I have a VI. Care to type me? Take a stab, its just info for me.

[Words]

I would not say that I'm the best at people's real feelings or intentions as I'm not good wit Fe

That I would agree with!

[QuickTwist]

Oh yeah, sure, feeling somber/sad/sorrow is my favorite emotion, but there is plenty of anger and angst to go around as well. Its really not as bad as it seems though. I feel just OK most of the time.

[Edit] I think sadness is the most beautiful of all the emotions.

[Beautiful sky]

That I would agree with!

I'm much better at forming ethical and moral boundaries, judging the external world by them, maintaining relationships, and helping people talk about their feelings

[Aylen]

Oh yeah, sure, feeling somber/sad/sorrow is my favorite emotion, but there is plenty of anger and angst to go around as well. Its really not as bad as it seems though. I feel just OK most of the time.

[Edit] I think sadness is the most beautiful of all the emotions.

Yeah I like to torture myself sometimes and wallow in it. I can turn just about any situation sad, if I feel the need to express that kind of energy. Then I get tired of myself doing it and shift to another emotion. I can wallow for long periods and intensify my own sadness then want to be all alone because "no one understands me". In those states no one, but me, can pull me out of it. Some call it depression but for me it is what I have known my whole life and part of my natural cycles.

I have gone the route of medications too though but I chose to go off the prescription drugs awhile back. They zapped energy and my creativity. I am not suggesting you do anything like that. I did it under the guidance of a psychiatrist and a therapist who fought him on my behalf to get me off the meds so that my therapy could help me recall everything that I was hiding from myself. The meds were counterproductive to what I needed to find out about myself.

Again not suggesting anyone does this on their own or if they are in a state of vulnerability. I just knew I didn't want to spend the rest of my life on them.

[Aylen]

I would not say that I'm the best at people's real feelings or intentions as I'm not good wit Fe

I would say this is the area of true empathy and not Fe since Fe seems more about influencing the other's emotions and general atmosphere. I can tell when someone with better Fe than me walks into a room because they can take it over and play the crowd, sts. In a good way usually. Empathy is more about experiencing the other's intentions and feelings as your own so why wouldn't Fi be able to do this? I am not well versed on Fi so please give me the simplest version of what Fi does, in your opinion? Just seems empathy is not related to the functions at all when you put it this way.

https://psychology-tools.com/empathy-quotient/

Your Empathy Quotient score was 61 out of a possible 80.

I will start a thread...

Edit: If you choose to answer I made a thread.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...pathy-Fi-or-Fe

[Beautiful sky]

I would say this is the area of true empathy and not Fe since Fe seems more about influencing the other's emotions and general atmosphere. I can tell when someone with better Fe than me walks into a room because they can take it over and play the crowd, sts. In a good way usually. Empathy is more about experiencing the other's intentions and feelings as your own so why wouldn't Fi be able to do this? I am not well versed on Fi so please give me the simplest version of what Fi does, in your opinion? Just seems empathy is not related to the functions at all when you put it this way.

https://psychology-tools.com/empathy-quotient/

Your Empathy Quotient score was 61 out of a possible 80.

I will start a thread...

Edit: If you choose to answer I made a thread.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...pathy-Fi-or-Fe

Because Fi remains quiet and feels while Fe is too busy stirring the pot to get people showing emotions. I hug and tenderly touch while feeling the pain of my father so that he won't get mad while he's in pain about how my sister jokes to lighten the situation. I sit next to him and he says "honey it hurts and I haven't slept all night" and I can say I know dad I'm hereand I'm asking the nurses to make sure that you get your meds on time. I offer better reassuance

[Aylen]

Because Fi remains quiet and feels while Fe is too busy stirring the pot to get people showing emotions. I hug and tenderly touch while feeling the pain of my father so that he won't get mad while he's in pain about how my sister jokes to lighten the situation. I sit next to him and he says "honey it hurts and I haven't slept all night" and I can say I know dad I'm hereand I'm asking the nurses to make sure that you get your meds on time. I offer better reassuance

I did the same thing as you and your sister when my dad was dying. I lightened the mood when called for but I also comforted him. I just knew when to do either. I made a thread about this if you want to answer there. Fe is not always about stirring the pot.

[Beautiful sky]

I did the same thing as you and your sister when my dad was dying. I lightened the mood when called for but I also comforted him. I just knew when to do either. I made a thread about this if you want to answer there. Fe is not always about stirring the pot.

I don't understand why you're telling me this. I don't really care what you do. I know what I do and what my sister does. she and I are total extremes in the opposite directions. While she cries and gets hysterical and loudly, I pull myself aside and am too closed in.

[Aylen]

I don't understand why you're telling me this. I don't really care what you do. I know what I do and what my sister does. she and I are total extremes in the opposite directions. While she cries and gets hysterical and loudly, I pull myself aside and am too closed in.

Thanks for the empathy. I told you because you brought up the whole idea and tried to explain it with Fi and Fe. You explained nothing about either but gave me some good information on your ability to empathize.

[Beautiful sky]

Thanks for the empathy. I told you because you brought up the whole idea and tried to explain it with Fi and Fe. You explained nothing about either but gave me some good information on your ability to empathize.

How is me saying that I don't care about what you do not empathizing. My empathy is towards something way more important than someone I don't know, at least right now. When that situation for me is clear and well, I can invest my emotions and time towards someone else, in the mean time I am not paying attention to your needs and I don't have to.

[Aylen]

How is me saying that I don't care about what you do not empathizing. My empathy is towards something way more important than someone I don't know, at least right now. When that situation for me is clear and well, I can invest my emotions and time towards someone else, in the mean time I am not paying attention to your needs and I don't have to.

I never asked you to pay attention to my needs. I asked some simple questions. If you want to respond further please keep this in the FI - Fe thread I started since we have derailed this enough.

[Iris]

How is me saying that I don't care about what you do not empathizing. My empathy is towards something way more important than someone I don't know, at least right now. When that situation for me is clear and well, I can invest my emotions and time towards someone else, in the mean time I am not paying attention to your needs and I don't have to.

Ouch. That reads more like Fi polr than Fi base, in my opinion.

[Beautiful sky]

Ouch. That reads more like Fi polr than Fi base, in my opinion.

Outxh you don't know how to type....just saying

[golden]

Outxh you don't know how to type....just saying

I don't think she's literally trying to type you. It sounds like she's just saying it seems insensitive to her.

Ouch. That reads more like Fi polr than Fi base, in my opinion.

It's hard to take if it's not what you do, but it's Fi. I've seen it in INFjs, usually more subtly. It works well in action with LSE, who can stay focused on general principles and ambitions, and in service of that be an upstanding citizen and treat "the masses" well, but the closer you get to him/her, the less well you'll be treated. It's hard to get close, to form the bond. So this particular aspect of Fi in Maritsa's statements emphasizes the converse, treating people who are closer to you with greater care and tuning out the people beyond your immediate circle.

Of course, that can go too far also, which is where her statements are ouchy. She needs LSE to help her universalize her caring sentiments.

[Words]

I don't understand why you're telling me this. I don't really care what you do. I know what I do and what my sister does. she and I are total extremes in the opposite directions. While she cries and gets hysterical and loudly, I pull myself aside and am too closed in.

If you've nothing positive to say, if you can't spare a moment to listen to someone talking about a clearly emotionally important issue with nothing positive to say, why take the time to say anything, why not just say nothing? I don't get this lack of common decency amongst those who espouse to have such values in abundance.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't think she's literally trying to type you. It sounds like she's just saying it seems insensitive to her.



It's hard to take if it's not what you do, but it's Fi. I've seen it in INFjs, usually more subtly. It works well in action with LSE, who can stay focused on general principles and ambitions, and in service of that be an upstanding citizen and treat "the masses" well, but the closer you get to him/her, the less well you'll be treated. It's hard to get close, to form the bond. So this particular aspect of Fi in Maritsa's statements emphasizes the converse, treating people who are closer to you with greater care and tuning out the people beyond your immediate circle.

Of course, that can go too far also, which is where her statements are ouchy. She needs LSE to help her universalize her caring sentiments.

she's an idiot she won't even understand what you say , but you're right

[Beautiful sky]

If you've nothing positive to say, if you can't spare a moment to listen to someone talking about a clearly emotionally important issue with nothing positive to say, why take the time to say anything, why not just say nothing? I don't get this lack of common decency amongst those who espouse to have such values in abundance.

i would love to have you leave me alone. She upsets me. When someone upsets you don't you get upset? Mr Nice guy?

[Words]

She upsets me. When someone upsets you don't you get upset? Mr Nice guy?

No i'm not particularly endowed with heart warming lovey dovey qualities but I don't claim to be either.

BUT I did remember reading about you mentioning the situation with your relative and I did approach it with more tact than you. I'd rather not be particularly rude or gruff but I know I have that way about me, just don't understand why you say you don't when you actually do.

[Iris]

she's an idiot she won't even understand what you say , but you're right

Wow. You are calling me an idiot. How does this name-calling help humanity?

[Iris]

I don't think she's literally trying to type you. It sounds like she's just saying it seems insensitive to her.



It's hard to take if it's not what you do, but it's Fi. I've seen it in INFjs, usually more subtly. It works well in action with LSE, who can stay focused on general principles and ambitions, and in service of that be an upstanding citizen and treat "the masses" well, but the closer you get to him/her, the less well you'll be treated. It's hard to get close, to form the bond. So this particular aspect of Fi in Maritsa's statements emphasizes the converse, treating people who are closer to you with greater care and tuning out the people beyond your immediate circle.

Of course, that can go too far also, which is where her statements are ouchy. She needs LSE to help her universalize her caring sentiments.

Thanks, Golden. I thought it was the EII who helped the LSE be more aware of the correct humanitarian approach in social matters. I will have to study this a little more. Of course, me being an idiot doesn't help matters...

[Aylen]

No i'm not particularly endowed with heart warming lovey dovey qualities but I don't claim to be either.

BUT I did remember reading about you mentioning the situation with your relative and I did approach it with more tact than you. I'd rather not be particularly rude or gruff but I know I have that way about me, just don't understand why you say you don't when you actually do.

Wow. You are calling me an idiot. How does this name-calling help humanity?

I was looking for clarity and it turned out to be an energy drain. I gained some clarity anyway, from all the responses. @GOLDEN my sister is EII and she is more subtle like you mentioned.I could not see her publicly responding the same way because she has a wider awareness of how others may perceive her but she might be thinking and feeling similar. I am used to this kind of thing but was trying to grasp it more through a socionics context. Maritsa has put herself out as being knowledgeable and able to help people through socioncs. If something that I said upset her then I am not sure how she is going to help someone else understand. This is my experience with her but maybe others vibe with her that way.

Maybe it upset her because I talked about helping my dad when he was dying and she did not like that associated with what she is going through with her dad. I could actually understand that if that is the case. Who knows...

[golden]

Thanks, Golden. I thought it was the EII who helped the LSE be more aware of the correct humanitarian approach in social matters. I will have to study this a little more. Of course, me being an idiot doesn't help matters...

Lol at the idiot part. All the following is ime:

 

LSEs aren't social in the sense that you or I might think of. That is, they aren't interpersonally adept, but they usually are socially motivated. They aren't called the administrator for nothing -- they're often into organization and management of human systems. Their relations to people therefore will often be within the framework of overarching ideas.

So LSEs are really motivated to have human relations go smoothly. They will usually be affable enough, they will make jokes, they will seem agreeable. They can be an odd combination of "upstanding citizen" and "quirky." There's a routinized quality to these behaviors and attitudes.

And this approach breaks down in two areas I can think of, which may overlap but which I'll treat as separate:

(a) when human emotional truths get overlooked in favor of the systemic requirements, and (b) when intimate relationships require sustained attention and nuanced understanding.

With regard to item A, let's say the LSE does something like solve a systems problem, but overlooks how some people are going to feel about that solution, and those people are pissed off or offended. An Fi type can help the LSE understand what s/he missed, but I find that it actually doesn't have to be an Fi type who does this. So long as the LSE still hasn't found a workable human-systems solution, s/he will evaluate the advice according to whether it seems like it will solve the problem, regardless of where it's coming from. If it doesn't get into Ni pattern stuff, s/he can digest it.

But with regard to B, the intimate-world matters, I really think only Fi types can get through to them with regard to their lapses into what I think of as "cruelty by omission."

That doesn't mean the Fi person will actually fix a specific thing the LSE is doing that hurts a person, though. So the best help is long-term and indirect -- I actually think it's better for the Fi person to keep the LSE focused on the emotional contours of their personal sphere, because if the LSE learns how to treat the people close to him/her well, it's good training for how to treat people beyond it. The Fi person, with Ne creative, will also keep the LSE focused on the best possibilities for using his / her strengths, and over time the LSE will therefore stay away from situations that s/he can't handle.

When I say that LSE will universalize the Fi stuff, I just mean that Fi can be extremely nearsighted and not understand that the dynamics between individuals are bound by and feeding into the larger system that the LSE is always so focused on. So the LSE will give the Fi person a bigger context and pull them out of their painful, prickly, tedious feeling world.

[Iris]

Lol at the idiot part. All the following is ime:

 

LSEs aren't social in the sense that you or I might think of. That is, they aren't interpersonally adept, but they usually are socially motivated. They aren't called the administrator for nothing -- they're often into organization and management of human systems. Their relations to people therefore will often be within the framework of overarching ideas.

So LSEs are really motivated to have human relations go smoothly. They will usually be affable enough, they will make jokes, they will seem agreeable. They can be an odd combination of "upstanding citizen" and "quirky." There's a routinized quality to these behaviors and attitudes.

And this approach breaks down in two areas I can think of, which may overlap but which I'll treat as separate:

(a) when human emotional truths get overlooked in favor of the systemic requirements, and (b) when intimate relationships require sustained attention and nuanced understanding.

With regard to item A, let's say the LSE does something like solve a systems problem, but overlooks how some people are going to feel about that solution, and those people are pissed off or offended. An Fi type can help the LSE understand what s/he missed, but I find that it actually doesn't have to be an Fi type who does this. So long as the LSE still hasn't found a workable human-systems solution, s/he will evaluate the advice according to whether it seems like it will solve the problem, regardless of where it's coming from. If it doesn't get into Ni pattern stuff, they'll digest it.

But with regard to B, the intimate-world matters, I really think only Fi types can get through to them with regard to their lapses into what I think of as "cruelty by omission."

That doesn't mean the Fi person will actually fix a specific thing the LSE is doing that hurts a person, though. So the best help is long-term and indirect -- I actually think it's better for the Fi person to keep the LSE focused on the emotional contours of their personal sphere, because if the LSE learns how to treat the people close to him/her well, it's good training for how to treat people beyond it. The Fi person, with Ne creative, will also keep the LSE focused on the best possibilities for using his / her strengths, and over time the LSE will therefore stay away from situations that s/he can't handle.

When I say that LSE will universalize the Fi stuff, I just mean that Fi can be extremely nearsighted and not understand that the dynamics between individuals are bound by and feeding into the larger system that the LSE is always so focused on. So the LSE will give the Fi person a bigger context and pull them out of their painful, prickly, tedious feeling world.

Thanks for sharing. I will take some time to reflect on it.

Here is a description of EIIs (the Humanist) from the Socionics duality descriptions that I have used to type some of my EII friends. It does seem to imply an ability to translate inner humanistic values into external behavior and words that can improve communication.

"The Humanist is very attentive towards people, which is not applicable to his dual who is interested more in results of work and communication rather than in the very process. For this reason The Administrator, who is usually reserved and polite, may give way to irritation and wrath, especially when people take his precious time. At such moments he loses the feeling of tactfulness, may become blunt. He needs an ever-reserved, diplomatic and peaceful partner by his side. The Humanist softens ethical mistakes of his dual, performs peacemaking activities. By his persuasions he softens harsh behavior of the Administrator, appeals to his inborn nobility, magnanimity and conscience. By doing this, he facilitates communication with others... "

[golden]

Thanks for sharing. I will take some time to reflect on it.

Here is a description of EIIs (the Humanist) from the Socionics duality descriptions that I have used to type some of my EII friends. It does seem to imply an ability to translate inner humanistic values into external behavior and words that can improve communication.

"The Humanist is very attentive towards people, which is not applicable to his dual who is interested more in results of work and communication rather than in the very process. For this reason The Administrator, who is usually reserved and polite, may give way to irritation and wrath, especially when people take his precious time. At such moments he loses the feeling of tactfulness, may become blunt. He needs an ever-reserved, diplomatic and peaceful partner by his side. The Humanist softens ethical mistakes of his dual, performs peacemaking activities. By his persuasions he softens harsh behavior of the Administrator, appeals to his inborn nobility, magnanimity and conscience. By doing this, he facilitates communication with others... "

Yeah, I know what all the descriptions say, which is why I posted my thoughts. I've found that I have to interpret these descriptions according to biases -- those of the people who wrote them, as well as my own.

For example, "anger," mentioned in the description you quoted? To me, anger means drama, it means amplification, it's always direct and fierce. But some LSEs don't seem to show their anger in that way. (I know two of them who do. One is E8, and the other is a lunatic bitch.) Some angry LSEs, from my pov, just look kind of like they smelled something nasty or have severe indigestion. They might or might not say something harsh, it depends on a lot of factors. Apart from what their affect looks like, they will, however, make harsh decisions, do things with harsh consequences for people, out of anger, or just because of cluelessness.

And from an Fe point of view, Fi dom doesn't look like the peacemaking people person of that description (and others). To me, Fi dom looks kind of cold and prickly.

[Words]

Yeah, I know what all the descriptions say, which is why I posted my thoughts. I've found that I have to interpret these descriptions according to biases -- those of the people who wrote them, as well as my own.

For example, "anger," mentioned in the description you quoted? To me, anger means drama, it means amplification, it's always direct and fierce. But some LSEs don't seem to show their anger in that way. (I know two of them who do. One is E8, and the other is a lunatic bitch.) Some angry LSEs, from my pov, just look kind of like they smelled something nasty or have severe indigestion. They might or might not say something harsh, it depends on a lot of factors. Apart from what their affect looks like, they will, however, make harsh decisions, do things with harsh consequences for people, out of anger, or just because of cluelessness.

And from an Fe point of view, Fi dom doesn't look like the peacemaking people person of that description (and others). To me, Fi dom looks kind of cold and prickly.

FWIW I feel Jung captures some of the patterns you mention in his function descriptions in chapter 10 of psychological types.

[golden]

I was looking for clarity ...

Mistake number one.

@GOLDEN my sister is EII and she is more subtle like you mentioned.I could not see her publicly responding the same way because she has a wider awareness of how others may perceive her but she might be thinking and feeling similar. I am used to this kind of thing but was trying to grasp it more through a socionics context. Maritsa has put herself out as being knowledgeable and able to help people through socioncs. If something that I said upset her then I am not sure how she is going to help someone else understand. This is my experience with her but maybe others vibe with her that way.

Maybe it upset her because I talked about helping my dad when he was dying and she did not like that associated with what she is going through with her dad. I could actually understand that if that is the case. Who knows...

Sorry about your loss of your dad.

[golden]

FWIW I feel Jung captures some of the patterns you mention in his function descriptions in chapter 10 of psychological types.

I haven't read the Jung in some time but remember finding that material helpful. Jung described more of what a type's world looks like, less of what a type looks like.

[Aylen]

I read this as if it was directed at me. If someone said this to me when my father was in the hospital or whatever, I would probably feel offended because it sounds like you are implying you did more to help your father than what Marista said she is doing, or that you are capable of doing more. It could possibly seem rude or insensitive, if taken a certain way. I probably wouldn't have lashed out the way Marista did, but I'd probably start becoming cold, distant, and harbor some resentment towards you for a while. You also kept quoting and mentioning her, so maybe she felt like you were singling her out and intruding on her space...idk that's just how I would have interpreted it.
I don't think you probably meant it the way you did, but I think that if someone took it that way when they were already stressed out about their father, it might rub them the wrong way.
Anyway, I'm not justifying anyone's behavior here because I don't think it's right to call anyone an idiot, but we don't always know what people are going through in their real lives off of the internet. Calling someone an idiot at times could be enough to drive someone already standing on the edge, off of it, too. Not saying Iris is, but you get my drift...

Well I was thinking more in terms of me mentioning my dad dying bothering her, which occurred to me after I said it, than what she and her sister did and I understand if some people would be uncomfortable with that. She made a point of using herself and her sister's behavior at the hospital as a difference between Fi and Fe when I asked for her to explain to me why she was not good at knowing people's real feelings and intentions. I feel if she was that sensitive about it in the way you suggest she would not have used that as her example and she made her sister sound insensitive and uncaring by claiming her sister wanted to make their father mad and by showing too much emotion which she said like it was a bad thing, to me. I have no way of knowing what her sister feels or her intentions and from her admission of not knowing people's real feelings, I don't think she does either. I felt she was dismissing her sister as not doing enough in the same way you could see my response coming off that way to her.

I mentioned and quoted her because this was not the thread for us to discuss the subject in and I was keeping it in context. I asked a mod to move our posts but they haven't yet. She talks of her empathy all the time and puts herself out as knowing more about socionics than a lot of other people. When I first joined I thought that was true and didn't get why people gave her such a hard time but not anymore. I was not the one who brought up her dad's situation. She could have used so many other examples. Her using the one she did made me feel more empathy for her though. I heard about her father quite some time ago so to me this was not something new.

@GOLDEN

Thank you. Some time has passed and I am at peace with it. Time does heal. <-- at least for me it does.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't think she's literally trying to type you. It sounds like she's just saying it seems insensitive to her.



It's hard to take if it's not what you do, but it's Fi. I've seen it in INFjs, usually more subtly. It works well in action with LSE, who can stay focused on general principles and ambitions, and in service of that be an upstanding citizen and treat "the masses" well, but the closer you get to him/her, the less well you'll be treated. It's hard to get close, to form the bond. So this particular aspect of Fi in Maritsa's statements emphasizes the converse, treating people who are closer to you with greater care and tuning out the people beyond your immediate circle.

Of course, that can go too far also, which is where her statements are ouchy. She needs LSE to help her universalize her caring sentiments.

She's been trying to retype me in the longest. Ugh. Once under my skin always there.

[wacey]

It's hard to take if it's not what you do, but it's Fi. I've seen it in INFjs, usually more subtly. It works well in action with LSE, who can stay focused on general principles and ambitions, and in service of that be an upstanding citizen and treat "the masses" well, but the closer you get to him/her, the less well you'll be treated. It's hard to get close, to form the bond. So this particular aspect of Fi in statements emphasizes the converse, treating people who are closer to you with greater care and tuning out the people beyond your immediate circle.

Of course, that can go too far also, which is where [their] statements are ouchy. [EII's] need LSE to help universalize [their] caring sentiments.

Hi, may I buy a drink?

[Beautiful sky]

No i'm not particularly endowed with heart warming lovey dovey qualities but I don't claim to be either.

BUT I did remember reading about you mentioning the situation with your relative and I did approach it with more tact than you. I'd rather not be particularly rude or gruff but I know I have that way about me, just don't understand why you say you don't when you actually do.

Why am I being told all of this. Why do you care if I am or not. You don't know me and never met me. Everything here should be at surface level.

[Beautiful sky]

I read this as if it was directed at me. If someone said this to me when my father was in the hospital or whatever, I would probably feel offended because it sounds like you are implying you did more to help your father than what Marista said she is doing, or that you are capable of doing more. It could possibly seem rude or insensitive, if taken a certain way. I probably wouldn't have lashed out the way Marista did, but I'd probably start becoming cold, distant, and harbor some resentment towards you for a while. You also kept quoting and mentioning her, so maybe she felt like you were singling her out and intruding on her space...idk that's just how I would have interpreted it.
I don't think you probably meant it to come off that way, but I think that if someone took it that way when they were already stressed out about their father, it might rub them the wrong way.
Anyway, I'm not justifying anyone's behavior here because I don't think it's right to call anyone an idiot, but we don't always know what people are going through in their real lives off of the internet. Calling someone an idiot at times could be enough to drive someone already standing on the edge, off of it, too. Not saying Iris is, but you get my drift...

All of the above. Sorry @Aylen. Sometimes my emotions, because they are internal, react unexpectedly with full force, that is why Te works best for me as a match because they trace the events that happen and explain it back, saying things like "I can understand why you're upset honey, you worry about your father, and you haven't gotten any rest; I feel the same way too about my father" essentially what LSE is doing is that they are bringing light of actions that have happened or are happening that shed light on sequence of events at the same time offering up valuable information about me how I come off and am like, providing shape to me by descriptive words. I feel bad but you really should not have opened this thread at this time, but you also could not have known that I've been stressed and upset. My feelings are for my father and what's going on now.

[Beautiful sky]

I think he's SLI too

[QuickTwist]

I think he's SLI too

I just can't identify with or get behind the description of SLI. I don't know why, Its just not how I see myself.

[QuickTwist]

@QuickTwist

Such a 4. Post some stuff to the Enneagram 4 thread? It can be cathartic.

Heh... yeah I am a 4 all the way. I will try to post some stuff in the Enneagram 4 thread, but I usually need something to relate to for a point of reference about how that thing makes me feel. This is why I like art so much I think.

[QuickTwist]

GOLDEN, I don't know that you have explicitly said what type you think I am. I would love to hear your thoughts on what type I might be.

[Radio]

Static type through and through. Cannot be IP.

[QuickTwist]

Static type through and through. Cannot be IP.

I don't know where or what you are using to base this on but it don't seem too true to me...

[Radio]

I don't know where or what you are using to base this on but it don't seem too true to me...

you talk like SubT.

[Aylen]

I don't see that at all. Subt doesn't really vibe like anyone else on this forum to me, except for birdie (possibly). Maybe if you are talking about a slightly dark, brooding, and chill energy but other than that I am not sure how they "talk the same".