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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    makes too much of an effort being idiosyncratic and whining about it, self-indulgence/self-absorbed. 4 as the individualist or bohemian sums it up very well. 3 conforms and strives to excel a lot more, feels above and not below. jeffree is pretty close (368 tritype, ethical extravert), yet pierre isn't exactly the "ugh can't relate look at my posessions" guy. it's different quadra values as well playing into it, star is all about that .
    He's a 4w3 too.

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    4w3


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    social 4w3

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    4w5


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    sp 4w5 af tbh

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    all of his lyrics are textbook 4 to a humorous degree... as for Moz himself, I believe he is EIE 4w3 so/sp. 461 probably.

    "Others conquered love - but I ran
    I sat in my room and I drew up a plan
    but plans can fall through as so often they do
    and time is against me now"

    "I wear black on the outside
    'Cause black is how I feel on the inside
    And if I seem a little strange
    Well, that's because I am
    But I know that you would like me
    If only you could see me"

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    Wholsesome 4ishness

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    ESI 4w3 all the themes are there, the 3s ''big cars and mansions'', dread and hate, jealousy and envy of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chae View Post
    Pierre XO — Social 4w3 68

    i do agree with him being 4w3... even stereotypically so. though i think he's sx-first > social


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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    4w5

    Whoaa...!
    The first time in my 5 yrs of dim meandering in typology that I see someone not confuse 4w5 with 5w4. Me being a 4w3 social variant, I cannot help but doubt if she is social too. Social 4s, if I remember the definition correctly, usually postpone their artistic passion in favor of more intellectual pursuits, they do not hone the passion and that's also owed to shame. So I guess standing in front of such a crowd with minimal stage fright may make her an Sx/Sp 4w5??? In contrast, in spite of her visibly self-surrendering trait, which is a prerequisite of the 4, she is still very determined to let the art out as it is (less self-criticism). After some more digging, I reckon that's actually her genre: the current pop/indie mixed with her touch. And the problem with that is that it's got style over substance (repetitive patterns stacked over each other, simple lyrics, mostly one-way melody, the sadness of which is interrupted by hip-hop playfulness). So her heavy use of technological propping up for a lack of talent + conformity to a mainstream "sonic language" does lead back to social. She maybe a social 4w5 but in the 2nd position of her tritype (and possibly a 7+4 ENFP, similar to Eva Green). She's got some talent, apparently, in playing the keyboard + the technicalities of music production. Yet she's predominantly leaning towards the building-, production stage, instead of the more abstract, theoretical compositional stage. What this means is that the uplifting talk about "translation" and "conversion" is not entirely valid in her case. We don't emote in only one particular genre (-set of instruments, stock sound fx, singing style, etc).

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    so after checking her channel it's clear that the "tormented artist" image (Western European meme) or persona that she adopts for her Tedx presentation was only just a one-off thing. Most of the time, however, she is this upbeat gangxta slampoetry rapping hip-hop woman with a noticeable flair of sadness to her character (but one that witch doesn't entirely take over the latter). She still has the superficiality, flakiness of the ENFPs/liberal extroverts: within the 16 minutes of her independent Ted presentation, she fails to answer the very question of her thesis: "How to translate feeling into sound?" (unless "splurging on a fortressful of synths and a DJ mixing deck to start with" was the answer). Her treatise on music semiotics is clearly a red herring, digression, prevarication, pretext only for her heart-wrenching performance (with the suggested message:"let us all extroverts buy some fruity music gear to helps us introvert (and stop perpetually traveling) like the Fi-doms naturally do, so as to be able to process our emotions, heal the lumps"), that which in turn is also a pretext for the advertisement of her supposedly soulful music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    The nature of fixation is that it repeats and repeats, it doesn't wake up to itself, even when we're deeply immersed in enneagram wisdom and have been working on or looking at this stuff for many years."
    Urghhh. That's some heavy.... heavy... void of karmic darkness. Oh my gaawwwd!
    Erhm, so anyways, where are you guys meet/join up to plot for blowing up the whole world?


    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    4 so/sx

    wut???
    LOL. DDDDD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neokortex View Post
    So I guess standing in front of such a crowd with minimal stage fright may make her an Sx/Sp 4w5??? In contrast, in spite of her visibly self-surrendering trait, which is a prerequisite of the 4, she is still very determined to let the art out as it is (less self-criticism). (...) She maybe a social 4w5 but in the 2nd position of her tritype (and possibly a 7+4 ENFP, similar to Eva Green).


    i remember watching this video at some point and the way she presents herself & her life story seemed sx/so & sp-blindspot to me back then, but i haven't looked to deeply into it. i still think sx/so is the most likely stacking at this point, especially since she seems to be so comfortable with connecting to the audience/public (in the ted talk video).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post


    i remember watching this video at some point and the way she presents herself & her life story seemed sx/so & sp-blindspot to me back then, but i haven't looked to deeply into it. i still think sx/so is the most likely stacking at this point, especially since she seems to be so comfortable with connecting to the audience/public (in the ted talk video).
    Heads-up: I've expanded a bit my comment on Claudio. I've seen her rapping here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO7ynbc90wQ and don't think she's sx/so. But I'm not ruling out 4w3... either that or her 7 preceding the 4 gives her a sparkly powa! that we know as the cheesiness of the ENFPs. There's actually a most-probably ENFP member on PerC who also does a lot of DJish music mixing (along with heavy social media publicization). My ex-short-term friend, retrospectively an ENFP, was also doing his hip-hop on computer and most of it was set up for live performance. Hence, I criticized him for overfocusing on the lyrics, instead of going "the classical" way about the song structure. On the other hand, Eva Green might be an Sx/So 9, as well as an ENTP. Thinking of the type of nudism she did in the Dreamers (2000), I think that's more... intimate (for a sexual fantasy) than a template a screenwriter would use to spice up an otherwise foreign movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post

    Karen McDougal - 4w5 so/sx (SEI-Fe?)


    Why is she a 4w5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by india View Post
    hes not a 4. 3w4 probably. he obviously thinks hes above everyone in how he comes across. hes so gross. not saying 3s are gross but he is. gives me a really weird vibe
    he wants the shine of being different and unique, its not like he is ashamed of being flawed and weird like a 4 is. hes very normal actually lol
    Well, someone thinking they're above everyone else is usually a way of hiding feelings of inferiority, whether they admit this or not. Coming across as "normal" can also be a way of covering up feelings of weirdness and alienation.


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    4w5 (sp/so?)



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    4w3 so/sp


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    tale of a sx 4w3


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    Tons of great music guys. Fiona Apple, The Smiths, The Cure, NIN, Mazzy Star. I'm seeing a lot here

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    4w5

    Looked at the stuff... hey, if there's even as much as an ounce of sadness in a music video... does that make it "special?" If one aspect of Enneagram 4 is present and expanded on in a movie... does that altogether make it an "Ennegram 4 themed movie?" Special has become the new ordinary. I just can't wait to see an American film done in the vein of Ingmar Bergman's Scenes from a Marriage (1973), that is, with realistic acting and plausible life drama. Indeed, there's plenty of So/Sx fantasy in what you posted and a lot of is similar to what my INTJ So/Sx 5w4 (w/ a 4?) old pal is binging on: Marvel/~like flix-wrapping of easily digestible (i.e. not nuanced) emotions/drama amped to the max (e.g. "Why did you do this to me Lokiiiii??!!! Whyyyyy???!!) by the Sx, their expression magnified by the fantasy/action scenarios ("I show my pain by tearing a whole building down!").1 Yet if you see only an aspect of a type because of flat characters written into the moneyshot script only, then how does that not distort the representation of the overall type?

    You have left one aspect of E4 out of consideration: the aspect that So/Sx 4s lack: elitism, snobbishness. It would be odd, wouldn't it, if these films and music videos criticized themselves for being not ordinary but supraordinary, schlock and parvenu (a self-criticism that made Charlie Kaufman's Adaptation relatable)? My intuition says their production was not lead by E4 people, neither are the actors (singers) such: the whole package tries too hard to fit into the mainstream... just thinking about that synthwave drone at the end of the Alias Grace trailer. And that the only expression of drama is the "all-American" (bread-and-circus) violence.

    Of course it does not need to be all aspects of 4 presented just one or two detailed and typical and neither does it need to be coming from haute couture aesthetic. Two examples.

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    I've actually debated this with him... from what he managed to get across, is that while these series have one or more so-called protagonists, the drama is revolving around a group. So even though in one of these series the lead role is of a modern day Lucifer in America, the poignant bit is not just his drama, him having fallen in love with a human, but mostly the quips, the exchanges between his friends and family. Apparently, as an So blind spot, I'm just too self-absorbed for that.
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    movement to 2

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    Good time for a change
    See, the luck I've had
    Can make a good man
    Turn bad

    So please please please
    Let me, let me, let me
    Let me get what I want
    This time

    Haven't had a dream in a long time
    See, the life I've had
    Can make a good man bad

    So for once in my life
    Let me get what I want
    Lord knows, it would be the first time
    Lord knows, it would be the first time

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    Last edited by lynn; 01-28-2020 at 08:12 PM.

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    One of the most accurate descriptions I've seen.


    The Four with a Three-Wing

    The traits of the Four are in some degree of conflict with the traits of the Three-wing: Fours are introverted, withdrawn, vulnerable and self-aware, whereas Threes are extroverted, popular, well defended, and lack self-awareness. The Four's search for self is in marked contrats to the Three's ability to project simulated images to others without regard to the real self. The Four's fear of exposing itself (in a sense, a fear of success) is the opposite of the Three's self-display and competitive desire for success. The Four's introverted self-consciousness contrasts with the Three's charm and other extroverted social skills.

    As conflicting as these two component types are, both are nevertheless concerned with self-esteem issues: the Four tends to have low self-esteem, the Three high self-esteem. Both opposing sets of traits can coexist in the same person, although uneasily. Noteworthy examples of the Four with a Three-wing include Tennessee Williams, Maria Callas, Rudolf Nureyev, Frederic Chopin, Marcel Proust, Martha Grahm, Paul Simon, Harold Pinter, Lawrence Olivier, Robert DeNiro, Walt Whitman, Albert Camus, E.M. Forster, Gustav Mahler, Peter Illich Tchaikovsky, Charles Ryder, and Blanche DuBois.

    Because of the Three-wing, healthy people of this subtype can be sociable, ambitious, and accomplished, particularly in the arts. The are in touch with who they are and who they are becoming, but with a more extroverted, energetic dimension to them. People of this subtype are also usually ambitious, physically attractive, and possess a certain social sense, which counterbalances the Four's tendency to withdraw from others. They are adaptable, sensitive to others, and have a good sense of humor.

    Average people of this subtype may be helped out of their self-absorption by a concern for what others think of them. Since people of this subtype have the ability to project a favorable image, they are able to conceal their real emotional condition more effectively than othe other subtype: others may not realize how vulnerable or emotionally troubled they may be. Fours with a Three-wing are competitive and interested in making something of themselves in the world, but they fear success, self-exposure, and possible humiliation. However, to the degree that the Three-wing is operative, this subtype also has narcissistic tendencies (exhibitionistic desires for their behavior. And, to the degree that their narcissistic needs are unfulfilled in reality, their desires for triumph can both play a part in their fantasy life and become a focal point for disappointments.

    Since unhealthy persons of this subtype are still fundamentally Fours, they take out their aggressions principally on themselves. The are self-inhibited and alienated from others, depressed, self-contemptuous, and so forth. However, to the degree that the Three-wing plays a part in the overall personality, there will be moments when they act like unhealthy Threes. People of this subtype can be hostile and malicious; their secret envy of others will be reinforced by the Three-wing's jealousy. Exploitativeness, opportunism, and duplicity may also be present, although these traits increase their shame and guilt if they should succumb to them. The vindictive malice which we find in Threes is rarely acted upon by this subtype. If it ever is, however, neurotics of this subtype will punish themselves even more severly than they inflict pain on anyone else. Crimes of passion and suicide are possible.

    The Four with a Five-Wing

    The traits of Fours and of Fives tend to reinforce each other. Both are withdrawn types: Fours withdraw to protect their feelings, Fives to protect their security. Fours with a Five-wing will be markedly more observant of the environment, particularly of other people. There is an intellectual depth and intensity here which is not found in the other subtype, but also a corresponding social insecurity. Noteworthy examples of the Four with a Five-wing include Virginia Woolf, Franz Kafka, Ingmar Bergman, Saul Steinberg, J.D. Salinger, Bob Dylan, Soren Kierkegaard, Hermann Hesse, William Blake, and Hamlet.

    Healthy, gifted individuals of this subtype are probably the most profoundly creative of all the types because they combine intuition with insight, emotional sensitivity with intellectual comprehension, frequently with stunningly original, even prophetic, results. Four with a Five-wing burn brighter than Fours with a Three-wing, but at the risk of burning themselves out faster.

    Average persons of this subtype are given not merely to self-absorption, but to philosophical and religious speculation. Their emotional world is the dominant reality, but with a strong intellectual cast. People of this subtype tend to be extreme loners, more lacking in social connectedness than the other subtype. Thus, their artisitic expressions more completely substitute for the person than in Fours with a Three-wing. These people also frequently have an otherworldly, ethereal quality about them; they are extremely independent and unconventional to the point of eccentricity. They also tend to be secretive, intesely preoccupied with their thoughts, and purposely enigmatic in their self-expressions. Their creative ideas may also be somewhat unsual, possibly even surreal. Members of this subtype care little for communicating with those who cannot understand them. Rather, they are interested in expressing their inner vision, whether sublime or terrifying, bleak or lyrical.

    Unhealthy persons of this subtype inhabit a particularly barren and terrifying inner world. There is a self-denying, even life-denying element of inner resistance to everything outside the self, throwing all of the Four's existential problems into sharper relief. Since Four is the fundamental personality type, fours with a Five-wing are assailed by self-doubt, depression, alienation from others, inhibitions in their work, and self-contempt. To the degree that the Five-wing plays a part in the overall personality, unhealthy fours of this subtype will also resist being helped by anyone, thus increasing their alienation from others. They also tend to project their fears into the environment, resulting in distorted thinking patters which may include elements of suspicion, paranoia, and phobias. Not only are people of this subtype subject to torment from their self-hatred, they can see very little that is positive outside themselves, and they become very pessimistic about the apparant meaninglessness of life. Of all the personality types, peopleof this subtype are potentially the most isolated from themselves and from reality. They are prone to the depressive forms of schizophrenia.

    (from: Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-Discovery by Don Richard Riso)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    The Four with a Three-Wing

    Robert DeNiro

    The Four with a Five-Wing

    Hamlet.

    (from: Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-Discovery by Don Richard Riso)
    Groaaaaan. These are 6's. There are other wrong typings in there but these are the most painful.
    This is why I don't like these descriptions. Apart from personally relating to 99% of their 4 descriptions and maybe 50% to their 6, when I am a 6 in fact, their typings of people is just so off. The hyper 6-ish "To Be or Not To Be" of Hamlet is turned into a 4w5? Ouch. It just saddens me. They fucked up the public perception of 6's and 9's so much, and then proceeded to over-humanize 4 and make it too relatable to many who don't even have 4 in their Trifix. Hell, they even put the "fear of success" (6 <> 3 line) in the 4w3 descriptor...

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    ok

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    Unhealthy levels of four


    Level 7: The Alienated Depressive
    As we have just seen, self-indulgent Fours consider themselves exempt, free to live in a world of self-gratification. In time this creates a new source of anxiety: the fear that they may lose the possibility of attaining their hopes and dreams, especially their hope of self-actualization. Actualizing themselves is what Fours have always wanted, but if something happens to make them feel that that dream has been lost, they suddenly feel cut off from themselves. Something they have done or failed to do now comes home to roost, and suddenly they "spiral in" to some core of themselves, both in shock and to protect themselves from even more loss.
    Unhealthy Fours are angry at themselves for what they have done to themselves. They realize that they have wasted precious time, missed opportunities, and have fallen behind others in almost every way—personally, socially, and professionally—and they feel acutely ashamed. They envy others— everyone else seems to be happy, accomplished, and successful in the many ways in which Fours feel they are not. They see, much to their sorrow, that withdrawal into self-absorption has not turned out to be a way of finding themselves. Instead, things have gone wrong: they are wasting their lives, and they know it. They feel terribly confused and racked with self-doubt. They feel like failures—they have not accomplished anything worthwhile, and fear that they never will.
    Unhealthy Fours unconsciously inhibit themselves from having any kind of meaningful desires because they do not want to be hint any more, especially by having desires and expectations for themselves. The result is a sudden total blockage of all feelings, as if life had suddenly been drained from them. Whatever fulfillment they may once have found in their creative work, whatever hopes they may have had suddenly vanish. They instantaneously become fatigued, apathetic, alienated from themselves and others, sinking into emotional paralysis, barely able to function.
    Exerting themselves in any way is extraordinarily difficult. They cannot bring themselves to sit in front of an easel or a typewriter until their creative juices begin to flow again; nor can they call friends or go to a movie. Looking for work or finding a therapist is out of the question. They feel like staying in bed all day, and often do. Ironically, unhealthy Fours can no longer be self-indulgent even if they wanted to, because they simply cannot bring themselves to get involved with anything.
    As angry at themselves as they are, unhealthy Fours fear expressing their anger lest it make things worse. If they are angry at someone else—a romantic interest, for example—for disappointing their expectations, unhealthy Fours are so enraged that they cannot stand being in the same room with the former beloved, the object of such recent erotic obsessions. They are so angry that they hold themselves back from showing reactions of any kind, insofar as it is possible. (Others, however, can see that they look desolate, sigh deeply, and are close to tears.)
    Fours at this Level often feel that everyone has let them down. They are furious with their families, their friends, the world, and themselves, and view their problems as, if not insurmountable, certainly worse than everyone else's. Fours have always wanted to see themselves as unique, but unhealthy Fours can find uniqueness only in the degree of their suffering: they suffer more than anyone else. (It often comes as a humiliating shock to Fours in therapy or recovery to discover that others have suffered as much as they have, and in some cases even more.) However, the fact that others are also suffering does not discount the fact that unhealthy Fours really are in a great deal of pain and cannot find ways to express it or release it. Their anger and grief feel too vast to experience in their entirety, so Fours use whatever energy they have left to hold it back.
    Unhealthy Fours are still self-aware, and they realize that they are depressed and on the verge of becoming even more depressed. They know that only with the greatest difficulty will they be able to keep themselves from going under emotionally. An inner light is going out, one which they fear may never be rekindled. Everything seems to be futile and dying.

    Level 8: The Emotionally Tormented Person
    Depressed and alienated from themselves and others, unhealthy Fours go from bad to worse. They fear that because of their depression and inability to function, they are doomed. Their disappointment with themselves intensifies into a consuming self-hatred. Neurotic Fours turn against themselves with an absolutely withering self-contempt, seeing only the worst in themselves. They excoriate themselves about everything: the mistakes they have made, the time they have wasted, their unworthiness to be loved by anyone, their worthlessness as human beings. They are caught in the grip of obsessionally negative thoughts, and their relentless self-reproaches become a form of delusional thinking into which no ray of hope can intrude.
    Morbid fantasies become obsessions. They are convinced that they are outcasts in life, sacrificial victims, endlessly suffering for what their parents have done to them and what they have done to themselves. They feel pathetic, rightly rejected by everyone. They also feel guilty for existing: they have contributed nothing, and people would be better off without them. Their self-hatred is like an electron accelerator whipping incidents of virtually no significance into formidable forces, smashing them into what little self-esteem remains. Not only are unhealthy Fours convinced that they are utterly and permanently defective, they are also convinced that others regard them as contemptuously as they regard themselves. They have absolutely no self-confidence, and no reason to hope that they will ever be able to acquire any. A chasm of inner darkness has opened inside them, like a black hole draining whatever life they have.
    They are extremely distraught, yet unable to shake themselves free of the self-accusations and feelings of hopelessness plaguing them. They may sit alone for hours, barely breathing and yet violently tormented. They may burst into tears and uncontrollable sobbing, then retreat once again into silence and intense inner suffering.
    They sabotage themselves in various ways, wrecking what few opportunities remain for them and hurling irrational accusations at their remaining friends and supporters. They still hope that someone will see their plight and rescue them, that the "good parent" may still appear, but that hope seems increasingly remote and eventually becomes another source of self-torture. If there has been drug or alcohol abuse it is rapidly escalated. Their fantasies, such as they are, become morbid and death-obsessed. Everything becomes a source of torment to them: the whole of life becomes an unbearable reminder of their alienation from it. If they were once artists, their unfinished work mocks them; if they were once in love with someone, their failure in love mocks them; if they once had a family or a job, their failures there mock them as well.
    Unfortunately, some of their self-accusations may have a basis in fact. Because of their self-absorption and self-indulgence, Fours may have missed many opportunities to do something positive with their lives. To some extent, they are responsible for bringing their anguish upon themselves, and they know it—which is why their self-accusations cut so deeply. But rather than truly expiate guilt by punishing themselves, their self-hatred only destroys whatever inner resources they still possess. The only way out is to do away with their tormented consciousness altogether.

    Level 9: The Self-Destructive Person
    If conditions do not change for the better, their despair becomes so deep that neurotic Fours will attempt to destroy themselves, one way or another. When they become hopeless, what remains to be seen is the form their despair will take—whether they will kill themselves directly or indirectly, through drugs or alcohol or some other means.
    It is difficult for other personality types to understand that because of their self-hatred, neurotic Fours feel cut off from life itself. Everything in the world—everything positive, beautiful, good, and worth living for—has become a rebuke to them, and they cannot bear the thought of living that way for the rest of their lives. They must do something to escape from their crushingly negative self-consciousness. In essence, neurotic Fours must rid themselves of themselves, since they feel defeated by life and see no way of coming to life again.
    While suicide attempts as a way of eliciting help are possible, many neurotic Fours believe that they are utterly hopeless, and so intend to have their suicide work. Despairing Fours may embrace death as the final solution to the ongoing problems of their lives. Death is a welcome chance to leave their sorrows, a hoped-for annihilation of their painful self-consciousness.
    Suicide is not only a way of escaping from their intense mental suffering, it is a rebuke to others for not helping them enough, for not understanding their needs, for not caring about them. From the Four's point of view, others' lack of love and understanding has driven them to take their own life. Suicide is the ultimate act of withdrawal, an aggressive act by which Fours inflict suffering on others without having to be aggressive, or guilty, or responsible.
    Although Fours are far more likely to destroy themselves, in their emotional torment they are also capable of murdering the people they feel are responsible for mining their lives. If a major disappointment in love played a role in the Four's descent, their jealousy may overwhelm them, causing them to impulsively commit a crime of passion, killing the object of their unrequited love before taking their own lives.
    Suicide also holds another attraction: it is the one thing in life over which despairing Fours still feel they have any control. By contemplating suicide, they feel that they remain the masters of something, even if it is only the possibility of saying no to life, of refusing to go on being tormented. The mere thought that, if they wished, they could put an end to themselves is a source of comfort.
    Before they have reached this stage, Fours have doubtless thought about suicide many times. The danger is that the more they think about it, the more they may become infatuated with death as a solution to their problems. When they are in despair, having rehearsed suicide so often in their imaginations, they may act without any more consideration or warning to others.

    (Also from Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-Discovery by Don Richard Riso)

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    This is archetypal 6, straight up. Not at all close to 4:
    Don Richard Riso is wrong.


    To be, or not to be, that is the question:
    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
    And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep,
    No more; and by a sleep to say we end
    The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
    That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation
    Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
    To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause—there's the respect
    That makes calamity of so long life.
    For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
    Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
    The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay,
    The insolence of office, and the spurns
    That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
    When he himself might his quietus make
    With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?
    Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
    And thus the native hue of resolution
    Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
    And enterprises of great pitch and moment
    With this regard their currents turn awry
    And lose the name of action.

    BY WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE
    (from Hamlet, spoken by Hamlet)

    I intended to highlight which of it is 6, but I ended up putting every line in bold. It is all 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniac View Post
    ok
    I strongly disagree that this is "ok." Fear of success and all that jazz is straight up 6 and you think this makes for the most accurate descriptions for 4? I know that you have seen better than this. Riso came up with some clever stuff, especially the health levels in cooperation with Hudson, but their authority on type 4 is abysmal.

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