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[oceanlife]

Gathering new opinions:



thanks-

[The_Ghost]

INTp.

[Phaedrus]

INTp was my first thought. I haven't got a second thought yet.

[oceanlife]

Does a smile change any guesses?

INTp's a good guess, though I think I'm closer to INFj/INFp or ENFp

[oyburger]

I could see INFp.

[science as magic]

my immediate reaction was enfj. i was shocked that people thought IxTx

(notes: a) i suck at vi 2) it doesn't work necessarily c) i don't really take it all that seriously)

[Creepy-pokeball]

This is the part when someone says feelererererererery. I had to say it! It was my pre-emptive strike

[vague]

[Creepy-pokeball]

oceanlife seems familiar.

[Phaedrus]

I'm not sure about INTp anymore. But he probably still looks Np. Not sure about F or T, though initially I was inclined to guess T. I'm not sure he isn't ENFj. I can't recall a "perfect match" in my V.I gallery.

[oceanlife]

I think my greatest gift and weakness is my ability to keep taking in information and impressions, and my ability to express impressions that I've taken in. They are ever changing, so it feels like *i'm* ever changing.

Day to day, hour to hour, note to note.

This stood out in the INFj description:

"In relations with people his interests are narrowed to a certain group, but in the objective world he is interested by absolutely everything: his intellect and skills are really omnivorous. He is scarcely capable of evaluating the quality of his work and time spent to accomplish it."

This may explain why for a feeler, my mind is constantly active. It seems like that should equal NT, but I'm a softy sentimentalist dreamer; I am not rational. However I've studied MBTI and Egram and now socionics for years looking for 'me', or a just description of me; just when I think I've landed a shark, he wrestles away.

Like INFp I am an idealist, and easily infatuated.

Like ENFp I'm very improvisational. That's my preferred method of creation. Although improvisational towards a structured ideal, if that makes any sense.

I basically feel like I'm looking for ground in an ever changing sea. How can I be settled in one type when many seem to fit at different times? Each day brings new information and new feelings and new discoveries, that pinning myself down (though I try, tremendously) seems impossible.

I've never worked so hard at anything in my life (literally), as with personality systems. Yet each path I run down seems to get me closer only to drop me further away.

I love to hear opinions on my socionics and Egram type. Can't say I'll tell you a definite answer, but if it's to be found, I'm determined to find it.

thanks all-

[meatburger]

A lot of what you said sounds ENFp.

INFj is possible though as you meantioned structure etc

:I think my greatest gift and weakness is my ability to keep taking in information and impressions, and my ability to express impressions that I've taken in. They are ever changing, so it feels like *i'm* ever changing"

That describes me brilliantly

[aestrivex]

why do you say that you are not rational?

[science as magic]

improvisational towards a structured ideal, if that makes any sense.

this sort of thing does sound rational.

[Animal]

ENXp, just by V.I. alone. Probably ENFp.

[Gilly]

Absolutely an intuitive and perceiver. I/E...tough, but I'm going with introversion. Can't distinguish T/F. Do you have pictures of yourself in a more natural setting (not posed)?

[FDG]

When I first saw the pic on another forum I thought ENTp

[oceanlife]

(hi fdg )

Socionics is brand new for me. I said I didn't think I was rational, assuming that meant hard 'T', and I am influenced a lot by feelings and conditional experience; for me my decisions depend a lot on what's going on around me, who's there and what they think/feel. I take other's feelings and thoughts into consideration, so I didn't think that could mean 'T'. I'm not mainly principled, I'm mainly relational.

Though I see that ENTp is considered 'irrational', so, I'm not sure I understand. Maybe I'm mistaken.

For ENTp, 'two birds in the bush', 'recharge', 'servant', 'undifferentiated feeling', and 'liberty of communication' all fit with me. Especially 'servant':

[[His dependence on the emotional ambiance of others produces an effect of extreme compliance in minor and routine things. Having freed himself thus from having to pay attention to such unpleasant things, he switches for his favorite activity – figuring out the essence of things and phenomena. He does not differentiate people into “us” and “them”, tries to be equally polite to everybody.]]

I consider my life having two parts, mental and physical. There's the physical, where I am, and the mental, everything I can imagine. Most often the two don't shake hands, much less meet up and stroll in the park for an extent of time. There's much fear in trying to implement things from my head to the physical plane. It's obviously much easier to live in your head. Battles are won and lost, projects are started and finished.

As for I/E, my mood and energy often depends on my engagement with the world. I don't see myself as strictly operating from the inside out. I see three distinct patterns/phases in my life:

From 0-15 I was extremely quiet, few friends, bookish, satisfied with my own company. 16-25 or so was very extroverted, couldn't miss a party, group of friends was my life. I had a major family loss at 15 and it threw me in a whirlwind. Now 26+ I'm more balanced, evening out.

Maybe that's enough for now. Here's a couple more pics. I don't have very many that are unposed. The second one was taken by my 4 year old son.





thanks for helping everyone!

[Phaedrus]

I don't believe in INTp anymore. Now I would probably guess ENFp. Some of the pictures look most like that type I think.

[oceanlife]

as of right now, ENTp seems to fit best, which correlates with Oldham Inventive, which everything is on the mark.

However, due to:

"10. Self-consciousness Persons of the Inventive type look to others for approval. They are very conscious of how others treat them and highly sensitive to criticism and negative evaluation."

I'm not always 100% confident of my abilities. I was raised by a relentlessly disparaging mom who always underestimated my abilities. This adds to why I have an extreme passion for the continuation of knowledge; I never feel I have enough to 'move on' or to be grounded enough to act.

But the quest for fame, invention, competence, attention (yes!) and idealized self-image are all in place.

[oceanlife]

I don't believe in INTp anymore. Now I would probably guess ENFp. Some of the pictures look most like that type I think.

Ha, 4 minutes apart.

I think ENFp and ENTp are very close. However Inventive, which correlates with ENTp, fits much better than Vigilent (ENFp), which I am quite not.

[Stormy]

I think ENFp and ENTp are very close. However Inventive, which correlates with ENTp, fits much better than Vigilent (ENFp), which I am quite not.

You're being quiet vigilant in making sure the cross-references all cohere.

[oceanlife]

Maybe not Vigilant, but 'thorough'? For Vigilant:

1. Autonomy. Vigilant-style individuals possess a resilient independence. They keep their own counsel, they require no outside reassurance or advice, they make decisions easily, and they can take care of themselves.

** not too true


2. Caution. They are careful in their dealings with others, preferring to size up a person before entering into a relationship.

** I jump before I look

3. Perceptiveness. They are good listeners, with an ear for subtlety, tone, and multiple levels of communication.

** yes somewhat true

4. Self-defense. Individuals with Vigilant style are feisty and do not hesitate to stand up for themselves, especially when they are under attack.

** nah

5. Alertness to criticism. They take criticism very seriously, without becoming intimidated.

** no way. Alertness, yes, but I can be intimidated.

6. Fidelity. They place a high premium on fidelity and loyalty. They work hard to earn it, and they never take it for granted.

** only in my primary relationship. Beyond that, no rules. :wink:

[Stormy]

My point was that if you want to find your Socionics Type, maybe you should focus on Socionics, not ptypes.

[oceanlife]

Well they had to throw that correlation in there, didn't they.

also I was thinking about my 'smile' picture, the strain that it took to churn up a big smile like that. It was difficult. Whereas ENFp's to me seem like perpetual smilers. Like life is one big smile fest and we are all to be pitied who don't see every rainbow and every hug as the nectar of existence.

:wink:

I'm not suggesting NeFi.....I just thought i'd point out that Fi's have probably the shyest smiles when it does show up.

[oceanlife]

correction; I do see rainbows as incredible. However interpersonal energy I take as less inherently ideal.

[Stormy]

Well they had to throw that correlation in there, didn't they.

'They'? You've turned one interpretation of Socionics into an authority already?
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[oceanlife]

Easy on the authority inference. I was just using what was in front of me.

http://www.the16types.info/types.php?typename=ENFP

top of the page ENFP

bottom of the page Vigilant.

[Stormy]

Easy on the authority inference. I was just using what was in front of me.

http://www.the16types.info/types.php?typename=ENFP

Heh. Have you taken the test on that site?

[oceanlife]

Took it the other day. INFp normal, INFj reversed. INFj combined.

Just took it again:

INFp normal, INTx reversed, INxP combined.

"This summarises your type as one of the following (in alphabetical order):

INFP a.k.a. Intuitive-Ethical Intratim "The Romantic",
INTP a.k.a. Intuitive-Logical Intratim "The Observer"."

The decider:

click here if:

You may often pay too much attention to your thinking-logical side, which in return leads you to believe that it is as strong as your feeling-emotional side. However in reality, you find it much easier to demonstrate your love and affection rather than to pass on your knowledge and erudition.

click here if:

You may often pay too much attention to your feeling-emotional side, which in return leads you to believe that it is as strong as your thinking-logical side. However in reality, you find it much easier to pass on your knowledge and erudition rather than to demonstrate your love and affection.

** I haven't clicked yet.

[oceanlife]

A lot of what you said sounds ENFp.

INFj is possible though as you meantioned structure etc

:I think my greatest gift and weakness is my ability to keep taking in information and impressions, and my ability to express impressions that I've taken in. They are ever changing, so it feels like *i'm* ever changing"

That describes me brilliantly

[oceanlife]

improvisational towards a structured ideal, if that makes any sense.

this sort of thing does sound rational.

I need a good definition of rational/irrational. I'm understanding that it does not correlate with T/F, or logic/ethic?

As a side note, why in all the photos of ENTp's no one is smiling, looking at the camera, whereas all of them in ENFp are? Is that extreme done on purpose to accentuate the more 'mental' and self-conscious nature of ENTp, and to make ENFp's seem more outgoing and friendly?

(by the way I'm referring to socioniko.net)

[science as magic]

it correlates with a t/f function being a primary one in type theory. i tend to correlate it with e_j, _tj, _n_j, the T/F(e) subtype of certain i_ps

[oceanlife]

A recent set of lyrics:

'Gravity'

Day by day I feel the gravity come
like a weight like a brick
Fill my body with water and blood
Quit my levitation trick

One step closer to me
I'm climbing over the walls
One step closer to free
Gravity

Take my hand and pull me underwater
Tie a weight to my belt
I will learn to breathe underwater
Play the cards I was dealt

One step closer to me
I'm climbing over the walls
One step closer to free

and it feels good
and it feels good
as it should

feels good
gravity

One step closer to me
I'm climbing over the walls
One step closer to free
Gravity

Day by day I feel the gravity



oceanlife

[oceanlife]

Hey FDG,

You changed from ENTp to ESTp, correct? What were the deciding factors? Do you see us as different in a specific way?

[FDG]

Hey FDG,

You changed from ENTp to ESTp, correct? What were the deciding factors? Do you see us as different in a specific way?

You're milder, gentler, better natured, happier with less and less decisive.

[oceanlife]

That sounds about right but doesn't sound like the difference between N and S, does it?

Unless it makes me an F and you a j.

[FDG]

That sounds about right but doesn't sound like the difference between N and S, does it?

It does in socionics terms!

[oceanlife]

too many damn systems! I'm bred on thinking of N and S as the diff. between 'big picture' and 'details', intuition and sensate, not of being gentler or milder or less or more decisive.

Can I bang my head against the wall now, please?

[oceanlife]

ENTP

Socionic Perspective: The Searcher

Mood

explorative; light-hearted curiosity; optimistic; focused on interests; interested in ideas; usually upbeat; detached curiosity

ESTP

Socionic Perspective: The Legionnaire

Mood

forceful; demanding of others; go-getter; not easily intimidated; ready for battle

** are you ready for battle FDG?

:wink: