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    From http://www.socionikaskola.lv/en/soci...208-raksts-bnn


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    She explains that a competent and talented manager’s motto sounds something like this: “I want, I can, I always have plenty of energy to do things.” People of this type cannot live any way other than managing something all the time. Such people easily handle problematic situations, they are practical thinkers. Also, they easily handle numbers and handle resource management.

    Only six types of people out of sixteen can become successful businessmen. An entire set of in-born characteristic traits decide whether or not a person becomes a successful businessmen in the future. These traits are cultivated throughout a person’s life along with relevant knowledge and skills.



    However, every other type of personality also has its own advantages and skills. Representatives of specific personality types that can potentially become good journalists, psychologists or photographers cannot become good managers. A charismatic teacher cannot work as a good financier.

    “If a person learns his personality type, it would be easier to select the areas he can apply his skills to their full potential. Of course, many personality types can become managers of small companies. But is its important to keep in mind specific areas of expertise”, – she says.

    She makes a reliable point. For example, ENTjs are the perfect stereotype of a businessman - restless, always wanting to work and manage, numbers-focused, etc. ENTjs are definitely born to succeed in business.

    If an ISFp or an INFp had to compete against an ENTj in a general sphere of management and entrepreneurship, the ENTj will win most of the time. (Yes, there are the rare exceptions where if an ISFp were designing clothes or art and then selling it, then the ISFp would win).


    What are the 6 types she's talking about?

    At first I thought it was the 6 central quadra types (excluding ESI and IEI) which are EIE, LSI, SLE, LIE, SEE, and ILI from http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ss-Competition.

    I definitely agree with most of them except for EIE and SEE.

    If I were choosing the types, I'd replace EIE and SEE with LSE and SLI (because Te > Fe/Fi in business).

    I may be wrong.

    What types do you think make the best businessmen?


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    ENTjs are best at small scale economic ventures like used car salesmanship. their Te doesn't really give their thinking a visionary style where they easily predict what "the masses" want. as a result their ventures err on the side of being too conservative, too unimaginative.

    INTps are like this too and to an exaggerated extent. they're typically accountants and business analysts with no real interest in visionary "steve jobs" style thinking or directive action in the first place.

    ENTp, ESTp and ENFj are the most natural and common company leaders.

    INTjs, like Tim Cook, are the best strategists for company management, but they rely a lot on their "second-in-commands" to get things done. they are ideal for the job but it's not as simple for them to get there.

    the typical progression is from a merry extrovert company founder to a base Ti heir. after that, the company has to pass on to Serious quadra types or the visionary management style will be inappropriate to the times. it's only very late that the Serious types enter the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gzaw View Post
    From http://www.socionikaskola.lv/en/soci...208-raksts-bnn


    She makes a reliable point. For example, ENTjs are the perfect stereotype of a businessman - restless, always wanting to work and manage, numbers-focused, etc. ENTjs are definitely born to succeed in business.

    If an ISFp or an INFp had to compete against an ENTj in a general sphere of management and entrepreneurship, the ENTj will win most of the time. (Yes, there are the rare exceptions where if an ISFp were designing clothes or art and then selling it, then the ISFp would win).


    What are the 6 types she's talking about?

    At first I thought it was the 6 central quadra types (excluding ESI and IEI) which are EIE, LSI, SLE, LIE, SEE, and ILI from http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ss-Competition.

    I definitely agree with most of them except for EIE and SEE.

    If I were choosing the types, I'd replace EIE and SEE with LSE and SLI (because Te > Fe/Fi in business).

    I may be wrong.

    What types do you think make the best businessmen?


    You are right in a way .

    ENTJ, ESTP, ESTJ , mby even ENTP, ENFJ and ESFP make the best businessmen . No LIE I know sold used cars . It's the type with most vision and strategic attributes in my opinion ( I mean facts in my life showed me that ). SLE could be good salesmen but mby they are more ambitious and make something of their life . ESTJ is the most hardworking , typically in smaller management positions or satisfied about a more conformist monotonous job that brings them a good salary and mby a team to lead .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lecter View Post
    ENTjs are best at small scale economic ventures like used car salesmanship. their Te doesn't really give their thinking a visionary style where they easily predict what "the masses" want. as a result their ventures err on the side of being too conservative, too unimaginative.

    INTps are like this too and to an exaggerated extent. they're typically accountants and business analysts with no real interest in visionary "steve jobs" style thinking or directive action in the first place.

    ENTp, ESTp and ENFj are the most natural and common company leaders.

    INTjs, like Tim Cook, are the best strategists for company management, but they rely a lot on their "second-in-commands" to get things done. they are ideal for the job but it's not as simple for them to get there.

    the typical progression is from a merry extrovert company founder to a base Ti heir. after that, the company has to pass on to Serious quadra types or the visionary management style will be inappropriate to the times. it's only very late that the Serious types enter the picture.
    I think it really depends on the business. Mainstream mature businesses aren't all that interesting to some types, western innovative focused business going to appeal to Merry Extx while ENFj owners are quite common in fashion, art, service, industries.

    I think maybe in Central/Eastern Europe and Latvia, it's not as possible for a ILE to create a business, much less popularize innovation. It has no real fashion, art or service market.

    I think ILE's are not really natural at business, American business environment is pretty suited for ILE business people however, as the model for business is Venture/Innovation oriented with a lot of seed capital, angel investors, etc. In Latvia, the environment isn't suited for a ILE business person starting something from the grounds up.

    I think ILE business people are more capital dependent and are not particularly good at building something from the grounds up without funding, as ILE do not prioritize immediate profits and venture into unknown territory, they need security in this manner. ILE entrepreneurs like Ted Turner, Howard Hughes inherited significant wealth, and Ted lost most of it due to misplaying the power struggle within Warner Brothers later in his life while Howard Hughes had mental issues, especially after his accident. ILE's aren't really suited for the kind of power struggle that occur when business mature and internal political conflicts starts to dominate the proceedings. Of course Ted is the 2nd biggest landowner in the us and still a billionaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lecter View Post
    ENTp, ESTp and ENFj are the most natural and common company leaders.
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    Estps, not really imho. The other two i agree.

    I agree that LIEs being result types may not be that great at building social empires like apple but we're still strategic so the used car salesmanship is usually a way to accumulate capital to eventually put into practice our peculiar pet projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Estps, not really imho. The other two i agree.

    I agree that LIEs being result types may not be that great at building social empires like apple but we're still strategic so the used car salesmanship is usually a way to accumulate capital to eventually put into practice our peculiar pet projects.
    What type is Steve Jobs? I hear ENTx and ENFj, though I'm not sure.

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    "Businessperson" encompasses too much. I'm considering doing an MBA, and the different concentrations range from accounting to marketing to entrepreneurship to global exchange to organizational psychology. Obviously there's a place for a lot of diff ppl in that range. It isn't all E-suite and sales even if that is a traditional model and still exists.

    And there are too many kinds of businesses to exclude half the socion from this arena. That said, business environments in the U.S. have been changing. Definitely more inclusive than in the past. The business students at my university were almost all male frat types and wore fucking suits to classes and were in.suff.er.able. Shallow as hell. I could not have endured that.

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    I've seen some excellent SEE managers. Some of the best managers I've seen and worked with are SEE. Not sure why you discount us.

    I think LIEs can make excellent executives, but I think they are overrated when it comes to middle management and anything lower.

    I think industry can make a difference, too.

    Anyway, my vote is for SEE, SLE, LIE, EIE, and LSE.
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    Depends on the occupation. i work in a cubicle research environment, and the best people are LIEs SLEs LIIs LSEs (only in leadership roles) SLI and me, cuz I is da bess.

    EIEs LSIs and ILIs drown in my office.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    I don't even think ENTJs are all that great at business. They pursue their interests and do it with a passion, which can help if it's also what they do for a living. But they could give fuck-all for the social aspects of business or what people think. the masses are asses anyway, let a Ti type play with that political crap, selling visionary shit, and influencing the masses with the stuff pulled out of their asses. hey, that rhymes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
    I But they could give fuck-all for the social aspects of business or what people think.
    That's where the SF types should normally be helpful.
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    I'd say SLE, ILE, LIE, LSE (all 4D Te, business style communication). Se ego is more likely to be desirous and wanting to acquire more territory, like a typical successful entrepreneur does. So double for SLE. LSE does it without trying.
    For the other two types, I would say LSI and ESI based on a fascinating Se creative description I've read.

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Extraverted_sensing
    Scroll down to Golihov's descriptions.
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    I have hard time at seeing why non Te valuer would gravitate towards business for business sake. I wouldn't unless it provides something for valued IMEs like mobilising Fe and since this never occurred I don't even think about it.
    #1 it requires network of people with capabilities.
    #2 something truly novel but it needs to meet the needs of others.
    #3 no preposterous business meetings and networking (it gets awkward and monotonous). Yucky!

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    John Lennon was an EIE-Ni. Michael Jackson was an EIE-Ni. Sega of America was run by Tom Kalinske an EIE. Apple was run by an EIE (intuitive subtype I guess). nvidia is run by an EIE (intuitive subtype I guess). They were all financially successful businessmen.

    My dad started one of the most financially successful family medical practices in Virginia (made about 2x the average income of all american family physicians) and he is an EIE-Ni, though he had little to do with it's growth and he said he wouldn't have grown it like it was if decisions had stayed in hands, he said he would've just kept a smaller office and outsourced more.

    I'd say that EIE are probably better business people than LIE as EIE create better product and LIE are prone to too many miscalculations (Ni is smoother, works better for EIE than it does for LIE), the EIE's Ti-valuing helps in making their products more elegant and EIE's have better access to and use superior lawyers. EIE's products are also more beautiful, LIE can create some shitty looking and sounding things because of how Si-PoLR manifests differently between the two.

    But now for the bottom line: LSE-Si are probably the most successful company founders and leaders (John D Rockefeller and Louis B. Mayer were LSE-Si and I think Francois Pinault is LSE-Si, Jeff Bezos may be LSE-Si) and I think a lot of Dutch people were LSE-Si and the Dutch were known for capitalism. LSE-Si can calculate and distribute resources very well, are more interested in new technologies independent of whether the new technologies are popular and they have strong, valued Si, so they don't really need to be Fe-valuing to be successful, they have Te to tell to people how to do everything and to make sure their products have a lot practical or pleasurable use, and their Activating Ne really serves them well (they know who and can find out where the most competent people are and can get them to work for them). All of those, especially combined, go way further than having process base Fe IMO (LSE-Si are better than EIE-Ni at assessing talent and designing systems to promote performance even though some EIE think their the masters at those things). the LSE-Si and EIE-Ni are both dynamic, process, and negativist, so their standards are both going to be high, but LSE-Si valued functions are more important IMO.

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    These 6 types go big or they go home. In other words, if someone is going to go big, it is probably going to be one of these types and again if someone is going to go home, it is probably going to be one of these types.

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