Think it'll be interesting to compare between the four quadras.
Things members of the Alpha Quadra can't stand
Think it'll be interesting to compare between the four quadras.
INFP
I can't stand being told what to do, think or act.
I dislike boredom and being made fun of.
I dislike paying bills and people who take themselves to seriously.
I dislike people thinking I'm stupid because of my hair color and people thinking I'm innocent-I'm not
I dislike my loud neighbors and being forced to choose between being a follower or a leader
I dislike chit-chat with extended family and having to grow-up
Thanks, this is cathartic.
All Hail The Flying Spaghetti Monster
Agree. Put this on my list as well.I can't stand being told what to do, think or act.
I can't stand...
- being told than any idea is too far fetched. Many facts and ideas accepted as being "true" today were at one time thought to be too far fetched to even consider.
- people who are unable to back up arguments or convictions with sound reasoning. Do you simply believe what you are told? Why do you believe what you do? Do you believe what you believe because it is what society expects you to believe? You tell me that you believe something because it is "right." Well what does that mean? Why is it right?
- narrow-mindedness. It is the bias that breeds the stagnation of tradition, societal prejudices of the mind, and bigotry towards other peoples, cultures and views.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
I don't enjoy pety competition.
Don't ask me to play a game with you, at a family gathering or such. It is too devisive for me. And I cannot stand losing as it is, so it is just stressful for me. I go for kill -- and I don't feel like being that way in peaceful situations.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Hmm, I said my first post as "as an alpha quadra member, what don't I like?"
But I suppose I should be more general.
i don't like a lot of things.
Lack of principles, lack of awareness.
Lack of consideration, lack of thought.
People being relatively insane about things.
People who do not have hope in the future
Or, who choose to dwell in the past, and be depressed about things.
Most people don't bother me anymore, because I've learned of forgivness and acceptance. Honestly, I don't even feel like writing this list, because ... I don't know, it just seems false.
I do not like injustices or double standards. I really don't like to see women treated poorly. I do not 'like' suffering or struggling, so I suppose I enjoy helping others get out of such a state.
I do not like it when I get lazy and lose focus and slip into mediocrity, or just lazing around. Makes me feel like a child, when I realize it. Like right now.
So....
I'm out for now
But I'll be back.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
humm.
i agree with a lot of your stuff here, UDP. especially what you bolded.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Oh yeah -- one more thing:
I don't like MysticSonic's "avatar".
WTF up with that?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
-People who try to micromanage me
-People who bother me about petty things
-People who don't take the situation into consideration
-People who think me asking for an explanation is some kind of subversive tactic.
-Being lied to when it is not necessary
-Attempts to apply universal maxims that are often impractical(not killing is NOT always right.)
And I have my avatar exactly for people like UDP.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
Originally Posted by MysticSonic
-Being lied to when it is not necessary
...
And I have my avatar exactly for people like UDP.
Since you don't like subterfuge, I'll just say:
That I get why you have your avatar there, but I still don't like it anyways.
It kind of strikes me as pety, even, that you would go out of your way to do it to agitate "people like UDP"
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I should say that I _still_ have it to do as you said; there's also the difficulty of getting another animated avatar, which I won't do without.
Initially, I thought it would be a nice counterbalance to my actual disposition to such things.
"To become is just like falling asleep. You never know exactly when it happens, the transition, the magic, and you think, if you could only recall that exact moment of crossing the line then you would understand everything; you would see it all"
"Angels dancing on the head of a pin dissolve into nothingness at the bedside of a dying child."
Fair enough
I don't like
people who don't give a damn about self improvement.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
1. Unnecessary work
2. Short-sighted people
3. Superficialness
4. Having people tell me what to do
5. ANYONE telling me they think I "can't" do something
6. People trying to tell me what "they think" I'm good at
7. Criticizing me over stupid things
8. Making fun of my faults (If I do it back, it sounds much meaner)
9. Inefficiency (alpha or NT thing?)
10. Rednecks
11. George Bush might be the same as #10 though.
12. People who just accept the world as it is and think it can't be changed.
Polly
ENTp
I don't like it when some sumbitch eats my food, or messes up my food. I love good food, and I love when people cook for me. BUt don't steal my shit. I'll be generous, maybe. But don't take my shit. Especially if I'm hungry and haven't eaten for a while, it just gets irratating sometimes.
Don't try to mooch food off of me if I don't have a lot, and you do
Don't assume that I am 'sweet and shy' because I don't say a whole lot at times. If I'm not saying a lot, that might be an indicator that the Velociraptors are just around the corner, so be careful.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
.........
I guess this isn't so nice to say, but I don't like people who aren't very refined, or don't know what class and respect is. Not that rednecks are as such, no. I like american culture. But it just made me think of that.
People who are commited to old, worn out paradigms that cause more destruction and devision, as opposed to unity and peace
(see, religious fundementalists)
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Rednecks aren't American culture. I don't affiliate George Bush with all of the U.S. either.
The media in the U.S. does nothing to curb umm rednickism though.
I am to the point now though that even typing his name feels silly. If he comes on the news, I switch the channel. If I hear about him on the radio, I turn the station.
I don't have the food issues though. I actually don't tend to eat everything on my plate and am glad for the help (unless its an ingrediant I really like, like black olives and there are only a couple there).
I tend to forget to eat a lot though when I'm single. Without someone else to cook for, I'll go a whole day where I just won't get around to eating.
For me, I don't know if its so much about refinement as it is awareness. I don't care so much if someone is refined if they are a very aware person. In fact, I tend to have quite a few oddities in my life but they all tend to be very bright intellectual types and are varied.
Polly
ENTp
jh
Yes, good remark, i can't stand my mediocrity, when i think i could have done better e.g with school work, but didn't. At least i'll admit that. It is still something i'm working about and would like to improve. Procrastination is a BIG trouble for me. But i suppose most it's part of that i'm an intuitive, though i know it's not an excuse..."you see, i am an intuitive and that's a good motive why i haven't finished work in time"
#1. Boredom.
Does the following quote apply to you?
"I need to think, solve problems, and research tools for potential problems for every minute that I'm awake. I feel miserable otherwise."
Do you feel an intense need to do anything to get rid of the boredom when you suddenly find yourself at a standstill, and you're given the choice of:
1) continuing what you were doing before the boredom settled in
2) embarking on another study or endeavour, which induces trepidation because the cycle gets tedious after a while, and fills you with regrets for not having enough patience to carry through the grand ideas you had for the unfinished projects
Do you get so bored that it actually hurts?
(Curious about the type of a family member)
“I think, therefore I'll think" - Ayn Rand (ESTp, UR GUARDIAN ANGEL)
I get annoyed of those who are really bossy(but like to be the boss) or think there better than everyone.
High pitch noises or high pitch scratches.
ISFP, SEI
People who don't take the time to figure out what annoys me. I try to do that for others. Lack of reciprocation in that regard is not preferable.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
<rant>
The news. It's stupid and repetitive. I especially don't like listening to it on the radio--the radio is for music.
People whining about things they can't change (hence the rant tags).
When people take my things without asking me.
Excess light or noise.
People talking just to hear themselves speak.
etc.
</rant>
I don't particularly like what the current adminstration has done to the US
I don't like how Al Gore waited until 2006 to release "An Inconvenient Truth"
I don't like how sytems don't work as well as they should.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
somebody restricting my freedom
dishonesty
being messed with
That is the only three I can think of right now
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
--Theodore Roosevelt
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
-- Mark Twain
"Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in."
-- Confucius
Cargo cult science, determinism, us vs. them world views, substitution of morals in place of ethics, strong political or religious opinions, our society's focus on success and ignorance of duty, people getting all worked up about things they can't change or things that don't matter.
ENTp
People being so "open-minded" that they tolerate every belief except One.
What is "One"? Are you referring to contrarians?
ENTp
Define contrarian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrarian
Or perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-establishment
I think of a contrarian as someone who challenges the present establishment and would do so regardless of what it were.
Edit: Or the commonly held view on an issue.
ENTp
Well, I was referring to Christianity when I said, "One."
Yea, that's what I thought. That agitates me too.
I'm not religious or Republican by any means, or even American... but I get particularly annoyed by people who single out Bush, Christianity, the US military, etc. as all that is evil in the world.
ENTp
yeah. Can you give an example of substitution of morals for ethics?
Our legal system, Sharia, the Ten Commandments... these all are essentially arbitrarily defined finite sets of immoral and/or illegal actions. If they are defined by an entity with superhuman access to information and decision making capacity, we are then incapable of understanding the rationale behind them. Otherwise they have been developed by a large number of individuals from many different societies over hundreds to thousands of years.yeah. Can you give an example of substitution of morals for ethics?
The set of all possible actions one could undertake is uncountably infinite... there are more of them than we could ever possibly describe and subtle differences make them impossible to count. So individuals must define another infinite set of actions that are not specifically identified as wrong by the moral codes the society follows, but are still "not right". A decision making system based around an ethical principle such as altruism, would be able to define whether any given action was right or wrong given enough information, whereas a moral code would not.
That's just the way I see it, anyways. If we assume that the moral codes are perfect, and that all moral decisions are ethical and all immoral decisions are unethical, where do the "not moral" decisions fall? We need ethics to decide that. When someone sorts these "not moral" decisions, they must be applying other, more general rules.
Sorry that I can't provide a clear example, but I hope that helps to flesh it out.
ENTp
I've always though, that generally when we speak about morality there cannot be an ulterior set of nonmoral actions. It's always bound to be inclusive by extension, that is, if something does not seem to fall into its jurisdicion, the upholders of the given system of morality develop an ad-hoc branch starting from the moral axioms of the given religion/etc.Our legal system, Sharia, the Ten Commandments... these all are essentially arbitrarily defined finite sets of immoral and/or illegal actions. If they are defined by an entity with superhuman access to information and decision making capacity, we are then incapable of understanding the rationale behind them. Otherwise they have been developed by a large number of individuals from many different societies over hundreds to thousands of years.yeah. Can you give an example of substitution of morals for ethics?
The set of all possible actions one could undertake is uncountably infinite... there are more of them than we could ever possibly describe and subtle differences make them impossible to count. So individuals must define another infinite set of actions that are not specifically identified as wrong by the moral codes the society follows, but are still "not right". A decision making system based around an ethical principle such as altruism, would be able to define whether any given action was right or wrong given enough information, whereas a moral code would not.
That's just the way I see it, anyways. If we assume that the moral codes are perfect, and that all moral decisions are ethical and all immoral decisions are unethical, where do the "not moral" decisions fall? We need ethics to decide that. When someone sorts these "not moral" decisions, they must be applying other, more general rules.
Sorry that I can't provide a clear example, but I hope that helps to flesh it out.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Greed
Discomfort
Lack of free time
Responsibilities
Unwarranted hostility or negativity
Nay-sayers
Irresponsible authority
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Yea, hence developed over hundreds to thousands of years. The ad hoc choices that you describe are basically tactical decisions to ensure the survival of the system, manipulations where leaders take advantage of their social power to coerce others into complying with their beliefs, responses to overwhelming dissatisfaction, and so on. In Canada and the United States, liberal and conservative governments alike have certainly been guilty of making decisions based on these considerations.I've always though, that generally when we speak about morality there cannot be an ulterior set of nonmoral actions. It's always bound to be inclusive by extension, that is, if something does not seem to fall into its jurisdicion, the upholders of the given system of morality develop an ad-hoc branch starting from the moral axioms of the given religion/etc.......
I suppose I'll expand on my main point here: If you have "laws" that map a finite number of members of the countably infinite set of all possible actions to values {right,wrong} given the rules of a certain code and leave the remainder undefined, and you follow only a finite number of laws, it can be shown that a countably infinite number of possible actions will remain undefined.
Everyone must deal with these unclear decisions in some other way. Altruism, utilitarianism, and rational egoism are ethical ways of doing this. Sometimes we appeal to authority, majority or tradition to justify our decisions, which of course are fallacious arguments. Sometimes we make decisions randomly without knowing why. The way I see it, a hypothetical perfectly ethical person would make all of their decisions based on some ethical principle, and any agreement with moral codes would either be a coincidence or a utilitarian decision influenced by the pervasiveness of the moral codes in the society in which they reside, where the punishments they would incur for making "immoral" choices outweigh the rational benefits of making them.
ENTp
People who are obsessed with things like facts and other hogwash....
Common people get with the program.. everything is purely probabilistic!
With that said the chances of you getting me to cooperate by riding on my ass is a sure fire winner!
And ohh yeah I just can't wait to have another system, protocol, method, etc to improve productivity and efficiency.
Sarcasm aside...
No, your feelings aren't good enough, sure faster than light travel would be cool as hell [thumbsup] but stating that it has to be true because you channeled thru John Edwards, isn't good enough. I'll be more than happy to talk fantasy, but when we are talking reality lets keep the probabilities above in mind. Similarly saying you FEEL that we should get out of Iraq or Bomb Iran isn't good enough...
Sometimes when you think I am arguing with you... I am not... I am really arguing with myself, I just want you there a A. a witness, B. so I don't think of myself as schizophrenic.
You can have ANY opinion you want, but you better be prepared to defend it. (esp. if i perceive you are most likely wrong)
I am stubborn not because I am well stubborn, but that I believe what I think for a legitimate (or at least what I perceive a legitimate) reason, convince me otherwise, I'll do some homework and I'll be change my mind faster than John Kerry can vote for something after he voted against it (ok maybe not that fast).
/
ILE - E(NT)p? 7w8 so/sx
Yes.Our legal system, Sharia, the Ten Commandments... these all are essentially arbitrarily defined finite sets of immoral and/or illegal actions. If they are defined by an entity with superhuman access to information and decision making capacity, we are then incapable of understanding the rationale behind them. Otherwise they have been developed by a large number of individuals from many different societies over hundreds to thousands of years.yeah. Can you give an example of substitution of morals for ethics?
The set of all possible actions one could undertake is uncountably infinite... there are more of them than we could ever possibly describe and subtle differences make them impossible to count. So individuals must define another infinite set of actions that are not specifically identified as wrong by the moral codes the society follows, but are still "not right". A decision making system based around an ethical principle such as altruism, would be able to define whether any given action was right or wrong given enough information, whereas a moral code would not.
That's just the way I see it, anyways. If we assume that the moral codes are perfect, and that all moral decisions are ethical and all immoral decisions are unethical, where do the "not moral" decisions fall? We need ethics to decide that. When someone sorts these "not moral" decisions, they must be applying other, more general rules.
Sorry that I can't provide a clear example, but I hope that helps to flesh it out.
1. People who seek power for the sole sake of having power and will do anything to stay in such a position.
2. Being a failure
3. People who treat me in a condescending manner and dismiss my viewpoints without really listening to me.
4. Co-workers who become hostile to me because they don't understand that I become stressed out at having to socialize a lot.
5. People who are controlling
6. Having to manage people
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