Your stories and experiences with LSIs/ISTjs

[Creepy-bg]

You see, I'd never refer to that as "empathy". Which proves the main point.

I agree... that's just mirroring.

[inumbra]

You see, I'd never refer to that as "empathy". Which proves the main point.

But if you feel what they feel, see what they see (their pov), then you feel for them and wish to "help" them in some way (well, not always, but you feel for them nonetheless).

How is this not empathy?

I am confused.

And how does it "prove the main point"?

[Kristiina]

But if you feel what they feel, see what they see (their pov), then you feel for them and wish to "help" them in some way (well, not always, but you feel for them nonetheless).

How is this not empathy?

I am confused.

And how does it "prove the main point"?

it's empathy!

Empathy (dictionary.com): the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
So basically even intellectually acknowledging what the other person is feeling is empathy. Only bad people would say that LSIs don't have empathy. LSIs IME are usually very nice people who really try to help others because they identify with their problems and distress.

Maybe they are talking about some kind of empathy - to see what the other person is feeling and then feel what the other person is SUPPOSED TO feel and then judge them by that.

[inumbra]

[mikemex]

http://www.penttilinkola.com/

[olduser]

i just discovered that a really close friend of mine is probably LSI or EIE, i am very torn. i've always suspected it, but he doesn't fit the profile. he's a really really big loser by society's standards. \

Anyway, he demonstrates lsi behaviour in that he is narrow-minded about what he thinks about things and it takes him a long time to adapt to new anything(he hasn't changed his eating habits in years and eats the same thing at every restauraunt he attends, he acts really surprised and thinks it is a big deal when he finds new music he likes), he is a very expressive character(which could make him seem Fe, but he isn't) he does funny things like modulate his voice over the phone if you ask him a question or anything. if you greet him he will make a big deal of it and say a greeting in some booming or cartoonish voice, but always with a hint of aggression. always with hints of aggression. he thinks it is a big BIG no-no to ever let anyone get anything from him without a minor fight. even if you ask to borrow something in a polite, diminished way he'll aggressively and humourously interrogate you about your intentions. He is really ready to fight people and seems to relish a battle strong attitude but when it comes down to business he is really lethargic and overly concerned about his physical self. One of the things that really makes his Ti stand out is the way he confronts stammering people or indecision. If there is ever a situation where there is uncertainty(such as deciding on a place to go, something to do) he gets really agitated and starts confronting everyone around him. He doesn't want to shoulder responsibility for the decision, but he insists on pushing others into a decision. If the decision turns out to be a poor one he will have no problem being angry and bad talking to the person responsible. Another Ti instance is how much he dislikes people who use incorrect words, or phrases(he isn't of booming intellect, btw). He is very much into precise language even though he has limited breadth of knowledge, when someone describes something in his field of knowledge he will be quick to note outloud their inconsistencies. He really enjoys confronting others on their inconsistencies. sometimes i think he thinks the idea of being consistent is so important that he does things that end up sabotaging him just to retain consistency. To summarize I'd describe him as: Aggressive, very outgoing(always the first person to introduce himself, loves to start up conversation with interesting strangers), precise in wording, always joking, always goofy, my friend and i once decided that he is almost never cross and is always happy to be talking with other people, but when in a poor mood he tells everyone and makes sure to scowl at them. also, EXTREMELY goofy. not in that alpha way where it's really absurd but in that, "hey you are my friend act like it and let's talk"

christ a long description! he is a person i have been extremely close to and a person i thoroughly understand so i can think of so many memorable instances of his behaviour that it is hard to be brief.

He and I have nurtured and battled through a close friendship for a long time. We come from very similar backgrounds and have always talked about eachother's families and stuff like that.

[PotatoSpirit]

i just discovered that a really close friend of mine is probably LSI or EIE, i am very torn. i've always suspected it, but he doesn't fit the profile. he's a really really big loser by society's standards.

Well if it helps I either relate or would have related in the past to 90% of the description.

[guest32456]

About the whole empathy thing ...

it's empathy!

Empathy (dictionary.com): the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
So basically even intellectually acknowledging what the other person is feeling is empathy. Only bad people would say that LSIs don't have empathy. LSIs IME are usually very nice people who really try to help others because they identify with their problems and distress.

Maybe they are talking about some kind of empathy - to see what the other person is feeling and then feel what the other person is SUPPOSED TO feel and then judge them by that.

If I had to take a guess at what empathy is, I guess I’d say that it’s the subtle, intuitive, back-of-your-mind awareness of the vibes that other people put out.

Slightly different from the dictionary definition, but who minds that?

[guest32456]

I seem to have a habit of not saying directly what I'm after ... and then getting embarrassed when I have to push the question :/

If I had to take a guess at what empathy is, I guess I’d say that it’s the subtle, intuitive, back-of-your-mind awareness of the vibes that other people put out.

I guess I was trying to say is what other people make of this idea of "empathy". The thing that really throws me when it comes to empathy is that, if I tried to be more empathic, in a way, I wouldn't know where to start. Because it's so obviously there, but it's also quite back-of-your-mind stuff - it's difficult to express in actions how much you care, and sometimes it's difficult to know how much you take your empathy for granted and would miss it if it was taken away.

Is this making sense at all?

[machintruc]

http://www.conf-intimes.1k.fr/voir_video.php?num=41

I changed my mind. He's LII.

[reckoner]

My Mom is LSI. She is a psychotic control freak. She makes lists for her lists. Definition of "nag." When she loses control of a situation, it's like reality cracks, and she usually bursts out in tears. She'll get drunk once in awhile and try to get in touch with her spontaneous side that doesn't exist. During these times her behavior will be awkward, though almost wierdly endearing.

I love her though cause she gets things done and is a good planner. Thanks to her, my wife and I get to go on a dope vacation somewhere exotic every single year. She's also the voice in my head that, while annoying, keeps me from becoming a complete waste of life.

Seriously though, she's a good person. She's just extremely demanding and struggles to express her emotions at times.

[lastdance]

funny topic

[lastdance]

"Hey! No food or drink in the exhibit! I guess I'll have to drink that for you." He takes it away from her, and starts drinking it. He flirts a lot.

Overall, he is a cool person.

rotfl

[Ezra]

best advice ever regarding ISTjs. it could probably also be applied to types in general.

lol @ maria agreeing with jesse