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    Thought it'd be useful.




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    I think he's some sort of Gamma Introvert. The entire point of Oldboy was about how even the most mundane of human interactions can have unforseen, unknowable consequences (Ni), possibly causing someone enough internal pain (Fi) that they may someday retaliate (Se).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I think he's some sort of Gamma Introvert. The entire point of Oldboy was about how even the most mundane of human interactions can have unforseen, unknowable consequences (Ni), possibly causing someone enough internal pain (Fi) that they may someday retaliate (Se).
    really? that literal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    really? that literal?
    ok maybe not "entire point" but I'm tired and sometimes I use hyperbole when I'm arguing. cut a brotha sum slack, yo?

    I'm not an EII, I don't see all the crazy shit that you guys do in art

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    i've seen Oldboy and Cut (i think it was called?), i could never honestly relate to anything in his movies. inclined to put him in beta cuz thematically everything about him is beta to me, but what do i know~~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    i've seen Oldboy and Cut (i think it was called?), i could never honestly relate to anything in his movies. inclined to put him in beta cuz thematically everything about him is beta to me, but what do i know~~
    I don't like this therefore opposing quadra

    What about Oldboy is Fe? The whole plot turns on the axis of a private wound that the antagonist suffered, and how he carried inside of him for decades. Betas are much more "in the moment" with their emotions.

    Also, I just saw Stoker the other day. Stars Mia Wasikowska (EII), Nicole Kidman (ESI), written by Wentworth Miller (LIE). If Chan Wook is Fe valuing, he sure knows how to surround himself with the wrong people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    i've seen Oldboy and Cut (i think it was called?), i could never honestly relate to anything in his movies. inclined to put him in beta cuz thematically everything about him is beta to me, but what do i know~~

    I could never relate to anything in Oldboy either, but it has a strange appeal because of its aesthetics and how it takes its randomness so seriously. Those things sound alpha, no? Also the biggest fans of Oldboy I know are alpha (ILE).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I think he's some sort of Gamma Introvert. The entire point of Oldboy was about how even the most mundane of human interactions can have unforseen, unknowable consequences (Ni), possibly causing someone enough internal pain (Fi) that they may someday retaliate (Se).
    this description could very well be Beta, it doesn't hold. Or are you kind of trying to establish an avant-garde dichotomy where Fi is internal pain and Fe only martin luther king jr or malcolm x?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    I think he's some sort of Gamma Introvert. The entire point of Oldboy was about how even the most mundane of human interactions can have unforseen, unknowable consequences (Ni), possibly causing someone enough internal pain (Fi) that they may someday retaliate (Se).
    Watched the movie again. Not really seeing it.

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    MY FEELINGS HAVE COLORS MY TEARS ARE RAINBOWS

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    Fi is felt in relation to other people, I believe.

    + Fi - good relations, love, friendship, affection, attraction, warmth in relations, sociability, close psychological distance, goodness, compassion;
    − Fi - poor relations, hatred, animosity, antipathy, repulsion, indifference in relations, alienation, unsociability, remote psychological distance, wickedness, mercilessness;

    + Fe - positive emotions, joy, merriment, emotional elation, excitement, a smile, laughter, enthusiasm, optimism, good mood, the experience of happiness;
    − Fe - negative emotions, grief, sorrow, sadness, emotional recession, depression, crying, tears, frustration, pessimism, poor mood, the experience of unhappiness;

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Fi is felt in relation to other people, I believe.

    + Fi - good relations, love, friendship, affection, attraction, warmth in relations, sociability, close psychological distance, goodness, compassion;
    − Fi - poor relations, hatred, animosity, antipathy, repulsion, indifference in relations, alienation, unsociability, remote psychological distance, wickedness, mercilessness;

    + Fe - positive emotions, joy, merriment, emotional elation, excitement, a smile, laughter, enthusiasm, optimism, good mood, the experience of happiness;
    − Fe - negative emotions, grief, sorrow, sadness, emotional recession, depression, crying, tears, frustration, pessimism, poor mood, the experience of unhappiness;
    His line of argument was that someone experiencing "a wound" and living for more than 5 minutes with some sort of pain (albeit suppressed/ repressed) that could compel them to get even after some time is Quadra-related and specifically Fi. But even if he really wanted to associate such a universal human experience with Quadras, I would recommend him to watch movies in Eastwood's "Unforgiven" series.

    Besides he hasn't been able to answer why a person fighting for human rights (specifically against racism and oppression) on a broad social level, not only on a personal one is a narcissist and mere "drama". I suppose he got the Nobel Prize for having a cult of personality only. Such a thing can only be uttered by a Fi polr who is striving to understand people according to far-fetched personal dichotomies that can hardly apply to that arena. It's not external manifestations of emotions that he doesn't understand or appreciate, it's intrinsic value (stuff like human dignity etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    His line of argument was that someone experiencing "a wound" and living for more than 5 minutes with some sort of pain (albeit suppressed/ repressed) that could compel them to get even after some time is Quadra-related and specifically Fi. But even if he really wanted to associate such a universal human experience with Quadras, I would recommend him to watch movies in Eastwood's Unforgiven series.

    Besides he hasn't been able to answer why a person fighting for human rights (specifically against racism and oppression) on a broad social level, not only on a personal one is a narcissist and mere "drama". I suppose he got the Nobel Prize for having a cult of personality only. Such a thing can only be uttered by a Fi polr who is striving to understand people according to far-fetched personal dichotomies that can hardly apply to that arena. It's not external manifestations of emotions that he doesn't understand or appreciate, it's intrinsic value (stuff like human dignity etc.).
    You're so right
    We can't put everything into quadras.

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    "I believe there are more films that involve love and forgiveness than violence, but they often seem fake and are almost embarrassing to watch."

    "I guess I probably make violent films partly because I can't express my anger in my real life very well."

    "When you first hear Mozart's music, your first impression is that it's very alive, but if you peel away the layers, you can hear sorrow and sadness behind it, and that's what I try to be: multi-layered."

    "All of the characters in my films, they share one commonality. It doesn't matter whether they are good or bad, it doesn't matter whether they are smart or stupid, these characters all take responsibility for their own behavior. I'm much the same."

    "I believe 'love' is very nice to hear, but it's used so much that it's come to a point where it's almost meaningless."

    "When we are confronted with extreme situations, we forget about moral issues; we simply act and must then accept the consequences."

    "When I was going through puberty, I had all these feelings of being unstable through those years, and being uncontrollably drawn to things of beauty and things that are bad."

    "If you would ask me what my ideal process is, I would say, long pre-production, long production and long post-production."

    "Certain subjects may no longer be taboo in cinema. But there are ways to treat them that still create shock."

    "Living without hate for people is almost impossible."

    "In my opinion, all relationships between people have some sort of violence, and it is central."

    "The point of revenge is not in the completion but in the process."

    "A priest encounters temptation every day, and some of that desire is very natural."

    "I have always meticulously storyboarded my films from beginning to end."
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    LSI could be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosewood View Post
    I suppose he got the Nobel Prize for having a cult of personality only.
    Isn't that how Obama got his?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    Isn't that how Obama got his?
    It's easy to mistake what Obama does for Fe, but it's all Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    It's easy to mistake what Obama does for Fe, but it's all Fi.
    i didn't say Obama was ENFj. I just was talking about his cult of personality.

    I have no clue what type the man is. If you have a suggestion, I'd like to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Fi is felt in relation to other people, I believe
    + Fi - good relations, love, friendship, affection, attraction, warmth in relations, sociability, close psychological distance, goodness, compassion;
    − Fi - poor relations, hatred, animosity, antipathy, repulsion, indifference in relations, alienation, unsociability, remote psychological distance, wickedness, mercilessness;
    This would make Woo-jin, the villian of Oldboy, Fi-Valuing, at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoobie77 View Post
    This would make Woo-jin, the villian of Oldboy, Fi-Valuing, at least.
    I find someone can value one thing, and exhibit something entirely different for sake of expediency.

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