Weak Se and a question about driving

[gabrielle]

The most romantic dream I ever had was just my boyfriend driving me around everywhere, a lot of people would probably call that victimy or codependent though. Fuck them. People's strength and weaknesses are just sometimes really compatible.

haha I have a daydream fantasy that I have my own full-time driver to take me anywhere I want to go and who looks like Antonio Banderas.

The car would be this


http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...ss-S/model-S63

[blackburry]

Everyone I know is an awful driver.

(including myself).

[SyrupDeGem]

i've overhead the following statement from someone who presumably has Ni as a base function: "i hate driving. whose bright idea it was to put something as fallible as a human being behind a 2 ton construction and allow them to accelerate it up to 70 mph? [local highway speed limit]".

would this be an example of apprehension and anxiety caused by weak Se? at first i thought that they are so nervous about driving due to Se-PoLR, but i've also noticed them spacing out and going into some kind of haze and later attempting to make up for it, which seemed to be strong Ni.

do any of the ILIs or IEIs share this sentiment (also LIIs and EIIs, is this kind of anxiety familiar to you)? does driving at high(er) speeds unsettle you? do/did you feel apprehensive about learning how to drive, owning and operating a car?

I am a pretty good driver but i do get very anxious about driving fast. I am happy as a bunny driving around London streets but I will not drive over 40. This limits me a great deal and I wish I could get past it. I have made several attempts at facing it, including three times going on dual carriageways but I was completely overwhelmed, I over focused on just not crashing and so could not get it together to stay in lane or take the right turnings. It was super dangerous (although I was only doing 40mph) and lots of cars were honking and going crazy, I white knuckled it. Crippling fear. Really I can't understand it as I am generally not a fearful person and have been on plenty road trips around europe in some questionable road worthy vehicles driving high speeds sitting up front without a seat belt. I have been incredibly unlucky in the times I have attempted the dual carriageways, I have had a couple of semi successful attempts at dual carriageways at nigth with a calm friend accompanying me.

It's just terrible. I really wanted to buy a VW camper van and drive my own children around Europe... must. work. on. it.

[Capitalist Pig]

I am happy as a bunny driving around London streets but I will not drive over 40.

Wait, what? Forty? As in kilometers*?

Grandma driver found.






_{* for the benefit of those unfamiliar with metric, 40 km/h = 25 mph.}

[SyrupDeGem]

Wait, what? Forty? As in kilometers*?

Grandma driver found.






_{* for the benefit of those unfamiliar with metric, 40 km/h = 25 mph.}

No cpig, I'm in the uk, it's mph. I drive at and a little above the speed limit. I just don't drive on higher limit roads. I don't mind if it's deserted... then I can drive on any motorway, that would be fine, i would even like to go rally car racing... if the car was fitted with roll bars and there were medics at the side i think i'd be air driving like a mofo.

[Capitalist Pig]

No cpig, I'm in the uk, it's mph.

OH THANK GOD.

You really had me wondering about you for a minute.

[Aylen]

I am partial to speed and sports cars. If I go fast enough I can imagine what it is like to be a tralfamadorian.

The Tralfamadorians can look at all the different moments just that way we can look at a stretch of the Rocky Mountains, for instance. They can see how permanent all the moments are, and they can look at any moment that interests them. It is just an illusion we have here on Earth that one moment follows another one, like beads on a string, and that once a moment is gone it is gone forever.

^ Slaughterhouse-Five

[Becca]

i've overhead the following statement from someone who presumably has Ni as a base function: "i hate driving. whose bright idea it was to put something as fallible as a human being behind a 2 ton construction and allow them to accelerate it up to 70 mph? [local highway speed limit]".

would this be an example of apprehension and anxiety caused by weak Se? at first i thought that they are so nervous about driving due to Se-PoLR, but i've also noticed them spacing out and going into some kind of haze and later attempting to make up for it, which seemed to be strong Ni.

do any of the ILIs or IEIs share this sentiment (also LIIs and EIIs, is this kind of anxiety familiar to you)? does driving at high(er) speeds unsettle you? do/did you feel apprehensive about learning how to drive, owning and operating a car?

Totally! I'm terrified of driving, and I have Se Polr. Always felt scared of it.

[Nevero]

Totally! I'm terrified of driving, and I have Se Polr. Always felt scared of it.

could you explain some more about what exactly it is that scares you?

[Becca]

could you explain some more about what exactly it is that scares you?

Being in a car, driving too fast or too low, cars passing me, etc...

[Beautiful sky]

Some of the best drivers in the world are Se ignoring SLI

Se is a function related to static apprehension of qualities of object, color, texture, etc. How is that related to driving? Not at all. Every driver can see. In fact sometimes Se base types are infamous for getting into accidents because they rush through, push through something ignoring it's consequences and getting into accidents or breaking things because of their actions whereas some other type may be extra cautious, be farsighted and plan ahead or just be more concerned about the lives of others in the car with them.

Se is not related to driving ability.

If you're scared of driving, then it comes from another place altogether.

[Becca]

Some of the best drivers in the world are Se ignoring SLI

Se is a function related to static apprehension of qualities of object, color, texture, etc. How is that related to driving? Not at all. Every driver can see. In fact sometimes Se base types are infamous for getting into accidents because they rush through, push through something ignoring it's consequences and getting into accidents or breaking things because of their actions whereas some other type may be extra cautious, be farsighted and plan ahead or just be more concerned about the lives of others in the car with them.

Se is not related to driving ability.

If you're scared of driving, then it comes from another place altogether.

Ha an SLI I know loves driving and is very good at it

[gabrielle]

Some of the best drivers in the world are Se ignoring SLI

Model A - The ignoring function is strong,


"This is a strong (3D according to Bukalov) but unconscious function. One generally has a good grasp of this function"


Therefore, it follows that someone with Se in 7th, such as your SLI example Maritsa, would have a natural affinity for Se tasks.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I can't drive and have no desire to ever learn to do so

Even if I didn't have "health reasons" as an excuse, I simply could not do it...I'm too fearful of the angry world of driving and generally the inability for me to do things at my own pace and without fear of bumping into other things.

I'm also the sort of person who finds it difficult walking next to a busy road...crossing the road is of course the most problematic thing for me.

[Sol]

Driving much relates to control of physical objects and distance in objective sense - Se. The skill for common conditions is not hard and is trained as any mediocre requirement. Where N types should study some harder, to do more efforts.
Base N have weakest S. Base Ne should have the most problems, as it's weakest and non-valued.

As many other it's the talk about average for types. Not only Jung types may influence and concrete people may have the difference from types trends.
Real skills are goten by a training, anyway. With more training N type may drive better than S.
Among best drivers should be more of S types.

[suedehead]

I'm wondering how a Se-base with anxiety issues, phobias or who's suffered trauma would pan out, since any sort of inadequacy in regards to dealing with practical/real-life situations seems to be associated with weak Se. Perhaps there'd be more of a propensity to push through it regardless.

[Slacker]

I am a bad driver, but I have attention issues, and I basically pay no attention to where I'm going. I accidentally went north today instead of south on the expressway, and I went an embarrassing distance before realizing what I did.

[dandelion]

I’m afraid too. When I’m doing something like walking or biking longer than ~ 15 minutes I tend to space out – in a car it could be dangerous.
I don’t like to make instant decisions.
I don’t like to do several things at once: pedals, steering wheel, mirrors, people on the sidewalk , street light.
It’s easy to drive in a parking lot, when my dad says when someone is coming - I stop the car. I can’t imagine driving (normal road) when something unexpected might happen.

[Trevor]

say a prayer before driving or being driven, works for me

[Aylen]

I have been in two bad accidents where others were in critical condition but I was barely hurt. I was not driving either time. The first accident a boyfriend's drunk brother drove us into a house and the second time a drunk biker was giving me a ride and we hit a curvy road and he lost control we flipped and ended up top down in a ditch. I was pretty young at the time and I was worried they would have to cut my hair because it was very long and when we flipped the back glass broke and my hair got trapped under the roof of the truck. Once the fire department determined the truck was not going to catch fire or explode they proceeded to dig me out.

The whole time they were digging me out they kept reassuring me that my face was not destroyed because I wiped my face and there was blood. All my wounds were superficial but they did have to use some tweezers or something to get the broken glass out of my head and one piece was under my left eye. I have no scars. The guy driving and the other passenger were both hurt. The driver was airlifted to the hospital with many internal injuries. It took him months to recover.

I am not afraid of cars but more apprehensive when others drive. I use my imaginary brakes on the passenger side, at times.

Edit: when the truck started flipping I automatically imagined a bubbled of protection surrounding me. It appears to have worked. It's these type of experiences that make me question why was I spared and others weren't. It used to be a guilt trip for me.

[Hays]

I use my imaginary brakes on the passenger side, at times.

Glad you were barely hurt in those accidents you were involved in.
And Lol, I also at times use imaginary brakes - its a pity they never work.

[ClownsandEntropy]

Me [Driving]: "AAAARRGGHH!"
Passenger: "What's wrong, Clowns!?"
Me: "I'm SO BORED!

[Erk]

What Maritsa? What did you say? EH?

[gabrielle]

Remembered a funny from years ago regarding driving ability. I was at an extended family camping trip we used to do. It was a provincial park, not remote camping. So you'd park your car at the entrance to the camp site. I took the car for some reason, I can't recall and was backing it into the spot it was in before. I ended up bumping a tree. Not very hard and no damage, since I was barely moving. But, I was only a few feet from everyone sitting around the ajoined sites, all of whom went, "Woahhhh"

I got out of the car slightly embarrassed. After enduring the shocked looks and teasing and "How could you manage to hit a huge tree that was RIGHT THERE??!!!" incredulous questioning, I blithely stated, "Hey, I'm usually a really good driver, and parker, but there's no trees in the mall parking lot."
My ENTj brother-in-law laughed so hard.

[krieger]

my guess is that between the two extremes of overconfidence and underconfidence, type mostly determines what *kind* of mistakes a person makes and by what dogmatic criterion s/he self-assesses as a "good driver". something like 90% of drivers identify as above averagely skilled, but my guess is they don't all mean the same thing by it.

[willekeurig]

It took me twice as many lessons as it does for the average person to get my licence. I was super bad in the beginnig, it's basically a miracle they let me pass. Here you need to go back to driving school after two years, to be evaluated etc. Luckily my evaluation teacher was super good (and LSE haha) and after just one lesson I've been driving a million times better than I used to. I'm still bad, but I don't consider myself a serious threat to anyone's safety anymore. My driving style just isn't very ecological and I'm bad at reading the traffic so I try to play it safe. I like driving tho, especially at night when the roads are empty and I can play good music it can be super relaxing.

[Beautiful sky]

Bad driving has to do with lack of attention rushin weather driving conditions recklessness irresponsibility...all kinds of things. I have friends of almost every type and driving accident trends varry. One SEI may be very cautious and another in their head to the point of living in their head. One SEE may pay perfect attention and another be a nurotic rush. I have Se as a conscious function and drive like a grandma being very worried of hurting others and my passangers. I pay full attention but I drive slowly

[consentingadult]

.... but I drive slowly

Those drivers are usually the most dangerous!

[Beautiful sky]

Those drivers are usually the most dangerous!

I live in the heart pf car city...LA and I have a perfect driving recoed with no accidents...those numbers are very telling

[consentingadult]

I live in the heart pf car city...LA and I have a perfect driving recoed with no accidents...those numbers are very telling

That's very typical of slow drivers indeed: they themselves are often not involved in the accidents they cause .... ;-)

[Beautiful sky]

That's very typical of slow drivers indeed: they themselves are often not involved in the accidents they cause .... ;-)

Hahaha

[aixelsyd]

Those drivers are usually the most dangerous!

My father (LSE, fwiw) says the same thing. And there's a lot of truth to it. Drivers who are reckless are bad enough, but most accidents are caused by drivers who aren't paying attention or are set up by going way under the speed limit.

[SyrupDeGem]

My father (LSE, fwiw) says the same thing. And there's a lot of truth to it. Drivers who are reckless are bad enough, but most accidents are caused by drivers who aren't paying attention or are set up by going way under the speed limit.

How does that work? The not paying attention I understand (though I imagine they would/could also be in the accident) but by driving slowly... I don't understand, explain it for me.

[SyrupDeGem]

Because slow drivers disrupt the flow of traffic—if most on a road are driving ~100km/h, while one person insists on driving 80km/h, that's going to create problems.

Yah but I can understand how it could create jams and disrupt flow but how does it make slow drivers so dangerous?

[Kill4Me]

'deep thoughts' with K4M:
you don't gotta be hungry to eat steak.
you don't gotta be thirsty to drink vodka.
you don't gotta be dishonest to count cards.
you don't gotta be pissed off to hate fuck.
you don't gotta be bloodthirsty to spill blood.
you don't gotta be Se to drive well.
'deep thoughts'...with K4M

[Iris]

I think it is a question of anticipation. When you drive a lot, you get used to certain patterns of behavior. Someone behaving outside the normal pattern of behavior is more likely to be hit or cause a wreck because people are anticipating certain behaviors.

My IEE friend is a good driver, but was in an accident two days ago. A driver in front of her pulled into a parking lot and then slowed way down with part of his car still out on a busy highway. There was no one else in front of him in the parking lot. He was just slowing down because he was from out of town and was feeling confused. My friend saw him turning, and saw that the parking lot was empty as it usually was, and she anticipated that he would keep moving since there were no cars in front of him. Since she wasn't expecting him to almost completely stop, she kept on driving at her normal speed and couldn't keep from hitting him when he unexpectedly slowed down.

Those defensive driver courses are boring, but they are useful because they remind you of unexpected things that can happen, and you are more hopefully more cautious because of that.

[darya]

I don't drive because I feel like I would be too absent-minded. I have problems with noticing details and changes in my environment and it takes a lot of effort for me to stay focused on my souroundings.I bump into things, walk in the wrong direction and trip over even when on foot, so I probably shouldn't be behind the wheel

But I have lots of INXX friends who are perfectly normal drivers, so I'm sure it's not quantum physics

[Beautiful sky]

I don't drive because I feel like I would be too absent-minded. I have problems with noticing details and changes in my environment and it takes a lot of effort for me to stay focused on my souroundings.I bump into things, walk in the wrong direction and trip over even when on foot, so I probably shouldn't be behind the wheel

But I have lots of INXX friends who are perfectly normal drivers, so I'm sure it's not quantum physics

Spoken just like an INFp. Have you seen the ESTJ INFJ video?

[darya]

Spoken just like an INFp. Have you seen the ESTJ INFJ video?

Hm, no, I haven't. Why? Can you send me the link?

[Beautiful sky]

Hm, no, I haven't. Why? Can you send me the link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPeDAVDfS10