I'm sure that and would object to having to have N in order to know the mind.
I'm sure that and would object to having to have N in order to know the mind.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
thats part of life's surprises, you discover in the end that you had it all allong, like in wizard of oz. But motivation to learn comes from not having an easy way out.Originally Posted by Logos
-Slava
What a great replacement for a nany
Thanks for this. Looks like I've found my base function.Originally Posted by Slava
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
(So you think you really areare ESFp, FDG? Or is that just sarcasm, etc?)
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Then you have just proven that you don't understand the functions. Sorry.Originally Posted by Slava
Interpersonal relationships shows their colors when two people live together on a day to day basis and sharing responsibilities.
What are you talking about? How did my statement make me seem like I don't understand the function? Is socionics not Ne dirived? It is. Who was the founder? SOMEONE WHO COULD SEE CONCEPTUAL CONSTRUCTS AND MODEL THINGS THAT ARE INTANGIBLE LIKE THE HUMAN MIND.Originally Posted by Rocky
-Slava
What a great replacement for a nany
Because you are completely oblivious to other types besides your own.
On a side note, I really hope the ENTPs I know in RL don't think the same way I've seen some of you on these forums. *shrugs* The ones I know don't bother me, but I wonder if underneath they are as dick-headish as *some* of you seem to be here. It scares me, since they're not like that at all.
What do you not like about my conduct? Because I'm making a lot of posts about ENTp and it happens to be my type? Please explain.Originally Posted by Rocky
-Slava
What a great replacement for a nany
http://www.socionics.us/philosophy/s...c_theory.shtml
I think I agree with Rick in this URL. It seems as though typology would work better as an offset to relationship theory, instead of a theory on its own. Relationship theory has a much better chance of success because its focus is on the subjective relations between people, therefore it does not get as tangled up in trying to conform to objectivity.
Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)
Nope, it's not sarcasm.Originally Posted by UDP II
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
It does kind of make sense... now that I think of it, I got a similar sort of vibe - when you'd state your comments about some something I'd written- from an ESFp used to sit next to in high school.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Not that you're talking about your type, but that you're talking about your type as the only legitamate world view, disregarding the chance that other people are different from you and that *gasp* those different views can still make up what's considered the "mind" (considering that the mind is one of the only few things that the different types actually have in common).Originally Posted by Slava
But since I don't think the "mind" is as simple as you do, I try not to seperate people like that. But, I'll play your game for a second. Let's pretend that the functions are in fact related to the "mind" or "heart" or whatever. Now, you already said that Feeling is related to the heart, while Intuition is related to the mind? That makes NO sense. What is Thinking related to, in that case? If it is not the mind, then what is it? Why don't we get all stereotypical label all the functions; Thinking-mind, Feeling-heart, Sensing-body, Intuition-soul.
But as I said this is a silly game anyway.
Ok I see the problem now, because thats not at all what I was implying. Everyone has a mind, but not everyone thinks about the mind the same way. Some people preffer to see things as chemical imballances and neorons firing. Some preffer to see the mind with chakra models or socionic models which are conceptual models. Some people like to think of the mind as the physical brain. I accept that everyone has a different view, in fact that is what I am saying. But, Ne people are the ones that see the mind as a top down concept, which is what socionics is.Originally Posted by Rocky
Then what exactly are you doing on this forum or learning socionics in general?Originally Posted by Rocky
There are songs with people signing about how the other person is the other ones mind, or heart, duals do things for each other to fill in missing areas. Why is it that ENFp's and ESFp's think that they are stupid, when intelligence has nothing to do with Ti? Why do people with weak Fi feel cold blooded, when Fi has nothing to do with we warm or cold (but its how people feel around you, and how you yourself feel). Why do people talk about breaking someones heart? Because that is the sensation, you entrust them with it in the begining and then they violate the agreement. People put things up for collateral, and sometimes other people walk away with it and people forget how to trust, but it manifests as the loss of an ability. People with Ne you will notice always try to shape their personality and fine tune it, they are aware of changes that took place. While Se people focus more on bodily upgrades and changes. Ne and Ni does involve interfacing with conceptual models including the model of the mind. Just like how Ti will always be the best diagnostics mechanic.Originally Posted by Rocky
Once again its whatever society defined it as. "If I only had a brain"Originally Posted by Rocky
There are no games, just theories, observations, and deductions.Originally Posted by Rocky
P.S.:
How is it that according to you I don't understand what functions are when I go into the following detail explaining them, and Se isnt even my own function!! FYI: I've noticed function in people since I was 3 or 4 years old and had a color system for them ever since, and associated all sorts of common correlation with their behavior. So don't think that memorizing every description/model/text based implies knowing socionics. Socionics was always around and Ne people have been using it since we were monkeys.
Originally Posted by Slava
-Slava
What a great replacement for a nany
OK.Originally Posted by Slava
It depends how you look at it. Some people might see it as limiting... others see it as more expansive.Then what exactly are you doing on this forum or learning socionics in general?Originally Posted by Rocky
EVERYONE does this, not just you.FYI: I've noticed function in people since I was 3 or 4 years old and had a color system for them ever since, and associated all sorts of common correlation with their behavior. So don't think that memorizing every description/model/text based implies knowing socionics. Socionics was always around and Ne people have been using it since we were monkeys.
(I left out a lot due to apathy more then anything else.)
Consciously?Originally Posted by Rocky
-Slava
What a great replacement for a nany
I just want to say that im finding this thread facinating. I can relate to a lot of what your saying Slava it seems to make sense. I could never explain it like you have though
As a child i used to think, wow look at person a) that person looks exactly like so and so. Even when young i made the connection that they probablly acted in similar ways. Thats why i do believe there is basis for VI and when i found out about it i was excited.
pls continue
ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
As I said, yes. Go ask an ISTJ and they'll tell you the same thing.Originally Posted by Slava