Integral Types: How did America become ENTj?

[Slava]

I took history classes but and remember some of the events that were key in creating America, but I'm curious how the country became ENTj, it is like giving birth to a child. Was there a demand for it to become ENTj? Was it the spirit of the people at the time? Was it because of the entitie's survival tactics? What personality type was the decision making process lead by?

[UDP]

..... america was just in the right place at the right time. It is a lucky country because it had so many natural resources.

I really don't know if you can contribute it's 'success' to a psychological function...

[Slava]

It was all in the creation of the constitution because thats what solidified Americas values. There were a lot of heated debates during its making and they were probably Te vs. Ti and Fe vs. Fi arguments. Somehow the public felt that the Te method would work better for them at the time. Since you can't really mix both into your system without becoming indecisive the country grew more and more ENTj. I think that at the end of a country's life span the country becomes so extreme that its internal components suffer. Americas health is its people getting what they need in the right proportions. This country also has a very high rate of mental illness, which I think is due to the lack of Fe.

[science as magic]

i don''t really think america is all that entj. corporate culture seems to be but that is hardly american culture. i really really really do not think america has a unified social culture though

[UDP]

..... america was just in the right place at the right time. It is a lucky country because it had so many natural resources.

It's a bit more than that. Plenty of places have many natural resources and remain impoverished shit-bins.

right place, right time. Lots of "Enligtenment" theories coming over from Europe, etc. Or whatever that philosophical period was.

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It was all in the creation of the constitution because thats what solidified Americas values.

Most successful organizations have good Mission Statements.


If you are interested in things like this, chekc out Covey's 8th Habit. It's kind of an interesting twist on what you are talking about here... but more so focusing on how to get to the next leve -- which is what I like to think about.


[quote]This country also has a very high rate of mental illness, which I think is due to the lack of Fe.[/quote

We also have a shitload of people in jail, too.

We've got a lot of room for improvement, that's for sure. I don't know if it so much lacking, but it is because so much emphasis is placed on individuality. On "Scarcity Mentality" --- there can only be 1 no. 1, etc. Things like that. Captalism has it's pros and cons, that is for sure.

[Cone]

i don''t really think america is all that entj. corporate culture seems to be but that is hardly american culture. i really really really do not think america has a unified social culture though

I agree. I was just thinking earlier today that, really, every type is discredited in our society somehow and whatever is valued isn't a type but some sort of amalgam of non-type behaviors. I also think perhaps that our society might value the ENFj or whatever type Jadae is (although our society is not that type itself.)

[Slava]

Maybe our states or cities have types, and then they are governed within another metaphisical construct. But the state that has most voting power gives america itself its type. If this is true and power fluctuates, then america must have a split personality disorder....

Psychologist: America, can I please speak to New York
America: This is New York, why do you summon me....


A cars personality is that of whoever is stearing it, either physically or through command.

[implied]

i hate it when pedro the lion and cone say everything i want to say. anyhow, i concur. america isn't ENTj.

[pesto]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

[Slava]

but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

I'm moving to europe.

[FDG]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

It just seems a redundancy of infos, the american website that is. I thought that due to they'd be more likely to outline the essentials instead of adding tons of useless crap?

[Slava]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

It just seems a redundancy of infos, the american website that is. I thought that due to they'd be more likely to outline the essentials instead of adding tons of useless crap?

You just reminded me about how Te format documents make me dizzy, because I dont want people telling me what the essentials are. I need to know the attributes of what they call essentials, so that I can know for sure which is the essential for me. Basically I don;t want to be looking at logical heirarchies with structure, I would rather see the raw data in table format and generate the structures myself internally based on what feel is high priority. Ebay and other search results are nice like that because they allow you to list the results descending or ascending according you the factor you feel is more important. News paper ads force the structure.

Te people must have invented the H1, H2, H3... html tags.

[pesto]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

It just seems a redundancy of infos, the american website that is. I thought that due to they'd be more likely to outline the essentials instead of adding tons of useless crap?

in Europe? Hmm, I don't know. It could be over here aswell. I don't know. But the difference in that I see in these is not only the information overload on the American version but a more relaxing color scheme and antialias etc on the Danish one.

[FDG]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

It just seems a redundancy of infos, the american website that is. I thought that due to they'd be more likely to outline the essentials instead of adding tons of useless crap?

in Europe? Hmm, I don't know. It could be over here aswell. I don't know. But the difference in that I see in these is not only the information overload on the American version but a more relaxing color scheme and antialias etc on the Danish one.

Ah yeah, it just gives off a better impression.

[Slava]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

I don't think this has anything to do with, much less does it determine, anything about America. It's one freaking website. Wtf? It's like me going to this website: http://www.nigeria.com/ and then saying that Nigerian people are really simplistic in that they don't like a lot of flashy graphics but they love to advertise a lot of things.

Nigeria isn't very good at web design, they must be an old INFj who doesn;t know about aesthetic ballance.

[pesto]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

I don't think this has anything to do with, much less does it determine, anything about America. It's one freaking website. Wtf? It's like me going to this website: http://www.nigeria.com/ and then saying that Nigerian people are really simplistic in that they don't like a lot of flashy graphics but they love to advertise a lot of things.

Yeah, it was an example. I could of course send you my intire firefox history, but we wouldn't want that.

[Slava]

Something that speeks for ENTj, is the lack of . Most anything from the US is more than things from around here. I'm not talking about art etc, but the everyday stuff.

An easy way to compare different esthetical traditions is looking at websites from different parts of the world. This only one example, but it's quite characteristic of the difference between US layouts and the European.

American low budget web hotel
Danish low budget web hotel

I don't think this has anything to do with, much less does it determine, anything about America. It's one freaking website. Wtf? It's like me going to this website: http://www.nigeria.com/ and then saying that Nigerian people are really simplistic in that they don't like a lot of flashy graphics but they love to advertise a lot of things.

Yeah, it was an example. I could of course send you my intire firefox history, but we wouldn't want that.

I do know what you mean... you were giving your example as a single component of the pattern collection method you use, to paint your Ne probability canvas and then look for the darkest smudges. People without Ne wouldn't understand this I dont think, unless they accept what you can do, which is kinda hard if you don't do it.

[pesto]

I do know what you mean... you were giving your example as a single component of the pattern collection method you use, to paint your Ne probability canvas and then look for the darkest smudges. People without Ne wouldn't understand this I dont think, unless they accept what you can do, which is kinda hard if you don't do it.

Definitely. And that's why rocks. :wink: So it's hard for some to accept, but it saves us a lot of time not being obsessed with minor details.

(But these actually weren't even the darkest smudges. I've just spent a lot of time on godaddy and am sort of amazed by the chaos, both when it comes to information and esthetics.)

[science as magic]

Maybe our states or cities have types, and then they are governed within another metaphisical construct. But the state that has most voting power gives america itself its type. If this is true and power fluctuates, then america must have a split personality disorder....

if you think politics controls the usa then you are sadly mistaken

[Slava]

Maybe our states or cities have types, and then they are governed within another metaphisical construct. But the state that has most voting power gives america itself its type. If this is true and power fluctuates, then america must have a split personality disorder....

if you think politics controls the usa then you are sadly mistaken

What would you say controls it? Also, is there an indirect force politics exudes on the country.

[science as magic]

i think it is naive to think in terms of single influeces. that is only necessary when you are trying to isolate the effects of different things upon something rather than the opposite. i do think that politics has an overarching impact on the usa in two senses a) that it affects all people (but i do not believe this necessitates a uniform response as "politics" is a compliation of many things and persons respond to different facets of it) 2) if you go back far enough in the chain of influence you eventually find everything being interrelated.

[Austy]

Funny, must be my cause I thought the american site looked much better, thinking of the other one as boring and too simple to be professional. Funky how we all think.

[Raver]

I think the misconception of America being ENTj is that it is based on a capitalist system. Now, the fact that I believe capitalism equals Te could be a misconception as well, but most perceive it as such. When I look at the world, all I see is Capitalism right before my eyes at work constantly as people's selfish needs are fulfilled everywhere you look, thus boosting the economy endlessly. Overall, I believe it depends on what category your looking at it. Economically speaking it is ENTj, however culturally it could be defined as ESTp or anything else. Socially it could be defined as ESFj and so on.

[Ms. Kensington]

Can you type the US States?

I'm thinking Texas is ESFj?

[xyz]

hahaha. Only 2 things come outta texas!

[Brilliand]

Can you type the US States?

I'm thinking Texas is ESFj?

Oh goody, my dual. Except that that makes me an unnatural Texan.

hahaha. Only 2 things come outta texas!

What are those?

[olduser]

most definitely:

Texas = ENFj/ISTj. jesus christ. this is obvious. when i think of texas i think of some really annoying talkative girl talking about who's got money in town. A bad terrible ENFj stereotype. Just like ISTj is a good ol' boy stereotype.

Colorado = Super Delta state. Likely ESTj/ENFp. Tons and tons of outdoor adventure stuff, but also many conservatives.

Those are the ones that i think have definite identities. i haven't travelled alot.

[Ms. Kensington]

i agree with you heathiep