INTj (N) both times. First run, ISTp (S) was secondary choice, and second run INTp (N) was second choice.
I like the method of underlining the symbol representing the subtype.
INTp
I come out as either INTj (intuitive subtype) or INTp (intuitive subtype) depending on how I answer question C in stage 1. Of all the question that one is probably the most difficult for me to answer.
@Phaedrus: The questions don't remain in the same order (try hitting refresh a few times to see), so could you clarify which set?
The hardest question in the first set for me is:
I am more attentive to sensations and what I experience physically.
I am more attentive to a pattern of events that occur over a span of time. I have a sense of when things might happen.
INTp
You don't really need any test, Phaddy.Originally Posted by Phaedrus
Anywa
Your proposed type is:
ESTp, no subtype
The description of the logical sounds just too boring for me to be able to choose it.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
isfj s subtype
i mean what the fuck
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=46
INFp, F subtype
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
ISTj logical subtype...
it actually worked for me, even the subtype... impressive
INFp-Ni
Well, after playing around with it for a while, some comments. First, let's stabilize question group one:
Well, here the only place I have difficulty with is E/F - Si vs Ni. The other preferences ( Te > Fe, Ne > Se, Ti > Fi ) are all fairly strong.A: I am more attentive to managing resources efficiently and rationally.
B: I am more attentive to people’s moods/emotions and emotional arousability.
C: I am more attentive to the strength/power of people and things.
D: I am more attentive to the potential/capability of people and things, which can be developed. I am attentive to inherent possibilities.
E: I am more attentive to sensations and what I experience physically.
F: I am more attentive to a pattern of events that occur over a span of time. I have a sense of when things might happen.
G: I am more attentive to logical relationships between things. I create a system of rules, a system of ranking and organizing things. I make comparisons between things.
H: I am more attentive to making, maintaining and strengthening relationships with people.
So, with that in mind, let's go in order, E first. Second question set:
I > J and K > L (ie, ISTp(S) > ISTp(T) and INTj(N) > INTj(T)), though the second preference is stronger. This results in INTj(N).I: You are attracted to the beauty of nature. You seek pleasant sensations. You are inclined to have contact with people. You are optimistic. You love luxury and pleasures of the senses. You love refined sensuous enjoyment (especially good food and drink).
J: You are realistic. You never get involved in useless matters. You are absolutely pragmatic. You are very dynamic and technological. You can take the maximum benefit from something that may seem to have no use. Your production is always efficient and will survive any competition in the market.
K: Analyst, good scientist, conceptualist, you give primary attention to global issues. You are a generator of ideas. Achievements that are full of promise are important to you.
L: You are concrete and ordered. You are an organiser in a science. You do not trust very abstract ideas. You are like a scholar in a specialised subject. You are a strict adherent of reasonable systems.
Next, second set of questions when I choose F:
I/INTp(N) and K/INTj(N) again. However, I am then presented the choice I vs K, probably the most difficult for me in the entirety of the test. Reflecting on some aspects of my behavior, I very very often use analogies, the element of the two descriptions most like me, but so is generating ideas.I: You are self-disciplined. You are good at providing stimulation for a situation, including in commercial matters. You possess profound scholarly knowledge and memory. You often go very deep into details. You could be a good scientist-theorist, who makes fundamental developments. You have a good sense of how social-economic matters will develop. You use analogies. You can often predict how something will turn out.
J: You are practical and efficient. You avoid any useless activity. You try to get benefit, without wastage. You love the company of people and friends. You have a good sense of humour. You know how to get along with people. You are elegant and sociable.
K: Analyst, good scientist, conceptualist, you give primary attention to global issues. You are a generator of ideas. Achievements that are full of promise are important to you.
L: You are concrete and ordered. You are an organiser in a science. You do not trust very abstract ideas. You are like a scholar in a specialised subject. You are a strict adherent of reasonable systems.
Some questions and critiques of this I K combo:
*Wouldn't self-discipline be more a trait of the T subtype than the N? And if it's meant as a comparison to INTj, wouldn't the Te base of the INTj lead it to have a higher degree of self-discipline?
*What type of stimulation are you speaking of? Since this is NTp, with F PoLR/Suggestive, I would guess you mean intellectual/creative of some sort, as opposed to emotional, but this phrasing seems rather E for an I type. Not so much a problem as something to keep in mind if you decide to revise portions of the test.
*"You can often predict how something will turn out" - which type(s) of events? How a game will turn out? the promise of a certain stock (goes with the business/economic abilities previously mentioned)? Who will end up with who, and what will become of them? All of the above? - All of the above might be the answer, but due to the T > F preference, it would seem that there may be a significantly lower success rate socially/emotionally. Again, more something to keep in mind for later revisions.
*Achievements that are full of promise is not how I would personally view it - I'm more concerned with concepts, ideas, and systems full of promise. Is this what you meant, or is it supposed to be concrete rather than abstract?
*"Good scientist" in which way? A basic division here may be experimental (then we have a division between what I'll call "astronomical" [lots of work keeping track of data and such] and "physical" [more, ah, 'experiential']) and theoretical (where data collection from others is searched for patterns, etc.. Here again, we may also separate between those who search for such in a more systematic and orderly way, and those who do it, one might say, more intuitively).
*How does - if it does - the trait of the INTj(N) to "give primary attention to global issues" differ (not literally) from the INTp(N)'s capability to "make fundamental developments"? The emphasis here is on the difference between "global issues" and fundamentals. As the INTj(N) is described with an apparent predilection towards development and analysis, it would seem that, unless there is some, ah, fundamental difference between the two terms previously brought up, the INTj(N) would act in such a manner toward the global issues as to be nearly the same as making fundamental developments.
Overall, I lean somewhat more towards INTp(N) than INTj(N).
Now, you may have noticed something interesting: I always chose the p subtype over the j subtype - ISTp(S), INTj(N), INTp(N), and always I over E. Further, there is evident a bias towards NT in the easier choice of INTj(N) over ISTp(S) compared to INTj(N) vs. INTp(N). Would such a consistent p subtype choice indicate that the true attitude is p > j, and with the other elements, INTp(N) over INTj(N)?
Oh yes, and overall I really liked the way this test was designed - Nice job.
INTp
I got
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=20
ENTj, no subtype
or
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=19
ENTj, logical subtype
depending on some slight differences in choices.
However, I played around with it a bit and I think that it's a mistake to have the temperament options together at the same stage. It made much more sense when it was meant to differentiate mirrors.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=38
Altered the last choice and gotISTp, no subtype
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=32
INTj, no subtype
ex-nameless ixtp
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It still does differentiate mirrors. It doesn't matter whether the question is at stage 1, 2 or 3.Originally Posted by Expat
But why do you put them together? For instance, I can easily choose between "proactive" and "relaxed", but between "mobile" and "calm" it's more ambiguous for me.Originally Posted by Hugo
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
my take on this
proactive+calm = NJ
relaxed+mobile=SP
relaxed+calm=NP
proactive+mobile=SJ(nah. better find a more suitable combo)
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Your proposed type is: INTp, N subtype I love this test already First subtype test I've seen.
ESTj, T subtype.
Apologies for questioning my type again, but do you think it's possible I'm ESTj instead of ISTj?
Any comments would be appreciated
Kindly,
Five/Tanzhe
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=38
ISTp, no subtype
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Your proposed type is:
ENTj, no subtype
I actually think I'm Ni-subtype. The test wasn't annoying. I've done enough type tests to stop finding them interesting, but I didn't mind finishing this test. (which is a good sign).
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
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Your proposed type is;
INTj, N subtype
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=30
All Hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster
This is your most interesting test so far. It corresponds well to my "radical subtype" theory....that is, the idea that behaviors characterizing "rational" or "irrational" type behavior are really more related to the subtype than to the type....i.e., I(N)Tj is a "P" type and IN(T)p is a "J" type.
Like Phaedrus, I also came out with a contest between coming out I(N)Tj or I(N)Tp.
As I think dreiken pointed out, the emphasis on self discipline in the description of the I(N)Tp subtype seems a little odd; I'm sure that comes from Gulenko. But I think that all people might be self-disciplined or not; I don't see why would foster self-discipline to the extent of making that a defining trait.
Your proposed type is:
ENFp, F subtype
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
My wife tested herself and me:Originally Posted by XoX
For herself: ESTj, S subtype
For me: Couldn't decide between options in last question so either INTp, N subtype or INTj, no subtype
=)
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
ouchOriginally Posted by Baby
The sad part is, I actually read each choice and thought about how they apply to me. Back to the drawing board...
... or actually, I liked Schroedinger's Cat's idea about being NiFi... although, two introverted ego functions... that would imply I am insane.
"How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
-- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=38
ISTp, no subtype.
i'm fine with this answer and could see myself as a delta ST but i'm afraid i don't have a sexy ST swagger.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
S
What's the dif between F and S subs?
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=46
hmm lol
Edit:
I have just done it 3 times and got INFp F subtype twice and INFp no subtype once. lol??
Even though i do relate to a lot of INFp stuff im almost certian in ENFp as the intertype relations are a perfect fit in this case.
ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
You possess “good taste” in terms of what is beautiful. You are a good judge regarding welfare. Comfort is very important to you. You love pleasures of the senses. Love to provide pleasure for yourself and other people. (S)Originally Posted by Austy
Emotional and sociable. Easily enter into any company of people. (F)
I got what tests have told me already for a longer time for now. INTj. I am becoming back to what I am. I used to not to like myself and wanted to be someone else. Some cool extroverted guy, who just happens to be diferent and undervalued by others and this has made me into introverted subtype. So I wanted to create an heroic legend for myself, to rise my self-esteem.But that was not so. I just became into producing subtype out from accepting subtype. It changed my life and I was really irrational. I even read different lists of properties in MBTI about what makes types into Percievers, because it made my socionics Ne stronger. It worked well and diferent tests told me I was ENTp. But I became way too irrational and started acting overly impulssive. So to get my life back to normal, I had to start accepting who I was and what strengths lie in it.
And in the present I enjoy being introverted. I feel myself normal again. After finally understanding who I was, my world became clear and ordered.
So the moral of my speach. Young people don't have a lot of times clear self- image about themselfs. So they want to be someone other. So they try diferent roles of people, untill they understand what is right for them.
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/v5.1/...ts.htm?type=33
INFj, N subtype
INFj
Your proposed type is:
INFj, no subtype
How come I don't have subtype?
INFP
Subtype is basically a preference for the base function or creative function. Not everyone has a subtype preference, but that can change with time.
estj, T subtype.
Originally Posted by implied
(I think I do have that ST swagger. My swagger has been developing... I wonder if I'm becoming ESTj, because INFjs are becoming really irresistable
Nevertheless..........
I didn't expect that, but I kind of agree with it. (would have expected N sub)INTj, no subtype
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.