplified form to their followers which are more generally practicable but it's still very low rate of return unless you have the natural ability to gauge emotional reaction.
If you want to talk about a OG "PUA"observation from an actual ILE , read Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman
https://restructure.wordpress.com/20...-than-a-whore/
He describes exactly how it works, these simple tricks and there are individuals who it works on, and in the end he ultimately dismiss it because it was unsatisfying and did not really do it anymore.
I go actually the entirely opposite manner as described in the story, because I always buy someone I like or find attractive (friend, sexual prospect) something, not for sex but to test if I'm just a game to them or not. It's like paying on the first date. If someone is put off by this, that means they can never ever really be close to me.
If you want a Real Life example.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-(translation)
For Te 4d types, this is a very important mechanism by which affection is show because these are not individuals with a strong ethical ability.In summary, for about two months we had very little contact. He was constantly disappearing to somewhere, but would re-appear when I turned to him with requests: to give me a ride, to help transport furniture from friend’s place (I was in process of moving back then) - and he has always agreed to help. (This is a special characteristic of ILEs – helping everyone despite their personal relation to them.) All this time I felt zero physical attraction towards him. But next to him it was always calming ... When we talked I rarely understood him, and he rarely understood me. I couldn't understand what the purpose of his hanging around me was, when it was clear that nothing will happen between us. But he would stubbornly appear next to me again. He helped me with the documents for my dissertation, lent me his notebook computer for almost constant use, let me borrow some money when I needed it. Then we started going out to cafes together. He always paid for me and never tried to penny-pinch on anything. This has amazed me, to be honest, because I’d fight for a single penny.
Mystery is probably EIE. Robert Greene was EIE. Not saying they're about one and the same thing.
Although I'm sure many Fi polr can have a pua-like style and are probably even familiar with several concrete pua methods .... fastening such a wide-spread practice to a type may be an exaggeration. But I know at least one example on this site that I kinda picture engaging in pua-like techniques (incidentally some sort of sp last...).
Last edited by Amber; 05-05-2015 at 04:22 PM.
Russell Brand is not ILE.
Yay more pick-up women theory threads.
next women bashing will commence in 3...2....1....
That's not passive aggressive. That was pretty straight forward.
And hey pal, all of your posts are about you comparing yourself or complaining about men who can get women (because they, in your words, are jocks and pick up artists) and women (as you complain about how they do not like you and your supposedly better than them).
You've some weird fucked up innuendo of being so much better than everyone whilst also being a teeny lil bitch. And honestly- IT'S FUCKING ANNOYING. I'm sick of your threads. It's the same topic over and over and over and over and over. Dear fucking christ- get a hobby.
I'm more than happy to look onto your page and copy and paste the oh-so-many posts (and threads you start) regarding this topic and women bashing (which I 100% guarantee you would've eventually brought up in this thread- I decided to beat you to the punch).
well, bb chose to get very incisive with suede this time... he obviously doesn't have a lot of fun making all these threads, but I know there's something crassly objectifying in his more or less explicit attitude. He kinda thinks in terms of "pussy" and "dick" instead of people. I mean, if I sensed a guy has a hard time understanding and seeing me for what I am and is just there "for the pussy", I'd surely distance myself and think smb else will do. Not saying anyone who messed things up for him had the same reasons ...just pointing out what's a bit stinky about it all.
I seriously doubt that Russel Brand is alpha NT. I think beta NF with reasonable high Ti emphasis (INFp). He seems to be Te PoLR. There are xIEs and other Exxps in vids.
It is so much easier to chat this and that with alpha SFs. They like it. Seriously. PUA? Blah... why play the game when there is no need if you can do it right way (I'm not talking about the effective end results but about results ending up in better outcome if it happens).
I have followed a blog by alpha NT and his was not successful in that scene, completely opposite actually with 100 % failure rate. Only way he got laid was by complaining his skills in that scene in his blog in very humorous way. He finally found one by using more conventional methods.
Last edited by Sanguine Miasma; 05-06-2015 at 04:10 PM.
I think the real reason you have an issue with my behavior is because despite your feminism, subconsciously, you're repulsed by the fact that I'm not a naturally masculine/desirable male and have to learn how to be one - instead you'd prefer if someone like me just faded into obscurity. Yet you'll fuck the living shit out of someone who's naturally an asshole. That's not a judgment, I just know how to game works and I'm adapting to it. You know this shit works (no girl will ever admit the full extent of what attracts them to someone sexually because a lot of it's fucked up or doesn't fit some rosy feminist perspective), yet you're trying to keep me in my place through moralizing and pointless platitudes. You don't have my best interest at heart. You 'value' traits in me (meek passivity and non-assholeness) that keep me miserable. You don't know how fucking powerless and pathetic it feels, every single day of my life, but fuck me for wanting to change right. Same with @blackburry. Fuck the both of you.
The last guy I might have wanted to fuck on the forum .... I kinda don't even know what he looks like. It was kinda a matter of vibe, energy, intelligence, and interesting personality traits. Won't deny that physical (masculine) features do matter to me ...but you might also wanna read something different from Cosmopolitan (maybe upgrade to Men's Health) to get insight into what various women like about men.
But I have my own objective, which is to get pussy.
You are disgusting. You should hire a couple of prostitutes first ... to teach you about human sexuality (and sex as an act)....instead of trying to adopt PUA.
Last edited by Amber; 05-10-2015 at 03:00 AM.
I don't know where that's coming from. That's probably a fantasy of yours which proves my point. That's basically what most women want, what's wrong with admitting that? Why is that underestimating them?
Again, what women claim to find attractive and repulsive doesn't match up with how they actually respond to things in real-time. A girl will tell a guy to be nice or treat a girl like a regular human being, yet she'll go crazy over a guy who objectifies the shit out of her.
You are actually gonna gaslight me here. You didn't spread that kinda shit about women all around the Gamma Quadra and Which stack gets laid.
You objectify the shit out of women and I find you absolutely repelling. You gross me out. And I can assure you most women on here feel the same ...except for mby one or two you actually jibe with.
Last edited by Amber; 05-10-2015 at 03:04 AM.
@Ananke, I liked your explanation, but where you went wrong was to explain yourself, please explain.
Now you're comparing yourself to older men in a desperate attempt to pull some value into your sorry ass ...as if your 20 years old matter to anyone per se. I know attractive men who are 40 and even more and they're sure getting what you're not getting due to a well-defined character, a good job, and maturity apart from looks. Sure you can also find older losers, np.
Anyway I'm so sick of the useless vortex you create around you --- go pay some prostitutes and get laid once and for all. Or shoot yourself in the head.
The problem with all this pick up attention is the massive amount of effort all these people put into their work. Tyler guy says work your ass off, Julien says work your ass off. All this. Personally it's very difficult to get this amped Ne wise to work so hard on one skill unless there was a significant gain. Their sales pitch is heavy beta.
Julien: ILE (Hardcore Ti infrastructure for social interactions, this guy can fake any type enough to get laid, and it ain't an ethical construct, it's Te/Ti based)
Tyler: LII (He has his Ni moments, he HA seeks Si, says he didn't notice social queues until really late into his journey, has that Finish it work ethic)
Todd: LIE
Max: ILE (very little knowledge of him, saw one or two videos, he's just getting used to expressing Ne relentlessly)
Alex: ILE (built his own system, it's far cry better, and more human. Just throws Fi out the window for Ne and Fe.
Jeffy: ESE
Ozzy: Kinda seems SEI,
I don't see how it hurts to try. Don't need to blow it off as a joke, either, cuz that looks weak. Could be honest, too. "Hey, I haven't got laid, and I'm not looking for a relationship or any commitment, just something that's NSA. I thought I'd ask in the slight chance you might be interested in something similar, but if not, forget it. I don't want something out of sympathy. There should be something in it for you, too. But since I'm not a mind reader, I thought I'd ask." and be cool about it. Well, that's how I'd approach the subject, but I prefer easy going honesty than manipulation which I think is rather crude. ymmv
Just approach them confidently, no need for mind games or complicated posturing.
Hey. I'm an LII and I hook up with chicks often enough. After the 10th it's really not that special anymore. If you really want help you need to stop putting women and pussy on a pedestal. Stop letting women determine your self-value. What it comes down to is your mind set. You said you lonely but pussy isn't going to fix that. Even if you get into a relationship with the perfect SEI you will still feel lonely. Your lonely stems from you and your outlook. You need to accept yourself and realize that you are the cause of all your problems. Forgive yourself and then move on to bigger and better things. Also, the big problem with traditional PUA is eventually you will run into a girl you're really into and this "new" you isn't the real you. The real you will pop out a fun, loving Alpha NT, and she won't be into you anymore because she was into who you were before.
Check out this book "Models: Attract Women Through Honesty." If you want women you need to work on yourself, BUT don't do it for the sole reason of attracting women. You do it for you. You go to the gym not so some women can enjoy your muscles you do it because you enjoy working out and being stronger. You work hard in your career not so you can show off your money to women; you do it because you want to live a comfortable lifestyle.
http://www.amazon.com/Models-Attract...n+with+honesty
If you still want to hook up with chicks go for it. It's fun and challenging, but by no means a solution to anything.
Ok, lemme lay down the law for you Alphas out there.
ALL human interaction is based upon manipulation. Oh yes, sounds horrible I know but hear me out. What if I just wanted a good smile out of ya? What if I got my jollies out of seeing a pretty girl smile and chuckle cutely at my misanthropic sense of humor?
Let's apply this to game as a PUA would see it. Oh, I'm just another player trying to get a night of passion out of a woman. What if I was not? What if I was instead testing for long-term compatibility and the like? If you've done the research as I have you'd see that while game does tends to work on dumbass slutty whores it fails against women who are seeking their dual/LTR knowingly. Game points the dick at dumb, which is a disservice both to yourself and your dick if you happen to have one. Anyone can bang a young idiot fool in these circles, but only a "real" man can land his dual who is just as intelligent as they are. I'm ILI, how ironic that, despite my deep knowledge of theories that say otherwise, my ideal woman is essentially a kind of female pick-up artist who can suck a dick so good that most any male would blow up within a minute of her ministrations?
This is why I see radical feminism to be utter bullshit. You already had the power ladies, and I rather dislike any assertion that it was ever otherwise. No good "patriarch" would settle for a weakling damsel in distress. Lo, he'd fall for the woman who defeated her captors in single combat! A true "warrior woman" who defeated her captors, that's the ideal. A pity it really is, that they are so rare IRL...
Well. I like to play with peoples' minds. It is fun. I put little tests here and there even unintentionally. Valuable data to get to know how people tick. There are no real end goal attached to those tests, though. I rely on my ability of doing correct analysis. No need for cat mouse play time.
I do much the same thing but my tests are more purposeful. I want X, so I will see if this works in helping me to attain it. I do it, and usually it does. It's strange really, how easy other people are to influence and psuedo-control. I'm really quite shocked, looking back on my life, how the hell I didn't figure this out sooner. It was right in front of me the whole time! It would have saved me a lot of trouble if they had just told me this is how it worked from the beginning. Could have saved me an immense amount of time, effort, and heartache in my interactions with others.
Not a lot changed while I was away
Why is it repulsive? It works and women clearly eat that shit up based on the videos I posted. It's giving them what they want and it's the reason they blow off every other chump. It's valuable information. I don't have a fucked up attitude towards women either, it's a realistic one. I don't take meds and I don't plan to so I don't know where you're getting that from.
You have a fucked-up and denigrating attitude towards women both in terms of sexually objectifying them ("pussy") and in terms of underestimating them ("women only wanna bloke with a long dick to behave like an asshole and smash them and leave them mesmerized by so much male power").
Cut the passive-aggressive BS.
Besides you seem to be in alignment with PUA, a movement that implicitly undervalues women by promoting views of them as "prey" that can be easily "bought" via a couple of stupid verbal and body language tricks. You for one seem to buy and eat that shit more than many women I know. However ....it doesn't look like it's working, which is why you're not actually getting any "pussy" and most women on the forum indeed find you deplorable.
Last edited by Amber; 05-10-2015 at 03:02 AM.
Except it was all "nerd explained" to Richard Feynman by a person he called the Master. Likely a EIE.
Clear dialectical thinker, tells the Causal Determinist to go the divergent direction.Originally Posted by Master
Essentially every PUA video in existence is a negativist reaction to conventional thought.
This story is old yo, been here since... forever.
If you are ILE and you want to have a good long term relationship, these videos have absolutely 0 value. The key to Causal Determinist thinkers and dialectical thinkers is that CD thinkers offer a consistent and steadfast directness of thought in how they approach matters. While dialectical thinkers go back and forth, if there is real care and relationship potential, a CD thinker must always be the steadfast and resolute one. This is even more important for LSI's and EIE as the dynamic between those two individuals are more explosive from the EIE. The CD thinker should prove his directness as well when given the chance.
Everything I typed in the above post was things that you have said many times now. Whether that is knowing you or not- it is restating things you have said.
everything. Even the comment about you being a little bitch were things that you've said.
Also none of the above has anything to do with socionics or e type, or instinct stackings.
Beyond objectifying women, I think you objectified yourself as a "PUA" consumer guy, you've sort of turned yourself into a object, and not one you particularly like either. The subtle delusion for you is not that people don't objectify each other but how one objectify oneself without that necessary self-analysis that often will cut thru the delusion.
So the question is what have you objectified yourself as in this scenario and what do you really feel about that objectification. Are you really the target audience to be spoonfed this tripe? Who are you really? Do you like this object that you express yourself as.
Also instead of confronting your fears you've chosen to be a coward. Yea, anxiety is going to make you act passive but you know that, now you know it, you can overcome it by actually not being passive. You don't have to become emotionally dead.
I know this particular anxiety fairly well myself, but you don't gotta be a coward about it. You're still young, it took me a long time to learn this lesson. You can learn it today.
Also are you shallow? Do you want to be shallow? What is it that you really want? You can objectify yourself here but I think given your cognitive ability as an individual in charge of your cognitive mindset and how you do things, do you need to stick with whatever you happen to excuse yourself as.
I think you can make your intentions clear without turning yourself into a coward, because this dick between legs running from your anxiety is pretty much just the coward's way out.
There's nothing wrong with a certain level of objectification but do it with some craft at least.
yeah. totally. if i could be with that boring guy in cinderella who barely talks except when he's singing awful songs, i'd go for it. there's nothing like a castle and a garden and shoving it up my step mom's ass.I bet you don't like it when some random guy treats you like a fairy princess either.
or perhaps that's too disney.
"i worship the ground at your feet, lady inumbra. allow me to prostrate myself before you. oh? is that a door? i shall hasten forth and accidentally slam my forehead into it. there you go, my lady. i look forward to the day you vomit so i can free your hair of the bile and slurp it with my tongue. i shall buy you normandy. we will sail to a remote island and be waited upon by men dressed like penguins. you shall wake to find i've transformed our bedroom into a bed of exotic flowers and i shall protect you from the bees and wasps with my bare bum. my family will tell you, you are the most beautiful woman they have ever seen. and so... intelligent. your breasts. oh, and we shall have babies and i shall drink of your breast with my young ones. you are my jewel and you shall want for nothing."
(i'd rather just buy my own android and program what it will say and do according to my whims. it would be just as fake, but certainly more stimulating.)
My complaint was not about you specifically. It was triggered by an earlier conversation in chatbox. Your posts are just part of a current trend of people talking about "getting pussy," etc. It's all over the place.
I am also currently "fucking the living shit" out of an sp/so, whom I find far more attractive and exciting than most sx firsts I have encountered in my life. He is not passive, powerless, and pathetic either, so all of this has nothing to do with stacking (just saying this because in other threads you say it is).
I find PUA as a movement repulsive, but I think this is just a symptom of you being in a pretty severe depression. Developing a fucked up attitude towards women is not going to help you with anything. I REALLY recommend changing your meds (I have changed mine many times before finding the right ones).
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
It would not work on me or any of my female friends. It works on some women, maybe. If that is the kind of relationship you want with a woman, knock yourself out. I don't want it and plenty of other women don't want it because we don't like being hated on and reduced to our genitals.
And I thought you wrote at some points your are taking SSRIs. Maybe I misread, but in that case, you REALLY should give them a try.
And I wish most of the PUA crap came from you. It's rampant currently. Your posts are just the most obvious ones.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I think it works on a fairly neurotic spectrum of individuals. I'm sure PUA would work on a spectrum of men as well. There is a spectrum of attraction here where a spectrum of individual go for narcissistic or narcissistic appearing men and the borderline seduction tactics in PUA is straight out of BPD handbook.
PUA simply is npd + bpd seduction game in one toxic farce. Most people who try to do this game will also fail because well most people aren't actually scum.
I wanted to do the same topic over on PerC but didnt see the potential.
I heard about the blueprint about 7 years ago, a friend recommended it to me. I downloaded it and saw RSD Tyler, the fat INTj adult-child who wanted to play the town fool and manipulate everyone around him into believing he was cool. I hated him. It took me half a year to start understanding what PUA is really all about. The advice I took from RSD helped me express my Ne-Ti and retarded undeveloped Fe. I did some extreme shit, Jeffy style or worse in a way, I wanted no social control...
What I learned after 5 years of sarging is that you are the one that seeks people who you want to interact with and you dont want to spend time pretending your something your not. Enjoy yourself in the interaction, stop seeking validation.
They keep talking about there is no magic pill. I think these guys are on the magic pills. They cant tell you what drugs they are taking but its obvious they enhance their cognitive abilities with something like MDMA imo. This is their job guys, dont expect them to tell you they pay a few girls so that you can have "proof" in their abilities, or that they do drugs. Men are such losers when it comes to expressing themselves or be open to experience, these guys mustn't know the truth about good game and how to achieve it through direct knowledge, they are given placebos. They need hope and motivation which is the ultimate PUA goal now days.
Ohhh and btw, I respect these guys and support them. Im fed up with these Fi dom/sec casanovas trying to be touchy-feely with girls drooling around them, makes me mad... so beta... so girly... BWAH!
If it wasnt for these guys I would probably be another INTj hoping I could someday meet a perfect princess I could share my hearth with again.
You cant teach an INTp how to pickup girls. And you cant teach an ENTp to learn textbook pickup. What you can do is learn calibration, use Fe to connect to a girl to get her to want you. Learn what makes her tick, what is her most used I/E function, fill it up with actions.
And yea... These guys are teaching people how to be a narcissist, well, at least in the stereotype way. Alex and Jullien both seem classic ENTp's narcissists with Ne-Fe loop, my favs
Good topic, lets not spoil it with personal disputes.
I can't believe all you losers who buy into nerdy psychopathic internet myths like PUA and redpill when it comes to "what women really want", rather than looking at what reality shows? I wonder what made so many nerdy losers buy into psycho fiction like that? it's like religious insanity without realism, based on hurt feelings seeking the worst possible of all explanations. lol @you all for ruining your lives for using and abusing a "pussy". I personally don't care much, as I don't like the kind of guys you talk of and never will, so it's fine by me that you destroy your loser lives even more, instead of trying the OBVIOUS and possibly INBORN knowledge of what really is true - that connecting and being honest is where happiness lies. But maybe "pussy" is more important than happiness for losers.
Here are some facts, suedehead:
1) PUA is rape by deception. You'll see people go to jail for it pretty soon.
2) PUAs generally don't fool quality people, unless all there is to quality is a pussy. You may as well not change a thing about yourself and just walk into a bar and start asking if anyone wants to fuck, you'll find somebody for sure. Or get prostitutes. Pussy is pussy, right? Unless it's the raping and deceiving women that is your goal? In that case, get medical help, as you are a sadist.
3) If you ever want a meaningful relationship with a person with brains in the future, you'll have to chose between either telling about how you raped women for a hobby before, or you'll have to hide that part of your life forever, causing a rather weirdly cold relationship between you and your partner. Just a thought if you have a brain cell in there at all. You really know how to disgust people, don't you. lol.
that last Fe one is the more realistic and pragmatic pickup strategy that normal guys can use.