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    Yes, I get this alot, but I get "why are you sad?" even more often


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    My response when people tell me to calm down is to angrily tell them I AM CALM. My relaxed state is a state of mentally wandering. Please don't interupt that. Contributions would be welcome, but then again, if you are the kind of person to tell me to calm down, then you'd probably mess up my thoughts with your "contributions". Some of this probably has to do with that narcissism that makes the core of my unconcious personality. Well, I can't say it isn't concious because I know about it, but still. :S

    And when people ask me why I'm sad, I answer in a way to express that they are bothering me as well. Or I avoid the question.

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    I can get emotionally expressive when there is little emotion in me and entirely by accident. Though it rarely happens, as I need to really care about what I'm saying, to forget myself like that and appear angry, passionate and crude.

    So I can be aggressive and confrontational in a debate for example with my LII brother, and have him accuse me of being angry, when I'm just trying to emphasize my words in order to impact him, if I'm talking louder with passion and conviction, or if I'm exaggerating would-be frustration/anger for everyone's amusement.

    And then I get asked: "Why are you angry?"
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    I do get this a lot from people.

    It seems like all of my emotional expression is usually a little out of place or over or underexpressed though, not just anger.
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    Quite often. Once, while having one of the best days I can remember, a new friend asks, "Why do you look like you want to murder the world right now?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBTL View Post
    You either get that Fe is going to create and therefore manipulate emotional states or you don't. It isn't that complicated honestly. (In order to find out an object's potential, you have to manipulate it somehow. You don't already know its potential if you need to manipulate it, because if you did, you wouldn't need to manipulate it in the first place. You would just chose the best object for whatever purpose you needed it for upfront.)

    I mean, Adolf ****** was an EIE who manipulated the crap out of a lot of people with compelling and captivating speeches until he ultimately failed and committed suicide. (But that's Fe in DA cognition.)
    To say the word manipulation implies a manipulator and this holds a negative connotation. I would choose to forgo this word altogether and simply call it energy transfer. That leaves room for possible kindness and nobility of spirit, which I believe is at the core of most normal people. Have you ever tried "creating and manipulating emotional states"? This concept sounds silly, forced and artificial.

    I see it more as they get out of the way of emotional states and allow them to play out naturally. The situation is everything. Yet the context behind the feeling is not. Emotion, feelings, are manifestations of energy and I see betas working with energy. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed and is only transformed from one state to another. Therefore, Fe types work with energies that was either latent in the situation itself, for instance an exchange of sociability among other fellow prime mates, or is transmuted from the individual him or herself into the environment without necessarily having any intended purpose. This exchange of energy creates mental/emotional states within others as the message is transferred usually via body language and linguistically vocalized sounds and sentences. More subtle transfer of energy occurs through the special spooky aspects of perceptual cognition. Others receive these messages and a cascade of chemical and neurological cause effect processes respond to this stimuli. It is, at its core, a transfer of energy.

    The closest analogy for authentic energy transfer comes through actors and method acting. They are able to feel emotional states through memory recall and association. Because of the reflective nature of human mind, others share in a borrowed experience the mind tricks the body into believing it is having. This transference is conscious Fe. Although the first cause was an authentic feeling to begin with. The best method actors believe in what they feel and so trick their bodies into believing it as well. Thereby building up potential energy that needs a place to flow. The actor allows the emotional state to flow within themselves and trust the body will express in such a way that matches their chosen memory state. Then they get out the way. Compounded years of this informational elemental habit in ego and this person will have honed her craft.

    There are four ethics of emotions individuals and four others orientated towards it, some of which are arguably equally as good at transferring energy, so let's not lump them all into this popular portrait of one machiavellian called Hamlet. Eh?
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    One last word on this concept of manipulation so just bear with me.

    Any sociotype might have the proclivity to manipulate for any myriad of reason. Maybe they learned to do this in childhood. Maybe they saw how to get their needs met by manipulating others. Good or bad, right or wrong, socionics has nothing to say about manipulation itself as it is outside the realm of Modal A and most other literature, including the anecdotal ones.

    A SLI is just as likely to manipulate as an ESI (okay maybe not an ESI, hahaha). The same could be said for an LII, or an SLE. Its not the total domain of EIE.

    What socionics can say about manipulation is what tool is used to do it. In this way, an SEI may manipulate through his Si by suggesting a course of action that would benefit his sense of comfort, perhaps by feigning illness to get out of work; as an LSE may manipulate through her Te by calling on her knowledge of product regulation to benefit her business by circumventing the law. An EII may easily and effortlessly manipulate by using her knowledge of a coworkers personal life in order to guilt them into doing more work. An SLI might manipulate his IEE lover into leaving him alone when he needs to recharge his Si. These are IE tools, paint brushes in different shapes and sizes and the expression is endless for meeting the needs of the individual who uses them.

    Manipulation as I understand it is not type specific. Although any and all types may choose to manipulate the way in which might be type influenced.
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    Yes. People most often question my sanity when I'm in an excited state. I get a lot of "Why do you look sad?", too, when I'm underexcited...

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    Come to think of it, I was asked if I was mad like three times today.


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    Yes, I hear "why do you look so mean", "why do you look stuck up", "why don't you smile", "are you okay". I could strangle people. Consequently, I've developed glabellar lines lol
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