Her gift is singing the most creepy lyrics with a honey tone so sweet you don't even notice what's going on. Mad skills, at least during studio performance
Yeah, her voice is actually really nice. She shows off her voice quite often. I think she could be EIE.
Somewhere in LA, Ariana is proud of her acting
She does impressions of other singers so well...:
From 4:00, only an EIE can do the voice of another EIE (Whitney Houston) so well?
ESE. instructive case - very overt focus on positive emotions +
EIE are not like this at all! They are much more focused on reflection on the past as well as powerful emotions. Female pop star EIEs include Nelly Furtado, SZA, Tove Lo among others
Seems SEI ISFP not EIE
Each essence is a separate glass,
Through which Sun of Being’s Light is passed,
Each tinted fragment sparkles with the Sun,
A thousand colors, but the Light is One.
Jami, 15th c. Persian Poet
Post types & fully individuated before 2012 ...
I like a couple of her songs but she seems kinda boring. Or rather the whole diva thing is played out. She doesn’t make it interesting like the others (Cher is probably my favorite - so funny). The best thing she’s ever done is lick donuts and say she hates America. I think EIE 3 is likely. Mac Miller - whose music is way better - seemed like an Se creative.
I agree with @Vice she is mostly just really boring. I don't think about her much. Something about her being is too lifeless.
I do kinda like her in that Bang Bang song tho lol (but Jessie J is still my favorite):
For typical gay man ness, my favorite female divas are Kylie Minogue, Jessie J, Lady Gaga and Fefe Dobson. And Sheryl Crow/Shania Twain.
not 100% sure on her type, but I dig her music. never get sick of listening to her stuff.
it's like my soul resonates when I hear her voice and lyrics. it's eerie lol
Ariana Grande - ENFP - Balzac
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Her voice is nice but everything about her is fake and annoying. I always wonder if anyone actually know her true self.
I think alpha SF > beta NF for her. Most probably ESE.
So vapid and stupid. Her self-proclaimed righteousness in some interviews where it is so blatantly obviously that she hasn't given the topic more than a flickering moment of thought is my biggest pet peeve. I am ILE and I think that I am her Benefactor (EIE). I do not take her seriously at all and I know that she would stand no "chance" against me so to speak. That's a dumb argument, but I still think my typing is correct. Oh, and SO/SP I guess.
VI isn't everything. My vote is for ESE
She’s gross. She and Britney are ESEs. Nothing about either of them shows that they value Se in any way. They’re avoidant of conflict and show they’re adverse to even thinking of trying to rock the boat. EIE wants Se so badly that they do shit on purpose to rock the boat and when shit hits the fan, they run away screaming.
As for Ariana, I’m still inclined to stick with EIE because of the themes in her music. I don’t think she’s really conflict avoidant in a non Se valuing way (because you can still be mostly conflict avoidant and Se valuing... did you forget about immature/non developed IEIs who are both 1D Se and 1D Te and Fe valuing?) either. She might be sweet but she’s done/said controversial things on purpose like licking donuts and putting them back or saying she hates America or making songs like “God is a woman” or “7 rings”. I can’t picture the standard ESE doing that but even then, my mom is ESE and she starts a lot of shit for someone who doesn’t value Se. ESE would be my secondary type for Ariana, though.
Being conflict avoidant and having low dimensional Se are separate and different things. Se is not aggression, but the direct management and control of aggression. Often times that is exhibited as being firm and assertive. EIE have low dimensional Se which means they don’t understand Se to any length or depth but because it’s valued, and they equate Se to being badass, they end up being conflict seeking. ESE have very reliable Se even though they prefer/default to Si, so seeking out conflict would not be suitable to their purpose. They don’t want to assert themselves if it’s not going to benefit their Si.
Britney and Ariana do not go seeking out controversy and conflict. Britney being financially controlled by her father even now as she’s 40 is evidence of that. She doesn’t want to rock the boat and assert herself that she should be financially independent after all this time. I could come up with at least 10 legal and logical arguments in favor of her side but she don’t care about that. She’s not looking for attorneys to fight for that.
Ariana licking donuts is Fe attention She doesn’t have any issues voicing her displeasure but she also don’t want to have beef with others which is Si preference over Se. An example is when she tweeted she wasn’t happy that Cardi won Grammy and felt like Mac Miller deserved it. She called it “trash.” She clarified that she wasn’t attacking or throwing shade at Cardi, and there’s no beef between them. Ariana values comfort and harmony but she’s actually naturally good at Se when she wants to be, definitely not Si PoLR. Contrast with EIE Nicki who loves talking shit and starting shit. That’s Si PoLR with poorly executed Se.
I'm sure many people will disagree with this- but I think she's ILI. Monotone voice, deadpanned expression. I don't think 'God is a woman' can be evidence of anything as all of Hollywood is generically feminist like that. Any Fe she does feels so put on and like from her agent and never naturally from herself. Most of her music feels like something her agent told her to do to become famous and get Te $$$ rather than anything 'authentic.'
Licking donuts and saying I hate American can just as easily be said to be a Fe polr thing as strong Fe people usually care about their image too much to be so objectively rude like that and 'I hate America' is a Fi sentiment, as it's clearly about attraction/repulsion which is Fi. She uses creative Te to make all this money for herself but she loathes having to play this Fe part to do it. Much of what she does is so generically Gamma adult to me and really, really bland and just blah. She speaks like a boring Gamma even.
The role of ILI is like the status quo of everything in the gamma sense, the 'glue for gammas' and I see her being that way more than anything else.
Don't get where the strong Fe is coming from- any Fe she has is so fake and tacked upon.
Her music has Ni unifying themes/metaphors and direction (even if it's mostly about sex). for example look at her song NASA.
Not to mention the image she's tailoring is completely beta NF victim-challenger/trophy to the tune of "if you really want me, come get it" . it's all about inviting or rather- tempting the listener/viewer in.
She radiates beta NF exclusivity and aristocracy
Her song 7 RIngs and her "rich-looking" (concert/social media) fashion style screams Se HA.
She's provocative in her music, for example titles like "God is a woman" and "break up with your gf, i'm bored" but she knows how to pull it off. IMO the reason why she's managed to stay in the spotlight for so long now is because she knows exactly what is cool, trendy, and classy at the moment and how to incorporate it into her image and newest single in a way that make her seem trendy but still the trendsetter, cooler & cooler than you, but still relatable and not so aloof she comes off as a bitch. That's indicative of high-functioning Fe+Ni/Se (and ignoring Fi.. as BandD pointed out her music feels fake.)
This is from someone who occasionally enjoys her music and has had a general awareness of her presence throughout the past few years. Even if i haven't bothered to dig very deep and familiarize myself with her personality, I'm 200% sure she's EIE.
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Lol, @golden has a mighty point. How much it would take in cash to make EIE's say this? Overall very positivist sort of framing.
"Life is beautiful. Cherish every moment even if you're stressed or hurt or whatnot. There's always tomorrow and it always gets better” .
They would start: Life is a pain. You need to lookout and take it in even backwards... even if it hurts yadda yadda...
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