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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteButterfly View Post
    I thought it was interesting that's why I shared, maybe there is some truth to it.
    Maybe, maybe, too many maybe's.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    @Myst, I think the idea behind socionics-enneagram correlations is that if socionics makes adjustments in the how realm and ennea in why, there are going to be some commonalities. for example, an IEI's particular brand of persuasion wouldn't achieve 8 goals as easily.

    That being said, I haven't seen a strong case that any ennea-socionics correlation can't happen, just that... if you're sure of your enneatype and your sociotype doesn't work with it, you may be mistyped in socionics.

    (I say socionics because it's overflowing with bullshit and ennea isn't as... ambitious.)

    On the other hand, I think an unusual ennea-socionics combination (and there are some I buy more easily than others... LSI 8 is harder for me to accept than ILI 4, for example. and NO I'm not going to explain it again, lol) can make it harder to type people. An ESI 6 might be cut and dry when an ESI 4 might not be, so much
    OK. So in terms of the how/why (socionics vs enneagram), why is LSI E8 a problem for you? Explain like you did with IEI E8.


    okay I'm not the smartest person ever but I know myself pretty well, and from what I can gather I'd be ILI in socionics and 4 in enneagram. I don't see what else I would be (possibly SLI, I guess)

    am I really mistyped though? lol I spent... way too much time figuring it out, and digging through bullshit, and admitting I wasn't good at things I'd like to be, etc. Maybe the system is unusable
    I know another ILI E4 though she's got a lot of Fi, EII isn't out of the question.


    lol calling it bollocks doesn't make it so... evidence, Myst!

    oh wait... this is all theoretical systemization based on individual speculation... wait, wait... THERE IS NO EVIDENCE? Whatever shall we do!

    you can't actually definitively identify even one person who is one type for sure. take it with a grain of salt, yo.
    As long as a theory is directly pointing to something real, it's fine and I do think socionics for example does talk about some real things. That post I responded to, however, went way too far in the theoretical realm, way past the point where we can link it to evidence directly.

    So that's my evidence for it being bollocks haha (to be precise, it's highly unlikely that such theorizing is actually valid when checked out in reality)


    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    I'm not sure at all. I kind of hate enneagram for the same reasons that chemical finds it useful. It's this subjective rendering of organization that is more of a 'fun' tool that may provide an insight or two about sociotypes. The main problem is finding convergence among cases; it seems that two examples of e1s can look very different mainly due to the lack of the cognitive element that socionics has. Enneagram has about the same power as a person with observational abilities and a decent vocabulary whereas it seems socionics gets at something more hidden
    Sure two E1s can look very different, this is normal. Same thing in Socionics, two people of the same socionics type can and will look very different. Enneagram does get at something deeper/hidden too. It doesn't look like you know Enneagram very well, though. The shared element between the people of the same type is not a cognitive one like in Socionics but it's still there.

    Also, sure maybe some people figure out those things without using Enneagram but not everyone, apparently. I certainly didn't. I mean I did notice things about myself before getting into typology but I didn't have an explanation for them because I didn't take the time to observe patterns in my life. Enneagram was a good quick shortcut for recognizing them At the same time, Socionics is also not that terribly unique, some of its principles can be found elsewhere, independent of Socionics.
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