– Claudio Naranjo, Character and Neurosis: An Integrative View. . . To elucidate further its existential interpretation we need to understand the vicious circle by which not only antic obscuration supports lust, but lust, in its impetuous grasping of the tangible, entails an impoverishment of tender qualities and subtlety which results in a loss of wholeness and thus in a loss of being. It is as if the lusty character, in his impatience for satisfaction, shifts to an excessively concrete notion of his goal as pleasure, wealth, triumph, and so forth-only to find that this reaching, substituted for being, leaves him forever dissatisfied, craving intensity.
The situation may be explained through the paradigm of the rapist-an extrapolation of the lusty predator's approach to life. He has given up the expectation of being wanted, to say nothing of love. He takes for granted that he will only get what he takes. As a taker, he could not succeed if he were to be concerned with the fancy of other people's feelings. The way to be a winner is clear: to put winning before all else; likewise, the way to having one's needs met is to forget the other. The world without others of the more anti-social ennea-type VIII, however, is no more full of true aliveness than that of the schizoid ennea- type V. Just as the schizoid misses the experience of value and being through the loss of relationship, so does the psychopath, in spite of seeming to be contactful, involved, and brimming with intense emotion.
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Hidden as it may be behind the enthusiastic expansiveness, jollity, and seductive charm of the lusty, it is the loss of relationship, the suppression of tenderness, and the denial of the love need that result in the loss of wholeness and sense of being.
Ennea-type VIII pursues being, then, in pleasure and in the power to find his pleasure, yet through an insistence on overpowering becomes incapable of receiving-when being can only be known in a receptive attitude. . . .
in other words, the type 8 precludes getting what they really want in how they go about trying to get it. which is really the lesson of all 9 types, just with differing specifics. the type 8 pursues being in terms of pleasure and power, but being is a product, first of all, of receptiveness-- to first realize what it is you're aiming at and why; to skip over that renders most goals empty and the process of doing so constitutes a waste of time, that for as long as one is preoccupied with it, precludes achievement of the deeper true goal. it sounds a lot like the Se/Ni relationship with Se types frequently skipping to whether or not they can vs whether or not they should. the definition of the type 8 is then the proclivity to double down on the process thus deepening the problem--i.e. continually taking the lesson to be "more force is needed to get what I want" when the opposite is true, and required to untie the knot they're in
Freelee on youtube is such an 8 Her video titles are attention-grabbing and (some) people hate her because she is so honest and straight-forward, sometimes to a fault. Quick typing of her: sp/sx 8w9, 874
Powerful social eight performance! More SO/SP than SO/SX.
8w7 so/sp (LSE) - Till Lindemann
8w7 sp/so (SEE) - Phil Anselmo
8w9 syn-flow (ESE) - Erik Aude
This was my favorite concert of theirs.
...So not only is any toddler throwing a tantrum an 8, any unattractive and not particularly intellectually gifted woman also is! What ever would I do without you to inform me about the nuances of the great enneagram?
More 846 - Truth Teller
The core of the plot in "Groundhog Day" is the personal growth of its protagonist Phil.
He starts out as a grumpy, unlikable jerk with an unjustifiably high opinion of himself.
As he realizes he keeps experiencing the same day over and over again, he eventually moves to average 5 and tries to develop his expertise at various different things (which is also similar to Type 7; average to unhealthy 5s can slip into Type 7 behavior), mainly out of boredom.
"Groundhog Day" is a great movie about how our Ego limits ourselves, and how we tend to get stuck in a rut where everything keeps happening the same way over and over again, and until we realize this and try to make the best out of the life and self we are given, and try to better ourselves, nothing will ever change.
"this someone is just using me to get something from me.."
- Which is true. (Network marketing)
I'm actually talking about networking here okay. (work related)
Building genuine connections like friendship is something i treasure.
But work related, building network to get a job is stupid for me. Get a fucking skill. Study. Pursue something. Don't be a fucking leech.
But ofcourse you can ask for help for someone. Just ask for help. But don't expect that you will get something you want just because of that someone. There are rules. And even if you get something from someone, it still depends on your skills if you will going to last on something you have achieved just because of connections.
Building connections for work is self-preservation and social co-operating, so it's the most natural for someone sx last, mostly sp/so because they are doing it for the benefit of work and career
Frank Sinatra was a 8w7 I've read! I mean he still makes headlines like this one:
Womanizer Frank Sinatra wanted to 'save Marilyn Monroe by marrying her': New book reveals
My favorite tune, and I think it sums up the 874 tritype quite well:
Frank Sinatra helped a lot of women in his career. The entertainment industry was pretty hard on people then, and if someone he liked needed help, he'd help them. He didn't make a big deal of it, either.
I'm 8w7, and I also try to lend a hand to people who need help. The really difficult part of that inclination is to figure out exactly what kind of help they really need, and to what extent, because sometimes, what they say they need is not what will help them the most.
I really don't think that marrying someone to "save" them is a good idea, although I can understand the thinking there.
I think it is best to provide a person in trouble with a safe space and the support of a true friend, and let them decide how they want to save themselves.
I kind of have similar thoughts with exception of productiveness crap and limiting distractions.
Measuring you right now
Winning is for losers
Your life is too short to actually do anything useful with it without being wasteful.
Can't stay at home, can't stay at school.
Old folks say 'You poor little fool'.
Down the streets I'm the girl next door.
I'm the fox you've been waiting for.
Hello, daddy. Hello, mom.
I'm your ch-ch-ch-cherry bomb!
Hello world! I'm your wild girl.
I'm your ch-ch-ch-cherry bomb!
And I'm what you desire, like a siren in the night
Originally Posted by Starfall7w6 2w3 8w9 - The Free Spirit
ugh this is why I hate enneascam. Putting yourself in serious jeopardy shouldn't be glorified as something 'healthy'; how retarded. Maybe unfortunately (and sadly) necessary given the circumstances but fuck this shit.Level 1 (At Their Best): Become self-restrained and magnanimous, merciful and forbearing, mastering self through their self-surrender to a higher authority. Courageous, willing to put self in serious jeopardy to achieve their vision and have a lasting influence. May achieve true heroism and historical greatness.
Enneagram Communication Styles - Type 8
Talk Style: Bold, direct, unemotional, matter of fact, brash, impactful, empowering, offensive or limit pushing.
Energy: Strong, solid, powerful, intimidating, big, overpowering, irreverent, laconic.
Image Statement: I am strong; I am a survivor, I am in charge; I protect. Eights see themselves as strong and in charge. They want others to recognize their strength and to the extent they feel vulnerable they will project more power.
Conflict Style: Blustery, domineering, violent, unemotional, dismissive, uncaring, rageful, vengeful. Eights are triggered by feeling controlled or dominated or by feelings of abandonment or disloyalty. Eights may become domineering, aggressive or incredibly cold when triggered.
Conflict Resolution: Stand your ground and do not waiver in your opinion. They want someone who can hold their own against them. 8s will spar with people they love to test their strength. Try and set ground rules in an argument with an 8 and don’t be afraid to let them know if they hurt your feelings (this often surprises them). Try not to react to their intimidation tactics but don’t egg them on either.
8w9 so/sx teenager (Te-LIE?) - his mom seems 6w7
That's a hyper-literal interpretation of the "social" instinct.
Social firsts do isolate themselves periodically, especially in the pursuit of some interest such as writing a book or creating music.
They aren't always being social in the conventional meaning of the word.