Lee Van Cleef: 9w8 sx/sp
Lee Van Cleef: 9w8 sx/sp
Fine Distinctions – Nines – Tom Condon
Subtypes
Self Preservation Nines
• Often preoccupied with physical comfort, maintaining routines and satisfying appetites.
• Exceptionally good receivers and appreciators; the best things in life are free
• Grateful for what they have and treasure it
• Can be reliable, dependable and consistent
• Specialize in a defense of small horizons
• Self Preservation Nines are especially prone to diminish their own expectations, to not quite hope for much out of life-a defense against disappointment
• Could be financially well-off but have a self-image of someone poor or destitute
• Distract themselves with pleasant domestic activities. Live conservatively
• Consume food and drink for anaesthesia. Tend towards addiction, especially to numbing substances, smoking pot, overeating to the point of stupor
• Can have a love of the minimal and enjoy the repetition of known routines
• Sleepy; may be slow moving, lack energy and be physically lazy
• The cliche of the couch potato goes with the low side of this subtype
• Can be extremely neglectful and messy
• A spaced out, unfocused mentality; lack of rigor
• No enthusiasm for anything; life is purgatorial, just killing time
Intimate Nines
• Loyal in love; patient and enduring; able to stay steady in long term relationships
• Realistically see their partners limits but accept them
• Good listeners; supportive non-judgmental friends
• Often focused on an unconscious ideal of romantic union
• Nines with this subtype are sometimes mistaken for Fours because of the way they can melancholically yearn for what they don’t have
• May have high expectations of romantic partners and be prone to jealousy
• Often this dynamic represents a yearning for a distant parent
• The ideal of romantic union blocks out the real relationship. It is a way of staying disengaged from your priorities, a distracting obsession
• Find their attractiveness and self-worth in how others see them
• May idealize people while deleting their flaws; could tolerate being mistreated or abused
• Can be fickle in love. After committing to a relationship they can grow critical of their partner and develop a wandering eye
• Indiscriminate; might have multiple serial relationships, searching from one person to the next, obsessing about whether their current partner is “the right one”
• Some Intimate Nines get involved with two partners and can’t decide between them, a pattern of triangulation
• Can be romantic on the one hand, callous on the other
• Sometimes feel driven by lust, especially when the have an Eight wing
Social Nines
• Nine with this subtype enjoy group process and will work hard to facilitate a group purpose or mission
• Don’t seek the limelight but could be a group’s leader
• Could feel like the group’s emissary; no better or worse than those they represent
• Especially able to mediate, to speak to all sides in a conflict and find common ground between warring parties
• Gravitate toward groups but feel conflicted about fully joining them
• Enjoy a group’s energy and interests but are aware of the group‘s expectations
• Can lose themselves, immersing themselves in a group, trying to become all things to all people
• May play the role expected of them but stubbornly resent it
• Could also use the group as a barrier to keep the Nine from facing her own priorities
• Can get caught up in hyperactivity – a stronger connection to Three goes with this subtype. Often more extraverted and image conscious
• Rarely physically lazy. They can be very busy and active but asleep to their deeper priorities and needs
• Generally more cheerful and extroverted and may be mistyped as Sevens
• Can act spoiled and broadcast an implicit attitude of privilege, although this is otherwise inconsistent with Nine temperament
• An odd combination of self-importance and egolessness. Internally they struggle with feeling unseen, but outwardly they seek attention
• Beneath the adulation they received as children, they felt ignored for who they actually were
Connecting Points
Nine with an Eight Wing
• Healthy Nines with an Eight wing have a modest, steady, receptive quality
• Charged by the dynamism of Eight; can have great energy and force of will
• Get things done, make good leaders and have a personal magnetism of which they are only partly aware
• This wing brings a stronger internal sense of direction; when they decide on a path of action they may be impossible to influence
• Relatively fearless and highly intuitive; take their work seriously but not themselves
• Good friend to others, offers a protective quality. Sympathize with underdogs
• Not very visual but the connection to Three can modify this somewhat
• May seem laconic and laid-back on the surface but that belies a deeper intensity
• Can be surprisingly tactless, rude or gauche and be oblivious to the fact • Some Nines with an Eight wing aren’t conscious of being afraid-their connection to Six. Pave over their fears with aggression and numb callousness
• Might surround themselves with fearful people, say, a nervous dependent Six whom the Nine then rescues. Can have savior complexes • May displace their anger; pick a fight about something peripheral-not what’s really bothering them; Sometimes behind the anger is a tearful vulnerability
• Could be amiable, kindly and supportive one minute and then blunt, opinionated or nasty the next. A Jekyll/Hyde quality
• Prone to blame and to mishandling their anger; while not exactly vengeful they can be vindictive. An anti-authoritarian streak is also possible
Nine with a One Wing
• Nines with a One wing tend to have been “model children.” They instinctively worked to please their parents by being virtuous, orderly, and low maintenance
• Idealistic; a quiet moral authority plus good-hearted peacemaking tendencies
• Often have a sense of mission, public or private; work hard for the welfare of whomever they are committed to. Good with detail
• Unpretentious yet dignified; generally empathetic, have the “common touch;” An elegant simplicity of manner and speech
• Can be well-liked, modest, endearing; gentle yet firm. Some have a striking quality of grace and composure punctuated by bursts of spontaneity and sweetness
• Sincere, practice what they preach; effective, good natured and idealistic.
• Rule-bound, obedient/compliant; perfectionistic and self-critical
• Can be compulsively orderly, overly controlled, unemotional and disassociated
• Can act on weird principles that don’t make sense; A dubious, fractured morality
• May be visibly successful but don’t really feel connected to their achievements
• Passive tolerance of absurd or damaging situations; so normal they’re strange
• Exceptionally conservative in their habits of living and around making changes
• May go passively self-neglectful. Dutiful to what they shouldn’t be
• Minimize, tell themselves they had a great childhood, everything’s fine
• Placid numbness can creep over them. exceptionally out of touch with feelings. Intolerant of their own emotions; gradually deaden their souls
Nine’s Connection to Six
• This connection brings Nines courage. Where healthy Sixes develop the courage to do, Nines find the courage to be.
• The connection can usefully shake up a Nine’s complacency. It helps Nines challenge their fears and take risks, expose the inner self that they usually disguise and efface
• The connection to Six brings tenacity and stamina – a willingness to see things through, to work faithfully away at tasks and commitments with a committed perseverance.
• Brings an idealism, sense of responsibility that stirs the Nine to action.
• Realistic, more able to acknowledge what can go wrong. If Nines tend to minimize and Sixes exaggerate. unable to ignore being upset, useful self- doubt
• Sixish Nines can have a nervous, scatterbrained quality. They can overanticipate events, start to doubt themselves and think in anxious, obsessive loops
• Distract themselves from seeing the obvious or taking useful action.
• Can seem agitated and frightened in a beside-the-point way
• The Nine’s laziness about personal priorities is reinforced by the Six tendency to procrastinate. Sixes postpone taking any action, while Nines put off taking right action
• Sixish Nines can go in nervous busy circles. thinking about a problem or a decision extra hard while getting more and more confused and obsessive
• Can be risk-aversive, afraid of making mistakes that might provoke conflict.
• Obedient to authority and a sense of tradition
• Might hand over responsibility for decisions to others and then blame the others if the decisions don’t turn out well
• Can be cowardly and may run away from conflict or be undependable under stress or duress
• Anti-authoritarian attitudes especially with an Eight wing
• An episodic experience of fear-a Nine could have anxiety attacks followed by months when the Nine is not conscious of feeling fear at all
Nine’s Connection to Three
• Brings Nines a kind of clarity of the heart
• They can suddenly see and prioritize on their own behalf. They take decisive deliberate steps towards personal goals. brings energy, industry, action and purpose
• This connection supports a steady persistence. Focused Nines are unstoppable
• A stepwise strategy for taking action and completing tasks in the real world
• This connection also helps Nines with appropriate social presentation. They are more willing to dress up and voluntarily play roles in the service of goals. They can also have a sense of propriety, be well-groomed and have good manners
• Healthy Threeish Nines can find freedom in role playing and the connection to Three can bring acting abilities as well as a talent for mimicry
• Distinct tendencies towards role-playing and hyperactivity as a distraction from their basic sense of non-being. A busy form of self- neglect, an active laziness
• Threeish Nines can go false and be defined by a milieu, playing roles based on the expectations of others
• May be vain, enjoy being mistaken for an image or indulge in episodic show-off behavior
• Nines can be fascinated by or obsessed with Three-like falseness in others; may want to root out fraudulence in others and tear it down
• In Threeish cultures (America) or subcultures (corporations) Nines can feel extra pressure to succeed and achieve-which they may then accommodate or sabotage
• They may be ambitious although often they are acting out someone else’s ambition. Can be chosen to fulfill the family’s unfulfilled wished and dreams.
• This connection supports a prince or princess-like quality and Threeish Nines can act entitled.
• Can fluctuate between high and low self-esteem; underneath their image, a Nine may feel indefinite, insignificant and depressingly unworthy.
Excerpted from The Dynamic Enneagram by Tom CondonCopyright 2009, 2013 by Thomas CondonAvailable as an ebook serial at Tom’s website http://www.thechangeworks.com
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
red hair girl is so/sx 9w1
It's good way to return their favour after they were offenced and stoped normal communication.Originally Posted by Olimpia
When E-9 has base Fi - has high compassion to pain of others. If you say them "sorry" - they forgive you much easier. Especially should be effective with ESI - that reminds them duals' submissive behavior and makes their heart warmer.
When they are not Fi ego - when you excuse - you show youself as "below", that have no aggression - this helps to return the communication as E-9 stoped this because you have scared them.
When E-9 points with anger where you was "wrong" with him. This means E-9 is in really bad mood and near to break the communication. It does not matter were you really guilty or not, - just say him "sorry" to reduce the risk of breakage the communication. If you'll argue your view - he may just break the talking - he was in uncomfortable emotional state before and the discussion or the understanding he was wrong may to make him feel just worse. Some later, after the excuse now that you made him upset, you may softly explain own view. To argue or explain when E-9 is in bad mood is also unproductive - he can't listen you good at now.
If it's possibly - do only light, neutral or cheerful, good mood offline communications with E-9. Do arguing, criticism or serious talking IRL, or do it very softly, carefully, less directly, slowly. As you can't control good what emotional state they have, but this is critical. Before any criticism it's useful to excuse beforehand, so E-9 was prepared and was more indulgent to you. As they are the most easy to feel offenced and are the hardest to return the normal communication.
If E-9 feels sympathy to you, - check how he softly talks with you. It's the style which he prefers to be talked with him by other people. Copy this style as max as possibly. This will support his trust to you, staying open and sincere with you.
E-9 are very kind and loving people, but they are extremely touchy. The pain they feel from others makes them ruder with others. If you see E-9 became ruder, notice what you did wrong and do not repeat that. Though, sometimes E-9 look talking or acting with lesser tact being in good mood and feeling sympathy to you. It's not from lesser respect to you - but from higher trusting to you, they just behave lesser restrained like kids, they are open to you in those moments. If you see them in cheerful mood, behaving with more impudence and meanwhile asking something from you - treat them like kids, - give them what they want or apologize and decline very softly, as if you'll directly reject their request - they'll feel deeply offenced - like they were opened to you and you've betrayed their highest trust to you. E-9 behaving lesser restrained with you while showing sympathy - is the sign of their friendship, they perceive you as good friend and are ready to support you in almost anything. E-9 are potentially the most loving people and best friends you may find, as they establish the least interpersonal borders with their loving ones - they may understand and accept you deeper than anyone else.
Though do not expect this obligatory will lead to the same level of support in actions - they'll more care about your psyche state, will support on emotional level, will give advices and useful info, will try to understand, accept and share all your life views and emotions - this may lead or not to further actions. Psyche of E-9 is too easy to be overloaded by negative, they know this, so where it's possibly - prefer to keep away from any negative what may be linked with actions, meanwhile having highest compassion to you and in critical moments will help you definetely.
Another thoughts about offences of E-9: [1], [2], [3].
Last edited by Sol; 05-05-2018 at 07:53 PM.
I think all you have to do is eliminate the roots of fears and you automatically stay out of a 6 shift, which is conducive for productivity. 9s have unusually high tendencies towards fear based decisions and it makes self assertion and action considerably harder... It does work in some instances, as it makes your actions all very low risk, but it's otherwise inhibiting, at least in this "earth meta". 9s are one of the weaker enneagram types in terms of power right now, but this can be assuaged by becoming secure and sitting in the 3 range. It really all begins with eliminating sources of fear, however. This is critical
The main tendency of E-9 is love to people. They see this as the way to peace with them, and then to inner peace.
This makes the problem as they see it. As with lower self-borders they are easier to be hurted or to follow people against own interests. Also conflicts between people near create psyche tension inside of them as they try to intoject them all. Such they highly affraid any negative from people or a communication with "wrong" people.
The lesser developed E-9 is - the more he seeks for emotional comfort in a moment relations, moment opinions. Instead of deeper and sincere relations, where he'd need to accept the other one more and also to show and explain about himself more to be understood, to help the other to accept him deeper - such to achieve better balance of interests between people and such stop feeling the emotional discomfort. It's harder process, while to feel offenced of any negative and avoid communications is easier.
To reduce the fear they need more mature love, where they accept the others deeper to the degree where can't feel offenced on them and are sincerely opened to others to help them similarly deep to accept them. It's true love - full and unconditional acceptance and trust between people. While undeveloped E-9 try to stay somewhere in the middle of it.
I'm sure that duality would help a lot to E-9 develop. For example, F types with rising T and such becoming more reasonable, would lesser processed conflicts by emotions, better understood their reasons, easier would see the solution and felt lesser hurted and offenced, in general.
Last edited by Sol; 04-06-2018 at 11:56 AM.
3 in the tritype
Let the supplement slide down
Everything is fine!
And my brain is cloudy, leveled out
The pill, dissolved, it's flushing out
Everything I care about
Phobic So/Sp 6w7 3w2 9w1
Bit of a comic books nerd, bit of a fashion nerd, a lot of a generalized nerd
Last edited by Sol; 04-19-2018 at 08:43 AM.
One of the best lessons you can learn in life is to master how to remain calm.
// Catherine Pulsifer
9w8 sx/so
EIE 3 trying to pull off a 9 concept, SP/SO visuals:
Caught the 3 at this part:
The feature of E-9 to supress external emotionality in bad environments with the lack of emotionally satisfying relations may lead to calculating and emotionally surface attitudes in relations and some roughness.
Last edited by Sol; 06-05-2019 at 08:41 PM.
"Pallas: not even Ne dom 9w1s live inside a vagina"
[Today 07:57 AM] Raver: Life is a ride that lasts very long, but still a ride. It is a dream that we have yet to awaken from.
It's hard to find a love through every shade of grey.
9w1 so/sx
“Stop acting so small. You are the universe in ecstatic motion.”
― Rumi
“Dance, when you're broken open. Dance, if you've torn the bandage off. Dance in the middle of the fighting. Dance in your blood. Dance when you're perfectly free.”
― Rumi
“Knock, And He'll open the door
Vanish, And He'll make you shine like the sun
Fall, And He'll raise you to the heavens
Become nothing, And He'll turn you into everything.”
― Rumi
“Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.”
― Rumi
“And you? When will you begin that long journey into yourself?”
― Rumi
“Don't be satisfied with stories, how things have gone with others. Unfold your own myth.”
― Rumi
“Reason is powerless in the expression of Love.”
― Rumi
“The minute I heard my first love story, I started looking for you, not knowing how blind that was. Lovers don't finally meet somewhere. They're in each other all along.”
― Rumi
“You have to keep breaking your heart until it opens.”
― Rumi
“Wherever you are, and whatever you do, be in love.”
― Rumi
the most of the text contains the phrase:
"Do not come to me. I'm offenced!"
*sigh*
9 so/sp
sp/so? sp first for sure, 9
good job sol
w1
Last edited by Sol; 05-10-2018 at 04:50 PM.
w8
sp/so 9w1
Texan in Tokyo is a 5w6
clearly out of body unlike 9s (and not calm enough)
look up Grimes, she's the same, 5w6, they're similar to eachother.
Last edited by maniac; 05-14-2018 at 06:10 PM.
Last edited by Sol; 06-02-2018 at 07:18 PM.
nvm ross is a 6with a 9 fix
I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
-Rumi
the handy device to deal with touchy E-9s
the girl
Last edited by Sol; 06-20-2018 at 08:39 PM.
9w1 sx/so (irrational type) - Maja D'Aoust
9w8 sx/sp - Brandon Straka
9w8 so/sx (IEI-Fe?) - Mindful Attraction 2.0
9w8 sp/so (ESI-Se?) - Project Nightfall
Last edited by silke; 07-03-2018 at 04:03 AM.
Lil Wayne is an obvious 7w6.
Most of the famous 9w8s that I know are ISxPs. Does anyone know any INFP ones?
Gee, someone else that has sense. Any famous person who is soft spoken seems to be typed a 9w8 lately.
- I want to feel sorrow
- Go to do your proceedings
9, without subtypes
among bloggers: Julia ASMR
among famouses: Audrey Hepburn, Helena Vondrackova
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