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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Oh. The Red River Flood?
    No. I'm in Europe.

    I'm satisfied with that. I mean, I'm no physical chemist.
    Cool. Neither am I. Although R12 has a peculiar affect on your hands if you're smart enough to try and close the leak with your hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    No. I'm in Europe.
    Oops. An immediate association. The Oder, then?

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    Cool. Neither am I. Although R12 has a peculiar affect on your hands if you're smart enough to try and close the leak with your hands...
    Is it a good or bad affect?

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    I am just waiting for the moment she tries Jainism... History shows it is a strong probability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Oops. An immediate association. The Oder, then?
    Yup, It is one of the rivers that crosses this land. Third place in beer consumption. Now there is a storm coming, so if anyone wants to shower...

    Is it a good or bad affect?
    Frostbite never fine in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Yup, It is one of the rivers that crosses this land. Third place in beer consumption. Now there is a storm coming, so if anyone wants to shower...
    Is this land Germany?

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    Frostbite never fine in my book.
    Like handling liquid hydrogen. I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Martrix View Post
    Is this land Germany?

    Like handling liquid hydrogen. I see.
    Hahaha

    Nope.

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    Maritsa I love you but I could never justify not showering once a day. It is so incredibly important to me. I just can't deal with smelling people. I get a little nauseous just thinking about it.

    And what in the hell is a water allergy

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    It is when your skin comes off showing only the glowing skull while you're taking a shower, @jessica129


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    I can tune out smells pretty easy, but, for myself, being in water rejuvinates me too much to not do it often. I start to feel all out of sorts if I don't get to shower, bathe, or swim at least everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bg View Post
    I can tune out smells pretty easy, but, for myself, i start to feel dead inside if i don't get to be in water everyday.
    Same.

    I also wonder to what extent it is really the person's skin that smells. I think most of the time we smell dirty clothes, not dirty skin. In the article I linked above, the person says that the people she knows who don't use chemicals and soap to bathe don't smell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Same.

    I also wonder to what extent it is really the person's skin that smells. I think most of the time we smell dirty clothes, not dirty skin. In the article I linked above, the person says that the people she knows who don't use chemicals and soap to bathe don't smell.
    yeah, whenever I've stunk to the point of a friend or whatever having to tell me that I stink, it's when I've gone days without changing clothes.

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    This is interesting.That first article, Maritsa, really made me want to take a shower, too. Maritsa, you are going to suspect me of being EII when you see how into this health stuff i am. Most people find it boring or its just not appropriate conversation topic but since its the topic I will talk about it!

    Kim's article is particularly interesting. I note that the article said that Sodium Laurel Sulfates (SLS) are the very worst. And yes, they are the most common ingredient, and at the top of the list of the shampoos! I have been actively avoiding SLS for some years now. I do not use it in shampoo or soap (I use bars of goats milk soap) so therefore my shampoo/conditioner is more expensive. I use it sparingly (my favorite has a cherry-almond scent and I love it) and I have reduced daily shampooing to about 2x a week, which my hair adjusted to fine in the past couple of years.

    I do shower the rest of me daily, and my shower head has a filter on it to filter out the chlorine which is bad to breathe and not good on your skin. Water-treatment-plant water is just not good for anyone. I use a 10-stage water filter for drinking water (the filter needs changing once a year), and I add to my diet extra minerals 3x a day which makes up for what was stripped from the water in all the processing (and because we ALL need them). I also take a product called 100+ Probiotics, 3x daily right now.

    I used to have notable dry skin problems I was always working on. I always moisturized daily, and went for the natural products, and for the longest time, my go-to moisturizer was cold pressed virgin coconut oil, and that seemed a perfect solution. But then I developed a rash on my face that my naturapath determined was because of the coconut oil. He said yo never use vegetable-based oil, including that coconut oil, so I haven't used that for about 3 years now. Animal fat based things are the only thing we should use on our skin, he says, because it absorbs naturally into the skin. Instead, my coconut oil had been trapped on my skin keeping it from breathing, causing an underlying problem to not resolve itself, thus the rash). So I don't use anything now, most of the time. But recently I wanted to do something extra nice to prepare for my wedding, so I started using this amino acid mix some people take internally that his wife recommended I try, made from animal fats.

    At any rate I have recently noted, now that spring is here, that the dry skin"condition that I thought was normal to me is truly completely all gone. And that's pretty remarkable considering how long I had dry skin. I think its due to all those factors: no SLS's, taking extra probiotics and minerals daily, and also following my Naturapaths recommended diet as close as I can for over two years now which avoids carbs, a big culprit to many ills, and includes fats, even bacon and whole milk and butter! (I try to go for low processed of all of that, no-nitrate bacon, raw or lightly pasteurized milk, cheese from raw milk when I can).

    Oh, and I also do not use deodorant. I avoided aluminum in deodorant for years (not easy to do but I usually used that crystal rock stuff which is effective) and would never have dreamed there woudl ever be a day i did not use daily deodorant. But my naturapath has had me on a product I take 2-3x daily which has been key in balancing out my health and solving every ill - even keeps me completely away from any colds or flus for 2 years even though i work in schools and I used to get colds and flus a LOT. Its this. That article, explaining this very simple and very cheap and very powerful therapy, is fair summery of it. As he said, physicians in our country who try to incorporate this therapy get harassed. IMO, this is clearly because no one will ever get rich on this, certainly no pharmaceutical company (and they run our medical system), because you cannot patent it, being natural, and its cheap. Sure, anyone can have (very temporary) adverse effects by taking too big a dose - one just adjusts dose to what one can take. At any rate, once I started on a protocol of this, which solved some serious problems I was aiming at, an unexpected "side effect" is no longer needing deodorant; it seems to kill off the bad smelling skin bacterias. That, perhaps along with the probiotics I take, have apparently eliminated the need for deodorant between showers.

    Which is why Kim's article rings true to me. Though I do not want to give up showering! I like feeling fresh and clean. Though, when we move to my husband's house this summer, I will go from showering to baths. His (old) house has a big old enameled cast-iron bathtub, perfect for a deep soak, a luxury I love. (And its well water, so no more filtering is necessary). Where I live now we have a "water-saver!" tub, since this is a newer house, and that's how the newer tubs are. Nowadays only wealthy folks who can afford high priced whirlpool baths get to have a full soak, while normal folk have to make do with a tub that, when full, won't even cover the top of their foot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    This is interesting.That first article, Maritsa, really made me want to take a shower, too. Maritsa, you are going to suspect me of being EII when you see how into this health stuff i am. Most people find it boring or its just not appropriate conversation topic but since its the topic I will talk about it!

    Kim's article is particularly interesting. I note that the article said that Sodium Laurel Sulfates (SLS) are the very worst. And yes, they are the most common ingredient, and at the top of the list of the shampoos! I have been actively avoiding SLS for some years now. I do not use it in shampoo or soap (I use bars of goats milk soap) so therefore my shampoo/conditioner is more expensive. I use it sparingly (my favorite has a cherry-almond scent and I love it) and I have reduced daily shampooing to about 2x a week, which my hair adjusted to fine in the past couple of years.

    I do shower the rest of me daily, and my shower head has a filter on it to filter out the chlorine which is bad to breathe and not good on your skin. Water-treatment-plant water is just not good for anyone. I use a 10-stage water filter for drinking water (the filter needs changing once a year), and I add to my diet extra minerals 3x a day which makes up for what was stripped from the water in all the processing (and because we ALL need them). I also take a product called 100+ Probiotics, 3x daily right now.

    I used to have notable dry skin problems I was always working on. I always moisturized daily, and went for the natural products, and for the longest time, my go-to moisturizer was cold pressed virgin coconut oil, and that seemed a perfect solution. But then I developed a rash on my face that my naturapath determined was because of the coconut oil. He said yo never use vegetable-based oil, including that coconut oil, so I haven't used that for about 3 years now. Animal fat based things are the only thing we should use on our skin, he says, because it absorbs naturally into the skin. Instead, my coconut oil had been trapped on my skin keeping it from breathing, causing an underlying problem to not resolve itself, thus the rash). So I don't use anything now, most of the time. But recently I wanted to do something extra nice to prepare for my wedding, so I started using this amino acid mix some people take internally that his wife recommended I try, made from animal fats.

    At any rate I have recently noted, now that spring is here, that the dry skin"condition that I thought was normal to me is truly completely all gone. And that's pretty remarkable considering how long I had dry skin. I think its due to all those factors: no SLS's, taking extra probiotics and minerals daily, and also following my Naturapaths recommended diet as close as I can for over two years now which avoids carbs, a big culprit to many ills, and includes fats, even bacon and whole milk and butter! (I try to go for low processed of all of that, no-nitrate bacon, raw or lightly pasteurized milk, cheese from raw milk when I can).

    Oh, and I also do not use deodorant. I avoided aluminum in deodorant for years (not easy to do but I usually used that crystal rock stuff which is effective) and would never have dreamed there woudl ever be a day i did not use daily deodorant. But my naturapath has had me on a product I take 2-3x daily which has been key in balancing out my health and solving every ill - even keeps me completely away from any colds or flus for 2 years even though i work in schools and I used to get colds and flus a LOT. Its this. That article, explaining this very simple and very cheap and very powerful therapy, is fair summery of it. As he said, physicians in our country who try to incorporate this therapy get harassed. IMO, this is clearly because no one will ever get rich on this, certainly no pharmaceutical company (and they run our medical system), because you cannot patent it, being natural, and its cheap. Sure, anyone can have (very temporary) adverse effects by taking too big a dose - one just adjusts dose to what one can take. At any rate, once I started on a protocol of this, which solved some serious problems I was aiming at, an unexpected "side effect" is no longer needing deodorant; it seems to kill off the bad smelling skin bacterias. That, perhaps along with the probiotics I take, have apparently eliminated the need for deodorant between showers.

    Which is why Kim's article rings true to me. Though I do not want to give up showering! I like feeling fresh and clean. Though, when we move to my husband's house this summer, I will go from showering to baths. His (old) house has a big old enameled cast-iron bathtub, perfect for a deep soak, a luxury I love. (And its well water, so no more filtering is necessary). Where I live now we have a "water-saver!" tub, since this is a newer house, and that's how the newer tubs are. Nowadays only wealthy folks who can afford high priced whirlpool baths get to have a full soak, while normal folk have to make do with a tub that, when full, won't even cover the top of their foot!
    Jung did mention that Ne types do tend to over worry about their health thus worrying about impending illnesses. Thanks for the advice on using animal fat as moisturizer. This makes a lot of sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Maritsa I love you but I could never justify not showering once a day. It is so incredibly important to me. I just can't deal with smelling people. I get a little nauseous just thinking about it.

    And what in the hell is a water allergy
    I posted info about it earlier in the thread but here are some real life stories.

    http://www.experienceproject.com/sto...ruritus/329773

    There is also a more severe water allergy than I have and I am grateful I don't have it. The type I have can be maddening but I am on neurontin and it helps but not 100%. What sucks is I love water and even though I shouldn't I take long showers because I feel at peace in the water and lose track of time. I can't even use the pool because of the chlorine.. I just watch others swim from the window. The meds are no match for high levels of chlorine. Ocean water is not so bad if the ecosystem is healthy.

    Edit: I just want to add that the reaction to the water does not start until I am out of the shower or wash my hands (which I do frequently). While I am in the shower there is no burning, stinging or itching. It takes from 2- 5 minutes to start when I get out. There are also varying levels of discomfort and not always the kind that makes you cry. Afterwards I have to dress quickly after lotion or if I don't want to get dressed I wrap myself in very soft smooth sheets for a few minutes to keep the air off my skin. I love my neurontin. It allows me a normal life.
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    I find this thread just hilarious, I have an extremely sensitive skin and am also midly allergic to water and a lot of other stuff to addition.
    But I feel really really uncomfortable if I cannot take my shower at least once a day.
    Also I do not go nuts about the products I use. If I am really bothered by heavy reactions I take anti allergic drugs, basta.
    I AM IN LOVE WITH WATER AND WITH SOAP (without soap, of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDreams View Post
    I find this thread just hilarious, I have an extremely sensitive skin and am also midly allergic to water and a lot of other stuff to addition.
    But I feel really really uncomfortable if I cannot take my shower at least once a day.
    Also I do not go nuts about the products I use. If I am really bothered by heavy reactions I take anti allergic drugs, basta.
    I AM IN LOVE WITH WATER AND WITH SOAP (without soap, of course).
    I am not alone here on the water thing! I wonder if this girl has "Ni eyes"

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