How to strengthen your Se

[Beautiful sky]

Trying to pull a sheep over a wolf.... ummm....ok.

[Words]

Trying to pull a sheep over a woof .... ummm....ok.

You are so mistrustful.

Why?

[Beautiful sky]

You are so mistrustful.

Why?

Why every person is that way...because they feel or thino that they know better or think that they may have figured something out

[Words]

Why every person is that way...because they feel or thino that they know better or think that they may have figured something out

I tend to trust everyone at first, because I am a trustworthy person myself.

I am open.

It can be used against me, but so can anything, and I remain who I am.

I wonder if you mean you reflect yourself onto others and you are not trustworthy.

Fi me.

[Ananke]

ACTION- Te

Te would be to see the consequences (effect) of actions and people may chose to act based on what consequences they see.

[Beautiful sky]

Te would be to see the consequences (effect) of actions and people may chose to act based on what consequences they see.

Yes cause and effect but because of that they specifically instruct people and make laws about them. They also set standards of behavior. Or actipn..."do x not y"

[Aylen]

I dunno I sometimes wonder if everyone notices these things.

I mean, it's said that everyone has all the functions.

I just thought that if someone is looking for an opportunity to speak, a polite and considerate person will give them that opportunity, a rude person or manipulative person may not, or they just really want to speak to keep going, you know that kind of stuff.

Suppose I am thinking about it in terms of people and not functions? Where am I going wrong with it, cause i'm trying to tie it in with what you are saying and I can't get my head round what are likely major differences. I suppose, some people don't notice these things due to functions not attitude, like someone wants to talk, let's let them talk.

Yeah I do this naturally so I am thinking Se has a lot to do with motivation. I mean I notice all this stuff but do I have motivation to deal with it... probably not unless it is directly related to someone I care about or myself. There are things I could change in my environment but without proper motivation I will often let it go. If I see someone is about to do something I would find irritating I will preemptively strike. An example of that is I see someone who looks like they are about to start tapping on the table, previous experience tells me they are an annoying tapper and I will tell them please don't do that it is irritating. I say it in a nice way though.

This happens to me a lot in my house. They know I have an allergy yet will constantly do things that trigger my allergies so I feel like I have become a nag in some way because it is like I told them hundreds of times not to leave doors open but they do it anyway. I notice now when someone is going toward the door and I say close it when you go out. I am almost always responded to with, "oh yeah I forgot." It often makes me wonder if people are so clueless that it looks like they are inconsiderate even when they are not intending to be. I guess me gasping for breath on a humid day is a clue and sometimes I allow myself to be uncomfortable just to see if it is noticed. I am awed by people's lack of awareness sometimes but I hate being a whining complainer. :/

Another motivation example: Paying bills... if I fail to pay electric then it will lead to discomfort. I notice the stack on the table but until I feel I have to get it done I will ignore. I do believe I do things in the right time which looks irresponsible to others but they get paid. Maybe a few days late but I know absolute deadlines. My SLE friend is the opposite. They open mail and pay bills the day they arrive. I have mail from weeks ago unopened. Fortunately most of my bills are on autopay. My friend also sees things that need to be repaired and will do them before it gets too bad. I notice these things too but am often overwhelmed when thinking of how to deal with them so I put it off until I get clear on how to deal with it. Getting overwhelmed with Se impressions can make me want to ignore a lot but it is not really on ignore just pushed to the back of my mind until I can sort it.

[Words]

Yeah I do this naturally so I am thinking I think Se has a lot to do with motivation. I mean I notice all this stuff but do I have motivation to deal with it... probably not unless it is directly related to someone I care about or myself. There are things I could change in my environment but without proper motivation I will often let it go. If I see someone is about to do something I would find irritating I will preemptively strike. An example of that is I see someone who looks like they are about to start tapping on the table, previous experience tells me they are an annoying tapper and I will tell them please don't do that it is irritating. I say it in a nice way though.

This happens to me a lot in my house. They know I have an allergy yet will constantly do things that trigger my allergies so I feel like I have become a nag in some way because it is like I told them hundreds of times not to leave doors open but they do it anyway. I notice now when someone is going toward the door and I say close it when you go out. I am almost always responded to with, "oh yeah I forgot." It often makes me wonder if people are so clueless that it looks like they are inconsiderate even when they are not intending to be. I guess me gasping for breath on a humid day is a clue and sometimes I allow myself to be uncomfortable just to see if it is noticed. I am awed by people's lack of awareness sometimes but I hate being a whining complainer. :/

Another motivation example: Paying bills... if I fail to pay electric then it will lead to discomfort. I notice the stack on the table but until I feel I have to get it done I will ignore. I do believe I do things in the right time which looks irresponsible to others but they get paid. Maybe a few days late but I know absolute deadlines. My SLE friend is the opposite. They open mail and pay bills the day they arrive. I have mail from weeks ago unopened. Fortunately most of my bills are on autopay. My friend also sees things that need to be repaired and will do them before it gets too bad. I notice these things too but am often overwhelmed when thinking of how to deal with them so I put it off until I get clear on how to deal with it. Getting overwhelmed with Se impressions can make me want to ignore a lot but it is not really on ignore just pushed to the back of my mind until I can sort it.

Yeah, even reading Jungs stuff he talks about Se being accepting the external world of things as what they are, Si is about taking the external world and processing it so internally a large object is reduced in size, a small object is increased in size, like Se seeing a physical thing for what it is but a failed version of that. This in itself, although condensed, is still a bit vague. How also it moves onto other ideas about these functions which might equally be vague - eg because Si processes the external world internally, then it means it's about how you feel right? So Si is about physical health. Maybe, maybe not, it works sometimes.

I think more and more that functions are really about attitudes and attitudes can change. Not just that type can change (Jung believed type can change) but also we can see the world for what it is (Se) then some other time during the day we are lost in our own thoughts, day dreaming (Ni), I'm pretty sure that when someone becomes or is adjusted that the impact of type, the impact of attitude reduces.

BTW Se can also be motivation if one considers it takes into account the outside world for what it really is. EG that housework really needs done because it is there, that job really needs to be applied for because the reality of the number in the bank account. But equally someone can be aware but still decide not to act on the awareness. So there is something deeper within a person which motivates them to live, ironic considering socionic functions are explained as being 'deep in the psyche'.

[Aylen]

Yeah, even reading Jungs stuff he talks about Se being accepting the external world of things as what they are, Si is about taking the external world and processing it so internally a large object is reduced in size, a small object is increased in size, like Se seeing a physical thing for what it is but a failed version of that. This in itself, although condensed, is still a bit vague. How also it moves onto other ideas about these functions which might equally be vague - eg because Si processes the external world internally, then it means it's about how you feel right? So Si is about physical health. Maybe, maybe not, it works sometimes.

I think more and more that functions are really about attitudes and attitudes can change. Not just that type can change (Jung believed type can change) but also we can see the world for what it is (Se) then some other time during the day we are lost in our own thoughts, day dreaming (Ni), I'm pretty sure that when someone becomes or is adjusted that the impact of type, the impact of attitude reduces.

BTW Se can also be motivation if one considers it takes into account the outside world for what it really is. EG that housework really needs done because it is there, that job really needs to be applied for because the reality of the number in the bank account. But equally someone can be aware but still decide not to act on the awareness. So there is something deeper within a person which motivates them to live, ironic considering socionic functions are explained as being 'deep in the psyche'.

We talked about this a bit before but I want to bring up the IEI and common sense thing here. I have noticed that many young IEI appear to lack some common sense. Perhaps it is the "fantasy world" we live in. I am pretty sure most people have no real sense of what our inner world actually consists of and that is why the term unicorn is so freely thrown about but that is for another conversation, another time. My aunt would always tell me I lacked common sense as a child/teens into my 20s. She was wrong. I just processed things differently. As I get older I am able to use my other functions more efficiently or at the very least notice where I am lacking and compensate for it.

As a child I walked into walls and misjudged physical distance, among other things, quite often. I would lift things way too heavy for my tiny size only because I had no concept of weight. I would rearrange furniture all by myself only because I did not think it too heavy to move. As I got older I gained a sense of distance and weight and in doing so I stopped trying to do some things I would have done without thinking as a child./teen. I realized that I could possibly seriously hurt myself by not paying attention to such things and was lucky so far.

I notice this with younger IEI in my family. They walk around sometimes with a lack of awareness of their physical surroundings. By doing this they inadvertently end up spilling, breaking things or misplacing things. When I am all in my head I still do this too. I try to be more aware of my physical situation now more than I ever had in the past. In return I have fewer "accidents". hahah

So yeah I used to get annoyed being told I lacked common sense. I have spoke of the light socket incident when I was a child and put some metal in the socket to see what it would do. It was not a good outcome but I learned from experience. I had no fear as a child and no limits because in my mind I was some kind of super-being forced to incarnate into human form. I have lost some of that magic I feel more vulnerable now than I ever have in my life but I would not go back. Experience is the greatest teacher regardless of strong or weak functions. I have learned by trial and error. I still do but at least now I have more self awareness and common sense.

[FDG]

Um, could I just ask, why should a non-Se user try to strengthen their Se?

I also believe this is the "correct" (aka most effective for you and those around you) way to live your life.

[Words]

We talked about this a bit before but I want to bring up the IEI and common sense thing here. I have noticed that many young IEI appear to lack some common sense. Perhaps it is the "fantasy world" we live in. I am pretty sure most people have no real sense of what our inner world actually consists of and that is why the term unicorn is so freely thrown about but that is for another conversation, another time. My aunt would always tell me I lacked common sense as a child/teens into my 20s. She was wrong. I just processed things differently. As I get older I am able to use my other functions more efficiently or at the very least notice where I am lacking and compensate for it.

As a child I walked into walls and misjudged physical distance, among other things, quite often. I would lift things way too heavy for my tiny size only because I had no concept of weight. I would rearrange furniture all by myself only because I did not think it too heavy to move. As I got older I gained a sense of distance and weight and in doing so I stopped trying to do some things I would have done without thinking as a child./teen. I realized that I could possibly seriously hurt myself by not paying attention to such things and was lucky so far.

I notice this with younger IEI in my family. They walk around sometimes with a lack of awareness of their physical surroundings. By doing this they inadvertently end up spilling, breaking things or misplacing things. When I am all in my head I still do this too. I try to be more aware of my physical situation now more than I ever had in the past. In return I have fewer "accidents". hahah

So yeah I used to get annoyed being told I lacked common sense. I have spoke of the light socket incident when I was a child and put some metal in the socket to see what it would do. It was not a good outcome but I learned from experience. I had no fear as a child and no limits because in my mind I was some kind of super-being forced to incarnate into human form. I have lost some of that magic I feel more vulnerable now than I ever have in my life but I would not go back. Experience is the greatest teacher regardless of strong or weak functions. I have learned by trial and error. I still do but at least now I have more self awareness and common sense.

This is really interesting Aylen, thanks

I thought some things, I thought about how what you are referring to, in a way it is linked to the three typical components of IQ measurement, which are numerical skills, visual-spatial ability and language skills.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial...zation_ability

Spatial visualization ability or visual-spatial ability is the ability to mentally manipulate 2-dimensional and 3-dimensional figures. It is typically measured with simple cognitive tests and is predictive of user performance with some kinds of user interfaces.

In a way this is sort of correlated with Se, as it involves the manipulation of physical objects, shapes, objects in space.

And that men are typically found to be higher in verbal-spatial ability than women:

According to certain studies, men on average have one standard deviation higher spatial intelligence quotient than women.[2] This domain is one of the few where clear sex differences in cognition appear.

I remember Jung saying in his psychological types that Se in the base function is found almost exclusively in men. Now far be it from me to go so far as to link verbal-spatial ability to Se lol, but hey, if people have the time, maybe doing verbal-spacial puzzles could help improve their Se? Hmm could be ones involving tasks as you mentioned, judging distances, moving objects etc.

lol but most of that is nonesense haha, just playing around I suppose.

But yar, IEIs are not lacking common sense, I agree, they are pretty smart at getting things to go well in the long term, given their intuitive knack at avoiding mistakes. Guess when they happen Se types can club there way through em, Ni types they just don't have to get to that

[Myst]

I remember Jung saying in his psychological types that Se in the base function is found almost exclusively in men.

What was actually said was that the majority of this type are men. Not exclusively men. Just a small correction because the conclusion will be less strong this way

Now far be it from me to go so far as to link verbal-spatial ability to Se lol, but hey, if people have the time, maybe doing verbal-spacial puzzles could help improve their Se? Hmm could be ones involving tasks as you mentioned, judging distances, moving objects etc.

You probably did a typo twice, you mean visual, not verbal, right? Men are less verbal than women. I guess it was a typo, just saying in case

Yes practicing can help, sure, I don't know how much the learned skill can transfer from the specific task to other situations tho', idk if there's any research on that.

[Words]

What was actually said was that the majority of this type are men. Not exclusively men. Just a small correction because the conclusion will be less strong this way

I didn't say exclusively I said almost exclusively

You probably did a typo twice, you mean visual, not verbal, right? Men are less verbal than women. I guess it was a typo, just saying in case

Yes that was a typo.

Yes practicing can help, sure, I don't know how much the learned skill can transfer from the specific task to other situations tho', idk if there's any research on that.

I'm not being too serious in my post, but I would say that practicing distances and estimating the outcome of manipulation of objects will improve with practice in anyone. Far better to do estimation of weights and the direct force required in the physical world to improve skill in it.

[Myst]

I didn't say exclusively I said almost exclusively

I'd assign a different range to "majority" but I don't really care to nitpick that much atm

I'm not being too serious in my post, but I would say that practicing distances and estimating the outcome of manipulation of objects will improve with practice in anyone. Far better to do estimation of weights and the direct force required in the physical world to improve skill in it.

Yeah, just the question is how much practice leads to how much improvement and how generally it can be transferred to unpracticed situations but anyway I don't want to discourage anyone from trying.

[Words]

I'd assign a different range to "majority" but I don't really care to nitpick that much atm

Then why start?

Yeah, just the question is how much practice leads to how much improvement and how generally it can be transferred to unpracticed situations but anyway I don't want to discourage anyone from trying.

You could consider an analogy of playing a musical instrument. Everyone will get better with practice, some people will get better than others. Practicing how to play a tune will stand you in good stead when you try to play another tune, or another fiddle lol.

[Myst]

Then why start?

I meant I didn't feel like going on with it after clarifying it enough.

You could consider an analogy of playing a musical instrument. Everyone will get better with practice, some people will get better than others. Practicing how to play a tune will stand you in good stead when you try to play another tune, or another fiddle lol.

Yeah that's a fine analogy... especially with the note that some people get better at it than others. Anyway, I'm still not discouraging anyone from trying to get better at things

[Ananke]

This may have been addressed in the thread (I didn't read through it) but how does willpower come into play regarding that description of Se in your OP @Ananke? You've described really well the way in which data is collected via Se over time in terms of this uncanny ability to just know the forcefulness of a person, situation etc, but in enacting one's will or force in a given situation, how would you describe that process as it is happening?

To be honest, I don't personally think of Se as volition, but I guess it's how others see it? This is what wikisocion says about it:

Se: Perceives information about what might be called objects' "kinetic energy" — for example, information about how organized/mobilized a person is, his physical energy and power, and his ability to make use of his willpower or position and exercise his will in opposition to others'. This perception implies the ability to tell what reserves of "kinetic energy" people have and how useful they can be in getting things done. It defines the individual's ability or inability to exercise his willpower and energy in opposition to the will and energy of other people.

When this element is in the leading position, the individual possesses exceptional personal force/will. He is a born organizer of anything. He has the ability to mobilize people to achieve a goal and is able to make use of and manage animate and inanimate objects. Is able to work with things (objects) and reproduce almost any objects based on available samples. This is a reflection of his ability to organize material. These people are known for their striving to materialize their will, energy, and power, and for their desire to impose their will on others.

I guess when you know motivations, direction, strength, etc of a body (situation, idea, person, object, etc) as explained in the opening post (this is what wikisocion calls "kinetic energy"), then you also know how to move people or objects or yourself or situations. And when you know this, then you will act faster and with more certainty than other people in this realm if you want to.

Volition or will is the cognitive process by which an individual decides on and commits to a particular course of action. It is defined as purposive striving and is one of the primary human psychological functions. Others include affection (affect or feeling), motivation (goals and expectations), and cognition (thinking). Volitional processes can be applied consciously or they can be automatized as habits over time.

Most modern conceptions of volition address it as a process of conscious action control which becomes automatized (e.g. see Heckhausen and Kuhl; Gollwitzer; Boekaerts and Corno).

I think volition is an effect of the Se perception, not Se in itself. Just like everybody else, Se-egos will operate mostly in the reality they see. The world of bodies where bodies can be changed is the world Se watches. (I mean bodies in the socionics sense, as opposed to fields). From there, Se can easily see how to change a course of action (it is implicit in the other information, and thus part of Se, so call that volitional potential if you want) and then the Se-ego may chose to act in one way or another to change things (volition).

[Myst]

I think volition is an effect of the Se perception, not Se in itself. Just like everybody else, Se-egos will operate mostly in the reality they see. The world of bodies where bodies can be changed is the world Se watches. (I mean bodies in the socionics sense, as opposed to fields). From there, Se can easily see how to change a course of action (it is implicit in the other information, and thus part of Se, so call that volitional potential if you want) and then the Se-ego may chose to act in one way or another to change things (volition).

Right I really see it as simple as Se being involved with the tangible world and that involvement naturally includes the motivation to achieve tangible things for which the needed motivation and willpower will be inevitably visible and so it will also have to be part of the Se perception of objects/people, incl. having to be able to perceive opposition in a refined way as a natural consequence.

Btw I recall an IEE's post on this forum thinking that Se egos just have a better memory for remembering the objects that they wanted to achieve something about, lol, that good memory is at best a consequence of the Se volition and not willpower itself.

[Skepsis]

I didn't even notice I did this until the OP mentioned how weak Se imagines what is going on around them. I was waiting inline and a person behind me dropped something and it made a loud thud. Everyone in front turned their heads to look and I just kept looking forward thinking that someone probably just dropped merchandise or something out of their purse. While I did that, I thought of this thread and realized I've done this quite a bit throughout my life(imagining what the sound was) as if I'm too lazy to turn my head. Strange.

[wacey]

I have heard these same words from two unconnected people. One, a SLE, and the other a SEE. "Just make it happen". Does't matter what context, or event is occurring. The same approach is brought to both of them: make it happen. Actually do the thing that is meant to be done. The how and the why might belong to other Informational elements, but the perception to act and the the act itself by the person could be said to be belonging to Se.

As Se base people are throughout their entire lifetimes familiar with "making it happen", then it is small wonder they are often adept individuals in whatever sphere they find themselves in. Meaning rich or poor, they make "it" happen.

All symptoms stem from this one frame of mind. Which is not really a conceptual framework, although this is built over time. It is just a way of being, an ego block that sees and does.

[FDG]

I have heard these same words from two unconnected people. One, a SLE, and the other a SEE. "Just make it happen". Does't matter what context, or event is occurring. The same approach is brought to both of them: make it happen. Actually do the thing that is meant to be done. The how and the why might belong to other Informational elements, but the perception to act and the the act itself by the person could be said to be belonging to Se.

As Se base people are throughout their entire lifetimes familiar with "making it happen", then it is small wonder they are often adept individuals in whatever sphere they find themselves in. Meaning rich or poor, they make "it" happen.

Yeah, perhaps, they often make a lot of bullshit and nonsense happen as well, though. Or they make "it" happen at an excessive cost for everyone around them.

[Myst]

Yeah, perhaps, they often make a lot of bullshit and nonsense happen as well, though. Or they make "it" happen at an excessive cost for everyone around them.

Well, Ni+Se together is best.

[wacey]

Yeah, perhaps, they often make a lot of bullshit and nonsense happen as well, though. Or they make "it" happen at an excessive cost for everyone around them.

Sigh, I know. Those guys....

[Aylen]

Well, Ni+Se together is best.

I am so going to use you right now... to share our earlier conversation.

I think I do pick up on the external objects in reality pretty well. I just filter them through Ni and in that way I am probably never going to strengthen my Se in a way that it will be fully conscious. I notice the birds, the trees, colors, the guy smoking on the corner (giving me a weird look) and all that other external solid reality stuff but in a way it feels more dreamlike to me than the internal intuitive state, I am used to, which feels more solid, to me, in a sense. I had written about this in the "how do you drive" thread before but I only considered this was an unconscious use of Se after talking to Myst today. My inner world does feel pretty solid to me and the outer world can feel surreal when I am processing Se through Ni. I do remind myself to watch out for walls, to pay attention when I put something down so I do not lose it or to hold onto my cup so I don't spill it.


"AYLEN: heh i like driving on open roads alone
no other cars in my way but i can navigate around others pretty fast
my reflexes seem to be fastest when i drive
as in i can see when someone is about to cut me off and i have swerved to avoid being hit.
my sle friend was amazed at that lol
they said it was like i already know what is happening into the future lol
which is kind of true because on the road a half mile ahead is my future
so i am looking ahead at what the patterns of traffic are and like i use this stuff without thinking"

To me praise of my Se use from a Se ego feels pretty damn good. I get to feel all badass for a moment. I also get a sense of satisfaction being praised on Ti but it is different. Like more content but it doesn't make me feel as cocky and ready to rule the world.

[Ananke]

Yeah, perhaps, they often make a lot of bullshit and nonsense happen as well, though. Or they make "it" happen at an excessive cost for everyone around them.

Si ignoring may make SXEs take on more than they should, thinking the Si life path is something others have to worry about. This often goes quite well, though, as SXEs have an uncanny ability of renewing themselves.

Weak Ni may make SXEs try to do things that obviously are hard, but that is also why Se compliments Ni so well, as this behavior often breaks up an obvious Ni destiny path and creates a new Ni destiny. It's what EP functions do, break Pi faith patterns.

[Words]

Si ignoring may make SXEs take on more than they should, thinking the Si life path is something others have to worry about. This often goes quite well, though, as SXEs have an uncanny ability of renewing themselves.

Weak Ni may make SXEs try to do things that obviously are hard, but that is also why Se compliments Ni so well, as this behavior often breaks up an obvious Ni destiny path and creates a new Ni destiny. It's what EP functions do, break Pi faith patterns.

I don't know if it is about doing things that are hard, it is more so IMO about creating a turbulence that something they want, others have to suffer. Whether it is for them to look good, they will take your time and talent and forget to mention you, or it is just that they want an audience to talk about some escapade they were involved in, not realising others may not wish to listen or be subjected to it (or care) which could be tied into Fi weakness too.

[wacey]

I don't know if it is about doing things that are hard, it is more so IMO about creating a turbulence that something they want, others have to suffer. Whether it is for them to look good, they will take your time and talent and forget to mention you, or it is just that they want an audience to talk about some escapade they were involved in, not realising others may not wish to listen or be subjected to it (or care) which could be tied into Fi weakness too.

Yeah.

[Ananke]

I don't know if it is about doing things that are hard, it is more so IMO about creating a turbulence that something they want, others have to suffer.

Letting others suffer to get what they want? Really? Stop trolling this thread, please.

Whether it is for them to look good, they will take your time and talent and forget to mention you,

That is not type related, that is egoism and pettiness related.

or it is just that they want an audience to talk about some escapade they were involved in, not realising others may not wish to listen or be subjected to it (or care) which could be tied into Fi weakness too.

Gamma SFs aren't weak at Fi, but in case this is beta ST related, I would say it is a mutual responsibility to not end up in such situations. I find it impolite to listen if not interested. People who don't want to listen should voice it, not just stand there and let others waste their breath and energy.

[Ananke]

Yeah.

Are you using your Se that way?

[wacey]

Are you using your Se that way?

He is talking about SLE.....

[Ananke]

He is talking about SLE.....

No, it was a follow up comment on FDG's post about how this is Se-related, and my comments on how it is not. Also, this thread is about Se, not SLEs

[wacey]

Be that as it may, Words comment was about SLE and perhaps to a lesser extent SEE (like IEE, SEE can be equally flippant).

And anyway, my original comment about "making it happen" with Se base types had no value statements attached to them. Those guys added these and I was simply agreeing.

Like this

[Ananke]

Be that as it may, Words comment was about SLE and perhaps to a lesser extent SEE (like IEE, SEE can be equally flippant).

In that case you need better SLE friends, if you agree that SLEs let others suffer to get what they want or steal ideas to look good. I've seen people do such things, but I haven't noticed them being a specific type. The way people do such stuff will probably differ based on type, though.

[wacey]

In that case you need better SLE friends, if you agree that SLEs let others suffer to get what they want or steal ideas to look good. I've seen people do such things, but I haven't noticed them being a specific type. The way people do such stuff will probably differ based on type, though.

You could be right. I could say more, but I think I will jut leave it there. This isn't specifically a SLE thread and besides I'm not into generalizing right now.

[Enoch]

On Se-

I also feel that volitional forces or motivations having to do with Se, probably is more about where it is within the functional stacking, and also it's development or it's strength/weakness,

A person with weak Se like myself, would seek this function or help with this function externally- both consciously and unconsciously;

I also like how the functions are described as being deep within the core of the psyche, which is why I believe a person's type to remain static, I think its pathology/mental illness that clouds the type or retards the type

[FDG]

This often goes quite well, though, as SXEs have an uncanny ability of renewing themselves..

May surely go well for them, not necessarily for their surrouding environment, that's why I don't love to subject myself to the long-term influence of Se doms. Short term it's pretty good

[Skepsis]

I am so going to use you right now... to share our earlier conversation.

I think I do pick up on the external objects in reality pretty well. I just filter them through Ni and in that way I am probably never going to strengthen my Se in a way that it will be fully conscious. I notice the birds, the trees, colors, the guy smoking on the corner (giving me a weird look) and all that other external solid reality stuff but in a way it feels more dreamlike to me than the internal intuitive state, I am used to, which feels more solid, to me, in a sense. I had written about this in the "how do you drive" thread before but I only considered this was an unconscious use of Se after talking to Myst today. My inner world does feel pretty solid to me and the outer world can feel surreal when I am processing Se through Ni. I do remind myself to watch out for walls, to pay attention when I put something down so I do not lose it or to hold onto my cup so I don't spill it.


"AYLEN: heh i like driving on open roads alone
no other cars in my way but i can navigate around others pretty fast
my reflexes seem to be fastest when i drive
as in i can see when someone is about to cut me off and i have swerved to avoid being hit.
my sle friend was amazed at that lol
they said it was like i already know what is happening into the future lol
which is kind of true because on the road a half mile ahead is my future
so i am looking ahead at what the patterns of traffic are and like i use this stuff without thinking"

To me praise of my Se use from a Se ego feels pretty damn good. I get to feel all badass for a moment. I also get a sense of satisfaction being praised on Ti but it is different. Like more content but it doesn't make me feel as cocky and ready to rule the world.

Something similar here, though not exact. Se seems like a barely conscious function. It actually takes an incredible amount of mental energy to focus externally for long, but I can do it, often without thinking about it which can surprise myself and others. Perfect example is that while I'm lost in my thoughts working on something, my clumsy hands drop an object and I somehow reach out and catch it, or I use my leg to break its fall. Someone will say, "Wow, nice reflexes." I'm like uh....yeah I'm like a ninja

I may sometimes see something that no one else does. Otherwise, I'm pretty oblivious to most things. Sometimes I'll see something that has probably been in its location for years and ask someone how long that's been there, shit like that. I also become exhausted if I focus on a sports game for too long, either participating or observing.

Baseline is high mental focus and low worldly focus.

[Beautiful sky]

You (the general you) can help strength my Se by picking up more of my to do list thereby preventing me from complaining of lack of energy and will. That would help a lot

I hear freaky noises coming from outside and im scared. what if it's a robbery.:

[Satan]

You (the general you) can help strength my Se by picking up more of my to do list thereby preventing me from complaining of lack of energy and will. That would help a lot

I hear freaky noises coming from outside and im scared. what if it's a robbery.:

what's on your todo list?

you should go out and check what's happening.

[Beautiful sky]

what's on your todo list?

you should go out and check what's happening.

Go buy 4 pillows
Fix the freezer
Fix the squeaky closet door
Scrub the shower (I've maintained it clean for montha but heavy handed work is due)
Get a book case assemble it
Wash the car
Deliver donations to goodwill
Wax the car

Im not going out there. Its midnight anything bad could be happeningr