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    Quote Originally Posted by MensSuperMateriam View Post
    Imo you're a bit dark and pessimistic in a classical ILI fashion. ILEs can be, of course, but I think it seems a natural part of yourself instead something caused by external conditioning. But I'm not sure.
    Well, I keep probably ping-ponging back and forth 'til the end of time, mostly because people are dynamic and don't fit as cleanly as we would like them to into categories. I'm somewhat disillusioned with typology ATM, but I use the terminology, because, well, it's the language of the arena, the operant myth. The same reason I say the Nicene Creed when I go to church, I suppose..,



    Quote Originally Posted by MensSuperMateriam View Post
    Bolded-> I hope so, or you will be really crazy... . Ok to the rest..
    I mean, would it? Most of the world's population is religious. Attempting to construct meaning as to what's going on with this mess isn't aberrant, it seems pretty typical. Hell, we're on forum dedicated to talking about mystical archetypes coined by a guy who believed in a unified reservoir spirit brain, in a thread talking about what could basically be reskinned Christianity (I mean you've got the whole "fallen nature" of the human physical form and the aspirations towards a transcendence of flying around in the Cloud(s) down...) Glass houses, man.



    Quote Originally Posted by MensSuperMateriam View Post
    I think maybe you're still not understanding my position. The NT club is not perfect (as any grouping); it cannot (and should not) be considered as determinat when gauging the potential position that its members will manifest. But it's definitely not "weak", nor using it is just an idea that I've just pulled out of my ass (the same idiom you've used several times).

    Clubs are indeed part of Socionics theory, and they're as relevant as alternative classifications like quadras. Just their implications are different. The latter ones classifies types according to valued/devalued function which is connected with intertype relations. Clubs group types according to strong/weak functions, because strength plays a big role in the goals, purposes, pofessional areas, etc, that types are naturally inclined.

    NFs as humanitarians, for example, is not just a superficial label, it has an argumentation supporting it. Of course it does not imply that necessarily all NFs will choose this path in their lives. An NT can focus in people & ethical questions; an NF can be a scientist, etc. But as usual, statistically speaking, it is relevant and works in this way. The same way not all LIIs will have typical LII "ideology", goals, or will agree with each other. But there's always a trend, a pattern.

    Sharing the internal process does not determine the result, but it makes it easier to end in a particular point (or set of points) than in others. Counterexamples does not disprove statistical trends, unless their population size is as large as the opposite.

    I insist that this is also part of the theory. Technically I'm not making a point, as I'm simply using what it's already available.
    Yeah, I agree with you that an NF is more likely to be a poet than an NT. Ironically, in fact, my natural inclination to gravitate towards the NT "club" is one of the only things that put my finger on about my own type, if type exists. The whole thing just seemed like a covert determinism screed or something, idk. perhaps I flew off the handle and was being a tad reactionary.
    Last edited by Whoobie77; 09-14-2014 at 08:38 PM.

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