lol.....Originally Posted by Amber
lol.....
The idea of needing approval from others to be proud of oneself. I used to think that being dependent on others evaluations rather than possessing intrinsic self-worth and existing to please others rather than oneself were pathetic traits.
I need approval from others to some extent to feel good about myself.
I think everyone does to some degree, except maybe some sociopaths.
People have a basic intrinsic need to feel accepted.
It's pathetic when you worry about it so much it interferes with your living a happy and fulfilling life.
I tend to worry too much about what others think and other peoples' approval. Not quite to the level of patheticness, but more than I should.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
You sound like an EII more than a LII. Particularly due to the way you said this, more than what you said itself.
I agree with your general idea that everyone is affected in a way or other by other's opinions about oneself. Most people will integrate (at least partly) these external judgements (here psychopaths are excluded). But you talk about this phenomenon as something almost intrisically positive (except if too much), and this sounds closer to an ethical person than a logic one.
From the POV of a Ti dom (this would be the case if you are a LII) ethics of relationships (Fi) is the role function, therefore acklowdeged and considered important, but still unvalued. The need of pleasing other people's moral judgements would be seen as an annoyance, something that disturbs the "final quality of Ti reasonings and their implications", so to speak. I purposedly used the word need, pointing out that this behavior is intrinsic to the user and acknowledged in this way, that is, not something which is seen as exclusively forced from the outside.
For a Fi dom this behavior is seen as important and intrinsically positive, and that's the reason they could behave as moral perfectionists more than other types (statistically). For a Ti dom, this external influence in oneself is seen as important and a necessity for the proper workings of society, but would not be feel/perceived as intrinsically positive (for the user at least). More as an annoying encumbrance, actually, as it corresponds to a superego function and its domain. It's like renouncing to a part of yourself (the same for and others) "to achieve a greater good", but you're still renouncing to something. You would not do it if it were not strictly necessary...
I guess it could be the words that you have chosen, as a reaction and JOA's post (which fits very well in a Fi PoLR user, by the way), and you could very well be LII despite of this. But I point this out because you have "Se PoLR" in your TIM so I suspect you're uncertain about which xIIs fits better in you. Maybe this comment could be useful in this process.
P.S. According to DCNH, harmonizing subtypes integrate in groups (societies) more easily, so this could explain a sort of "EII-ish" style... still the commented difference should apply.
Last edited by MensSuperMateriam; 05-28-2015 at 09:08 AM.
Oh of course lets explain human behaviour and personality using some miniscule box of LII and EII.
How you expect to make progress with a mind that thinks like this I have no idea.
Exactly.
It never stops amazing me how some people use a model (which is itself quite problematic, obviously), and so arbitrarily choose to justify which behavior is TR and which is not (a model of personality is a model of personality, after all, regardless limited). Like 2+2=3 and 2+2=5 at will. They seem to have troubles understanding what an statistical influence would imply (that is, not that A only causes B and C only causes D, but all influences all in varying degrees). But more than anything, they seem bad understanding the particular context of a message and unless you talk to them pointing out every single aspect of every single potential situation, would take what you say as an absolute statement.
It also amazes me how some people are so quick in meddling in what other people say without actually adding anything constructive. Just pointing out that you disagree seems trivial and unecessary in my opinion, and I really do not care. I'm tired of pointless conversations, skip it.
"Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder and crush him."
I have no idea what you are on about and I don't see it as being worth figuring out - actually I think saying there is something to figure out is giving it credit where there is none.
I think that is more the view I hold about it today. Nevertheless, it is the 2 that places such as strong emphasis on this.
Yeah i was going to additionally say that the two arent mutually exclusive either. People can still have a lot of self worth but do better when their efforts receive some external validation. Appreciating people for good things they do is important, its respectful.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Yeah, I agree, but when that external validation becomes excessive, we grow dependent on it. This is why, of course, we see people posting half-naked selfies on facebook and committing seppuku if they receive under 3likes/minute. I think 2s have the overwhelming desire to "love and be loved," and cannot love without being loved.
I'm DEFINITELY not SEE.
6w7-2w3-1w2 so/sx
Met up with @niffer yesterday
She is definitely Ti creative. SLE works but I can also see ILE as a possibility~
I think pink is IEI O___________________O
Some recent additions and a few changes...I've opened up a correlation between 5w4 and IEI. ILI and LII are still the only two sociotypes I'll entertain for 5w6.
2w1 sx/so:
2w1 sx/sp:
2w1 sp/so: Jack Oliver Aaron, Timmy
2w1 sp/sx: Maritsa
2w1 so/sp: Eliza Thomason
2w1 so/sx: Emmym
2w3 sx/so: Mercer
2w3 sx/sp: N1cole
2w3 so/sp: Yaaroslav
2w3 so/sx: Limitless
2w3 sp/so:
2w3 sp/sx: Kim, Wacey
3w2 sx/so: Transkar (ILE)
3w2 sx/sp:
3w2 sp/so: William
3w2 sp/sx:
3w2 so/sp: Reuben
3w2 so/sx:
3w4 sx/so: Darya
3w4 sx/sp: Starfall
3w4 sp/so: Suedehead
3w4 sp/sx: UDP, Adam Strange
3w4 so/sp: Lucas, Xerx
3w4 so/sx: JMC
4w3 sx/so: BnD
4w3 sx/sp: Dolphin
4w3 sp/sx: Mactheknife
4w3 sp/so: Grain of Song
4w3 so/sp: LucyintheSky
4w3 so/sx: Silverchris, Summerprincess
4w5 sx/so: ian rust
4w5 sx/sp: aivonaima
4w5 sp/so: moonraker
4w5 sp/sx: newbornstar
4w5 so/sp: ammonius hermaie/quote unquote
4w5 so/sx: holon
5w4 sx/so: Scapegrace
5w4 so/sx: Kimuchu
5w4 so/sp: Marie
5w4 sp/sx: Strrrng (IEI)
5w4 sp/so:
5w4 sx/sp: Velvet (IEI)
5w6 sx/so: Korpsey
5w6 sx/sp:
5w6 sp/so: Eyeseecold, Cpig, Unary
5w6 sp/sx: Lab
5w6 so/sp: Ath/Zap
5w6 so/sx: Aestrivex
6w5 so/sx: Finale, RME83, pmj
6w5 sx/so: Airman
6w5 sx/sp: Pookie, The Whole English, May, MisterNi
6w5 sp/sx: Amber, Lungs, Ouronis, Aixelsyd, Radio
6w5 sp/so: Joy, Menssupermateriam, Soupman, Hacim
6w5 so/sp: InvisibleJim, PeteronFiree, LuchoisLurking, DJ Arendee (EIE)
6w7 sx/so: JetCityWoman
6w7 sx/sp: Absurd
6w7 so/sx: Scarlettlux
6w7 sp/sx: Geneiouws, Nondescript
6w7 so/sp: Lapa
6w7 sp/so: ChrisCorey, Nyx
7w6 sx/so: Jadae
7w6 sx/sp: discojoe
7w6 sp/so: Anglas
7w6 sp/sx: Hitta
7w6 so/sp: Cubazoan
7w6 so/sx: Mega
7w8 sx/so: Lagerdemon
7w8 sx/sp: Ashton
7w8 so/sx: Mcbain
7w8 sp/sx: Gummi
7w8 so/sp: Myst (ILE)
7w8 sp/so: Ineffable
8w7 sx/so: Deestructor (InvisibleHim)
8w7 sx/sp: FDG
8w7 so/sp: Kill4me
8w7 sp/so:
8w7 sp/sx: Mercutio
8w7 so/sx: Words
8w9 sx/so: Agee
8w9 so/sx: Narc
8w9 sx/sp: Ananke
8w9 sp/sx: Expat
8w9 so/sp: Smilingeyes
8w9 sp/so: Laurie’s Crusador
9w8 sx/sp: Allie
9w8 sp/sx: Spider
9w8 sx/so: Aquagraph
9w8 sp/so: Olly
9w8 so/sp: Elina
9w8 so/sx: Woof
9w1 sx/so: Aylen, c3vu
9w1 sx/sp: Pink
9w1 sp/so: Subteigh
9w1 sp/sx: Inumbra, Minde
9w1 so/sp: KrigtheViking
9w1 so/sx: Suz, Enoch
1w9 sx/so: Kore
1w9 sx/sp: Hkkmr
1w9 sp/so: Esaman
1w9 sp/sx: Parkster
1w9 so/sp: RedVillain, MikeMex
1w9 so/sx: JohannesBloem
1w2 sx/so: MissBabyDoll
1w2 sx/sp: Agarina
1w2 so/sp: Silke
1w2 sp/so: Director Abbie
1w2 so/sx: Trevor
1w2 sp/sx: Birdie
oooh @Kill4Me type me type me
I wanna be typed too. @Kill4Me
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Hey cool I'm on a list.
Close, but...
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I don't think that you are EII
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You're IEI
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
What do you thinkI am?
yep. P-type is more probable. INFP more, than INFJ
Her photo hints at INFJ. If she'll make a video-interview this may be checked.You're IEI
uhm... why?
She types herself as IEI, I think. Also it might be as simple as asking her how she conducts the emotions of others.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
WOW! I sound like a sp / sx? I can fully agree with 6w7 btw. I am either 684 or 682 who knows.
Also, how do I sound according to a sociotype?
INFJ is IEI, just saying. Now, INFj is not IEI. Details, details!
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Such impressions are from your face expressions. And previously your talk about Fi was not typical for Fi-base types.
P is for Prague.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
P is for phanny girl.P is for Prague.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
woot! someone made an account just to say this @Sol FFEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel honored. FEEL IT.Must be why you sound like you've got a pole up your ass 24/7?
Aylen....INFj 9w1 sx/so
Aylen comes in through Jodi Arias for 9w1:
Same exact eyes.
aylen comes in through Jodi Arias for stacking as well (irises):
Socionics: Cognition
Chriscorey had initially pointed out Aylen's mimicry:
Aylen herself has affirmed her observe and mimick cognition:Originally posted by ChrisCorey:
Tell me more Aquadork.. how did I get categorized with the mimicry that is Aylen?
the use of mimicry like that is a good way to distinguish between INFp and INFj....Originally posted by Aylen:
I have done this with a couple of ILI as well but their intuitive edge made it a little harder . Academically they could run circles around me but they taught me how to use critical thinking so that I would not come off as "stupid" when I talked to others so that gave me an edge further along in the relationships to turn their logic against them by observing and kinda mimicking their style.
Do you have permission to post @Aylen 's personal picture? If not please remove...
He is just convinced I am an EII 9w1 sx/so without ever having a conversation with me other than going back and forth in a flame war. It makes him feel good to think of me as a conflictor.
I was 12 in that pic, btw.
Edit: and you might want to expand you definition of mimicry Kill4 since you seem to have a limited capacity for understanding it's usefulness. Acting is also mimicry.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Yeah i noticed this type of subtext. Did you give permission or want me to take it down?
Edit: I took care of it.
Last edited by Aylen; 09-08-2015 at 02:16 PM.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Incidentally I foresaw this happening in a dream, a few months ago so I was ready for it.
This made me really suspicious of his motives for putting me up as "nicest" and I got that "Carrie at the prom" feeling right away.
This might be the closest I have come to having a prophetic dream of this forum. Posted in May 2015.
Not a perfect match but the essence of it...The real people with text next to them is the superlatives thread. hah
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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