Some kind of something : need your help to type a lonely soul

[Reficulris]

But you did not drink before lectures? Not right before you had to do a test? You. Missed. Out.
You did better than me then. I failed at being a student. I did all my learning before I started the year and forgot everything throughout it.

My teachers would actually schedule some classes to be held in a walled garden of a local bar. They'd drink with us (though we never really got drunk within the time of the class). Sodration dialogue really works if you're lubricating with alcohol. It also makes you obnoxious beyond compare and scared all attractive females away. I remember a time where I made a very convincing argument to one of the bartenders that his moral convictions and psychological characteristics were very similar of those of ****** (cold reading + moral philosophy can turn ugly very very soon). I'm pretty sure he spit in all my beers afterwards....


Tests i've always done sober (although i've been to a few with a hangover).

I actually made honors student first year, than flunked 5ects's away from making second year. I'm smart but not wise apparently. Doing multiple studies simultaniously kinda defused my interests a bit. In the end I ended up doing the soul killing but money guarenteeing studies, so instead of a sexy MsA I'm now headed for the dreaded Mba

[The Martrix]

My teachers would actually schedule some classes to be held in a walled garden of a local bar. They'd drink with us (though we never really got drunk within the time of the class). Sodration dialogue really works if you're lubricating with alcohol. It also makes you obnoxious beyond compare and scared all attractive females away. I remember a time where I made a very convincing argument to one of the bartenders that his moral convictions and psychological characteristics were very similar of those of ****** (cold reading + moral philosophy can turn ugly very very soon). I'm pretty sure he spit in all my beers afterwards....


Tests i've always done sober (although i've been to a few with a hangover).

I actually made honors student first year, than flunked 5ects's away from making second year. I'm smart but not wise apparently. Doing multiple studies simultaniously kinda defused my interests a bit. In the end I ended up doing the soul killing but money guarenteeing studies, so instead of a sexy MsA I'm now headed for the dreaded Mba

Is MsA -- Master of Science in Accounting; and is Mba: Master of Business Administration? I'm not too familiar with US academic degrees, being a Brit myself.

[Reficulris]

Is MsA -- Master of Science in Accounting; and is Mba: Master of Business Administration? I'm not too familiar with US academic degrees, being a Brit myself.

I meant MA; Master of Arts / yes master of business administration.

I'm in europe though ^^

[The Martrix]

I meant MA; Master of Arts / yes master of business administration.

I'm in europe though ^^

Oh, I misunderstood, wiki'd and came to completely the wrong conclusion. So much for my deductive powers.

Where in Europe?

[Reficulris]

Oh, I misunderstood, wiki'd and came to completely the wrong conclusion. So much for my deductive powers.

Where in Europe?

No, I typed in the wrong abbreviation and you arrived on the right conclusion based on my info. Nothing wrong with your deductive powers as far as I can see.

I live in Amsterdam.

Have you (LID and you) arrived on a conclusive type yet?:

[The Martrix]

No, I typed in the wrong abbreviation and you arrived on the right conclusion based on my info. Nothing wrong with your deductive powers as far as I can see.

I live in Amsterdam.

Have you (LID and you) arrived on a conclusive type yet?:

However, the conclusion I came to with the help of your mistaken abbreviation was arrived at piecemeal and could hardly have been formulated into a coherent rational argument without google.
Ah, Amsterdam... Been to a ... um ... coffeeshop lately?

No, we're both too rebellious for anything conclusive to be arrived upon without refutation.

[Reficulris]

However, the conclusion I came to with the help of your mistaken abbreviation was arrived at piecemeal and could hardly have been formulated into a coherent rational argument without google.
Ah, Amsterdam... Been to a ... um ... coffeeshop lately?

No, we're both too rebellious for anything conclusive to be arrived upon without refutation.

you do realise that being rebellious and self-refuting is the norm here on this forum? you are actually conforming to us! (hehehe)

[The Martrix]

you do realise that being rebellious and self-refuting is the norm here on this forum? you are actually conforming to us! (hehehe)

Then call me typed!

[The Martrix]

@Reficulris. I'm still not ruling out ILE or EIE-Ni, for me. ILE because I (apparently) use Ne so much. EIE-Ni because I don't feel relaxed or in flow with time. Other than that, it'll have to be IEI.

[Persephone]

I'm not very bright, so you'll have to help me on this one.

You will need to use your brain here, cowboy

But you did not drink before lectures? Not right before you had to do a test? You. Missed. Out.
You did better than me then. I failed at being a student. I did all my learning before I started the year and forgot everything throughout it.

Drinking after lectures...And all night long
I am not that crazy anymore... However, sounds like Friday morning will be complicated

I actually made honors student first year, than flunked 5ects's away from making second year. I'm smart but not wise apparently. Doing multiple studies simultaniously kinda defused my interests a bit. In the end I ended up doing the soul killing but money guarenteeing studies, so instead of a sexy MsA I'm now headed for the dreaded Mba

A-levels with honours here as well.. And the first year too.
And then I happened to raise the inconsistency of a teacher, got a bad grade and lost all the motivation for next 4 years.
Anyhow I confirm, the double sexy MsA (Refi's copyright) does not pay that much. Thinking about a third degree in the logistics or strategy to compensate

Have you (LID and you) arrived on a conclusive type yet?:

Nope, as I said, still gazing as a naked mole rat in a tunnel.
Maybe Meged is right and I am an extremely intoverted extravert?...

[The Martrix]

Nope, as I said, still gazing as a naked mole rat in a tunnel.
Maybe Meged is right and I am an extremely intoverted extravert?...

One would need to ascertain the difference between "introverted exravert" and "extraverted introvert"

[Persephone]

One would need to ascertain the difference between "introverted exravert" and "extraverted introvert"

What do you say to this:

http://www.cvtips.com/career-choice/...ntroverts.html
http://www.cvtips.com/career-choice/...xtroverts.html

[The Martrix]

What do you say to this:

http://www.cvtips.com/career-choice/...ntroverts.html
http://www.cvtips.com/career-choice/...xtroverts.html

Wouldn't "introverted extravert" mean you were extroverted in the beginning but learnt to be more introverted? That's what it seems to be saying.

[Persephone]

Wouldn't "introverted extravert" mean you were extroverted in the beginning but learnt to be more introverted? That's what it seems to be saying.

Extraverted introverts also sound as creepy psychopaths

I would say that I learnt to be more socially adaptive, was a bit more dorky before.
For instance, when I get to much attention, my ears flush... this is by the way the reason why I almost never wear pony tails... and if I am speaking at the moment, I can loose my voice.
But now it happens rarely.

[The Martrix]

Extraverted introverts also sound as creepy psychopaths

I would say that I learnt to be more socially adaptive, was a bit more dorky before.
For instance, when I get to much attention, my ears flush... this is by the way the reason why I almost never wear pony tails... and if I am speaking at the moment, I can loose my voice.
But now it happens rarely.

So you were originally introverted and adapted to become more extroverted. I wouldn't take any notice of the "creepy psychopath" description. It's not valid.

When you get embarrassed, do you mean? My ears get very hot in social situations. It's funny. I've always been told I have such tiny ears.

[Suz]

Looking at your photos Ni-EIE comes to mind. Park might have been close putting you at beta rational.

I dont disagree. I think Ni-ego of some kind fits well.

[Suz]

I meant MA; Master of Arts / yes master of business administration.

I'm in europe though ^^

There's nothing sexy about a Master of Arts, sounds like a useless degree.
MBA is a good practical degree (and fairly easy, from what I hear, except for the finance course). Master of Public Health, Master of Engineering, those actually are useful.

[Kim]

There's nothing sexy about a Master of Arts, sounds like a useless degree.
MBA is a good practical degree (and fairly easy, from what I hear, except for the finance course). Master of Public Health, Master of Engineering, those actually are useful.

My degree is not useless.

[Suz]

To go back to the topic, is Ni that obvious? Must be my stare. People often tell me I look through them
I actually consistently test as INTJ in MBTI.

For me, your Ni comes out a lot in your writing style, actually, and what you've described of yourself.

[The Martrix]

For me, your Ni comes out a lot in your writing style, actually, and what you've described of yourself.

I definitely see a lot of Ni in her writing too. As an Ni-base, myself, I wonder how appears to other types.

[Suz]

My degree is not useless.

sorry Kim, I was speaking out of my butt apparently.

[Reficulris]

There's nothing sexy about a Master of Arts, sounds like a useless degree.
MBA is a good practical degree (and fairly easy, from what I hear, except for the finance course). Master of Public Health, Master of Engineering, those actually are useful.

MA is only useless when looking through the lense of "must make money arrrgghhh" and yeah, I think MA's are sexy (also, i'd have a Bsc. and Ma, so two titles than rather than just the stupid MBA).

MBA is easy as hell, also completely useless.. General management theory...what the fuck are these people smoking.. Im fairly sure MBA's are the sole reason for the detestable state the world's economy is in. Kill half of all middle-management and the world would still function, probably better than it does now.

Finance isn't that hard. just a lot of numbers. Don't like the accounting subjects but they're not HARD, just boring.

I'd say the hardest of all social science is the methodology part, so spss/statistics. Still easy peasy, but it's what most people tank on...

I'd say in terms of general usefullness Philosophy ranks highly in my regards, really prepares you for anything academics can throw at you. Also gives you skills to fuck over any thought system on a whim. Just below that are the hard sciences which are extremely good at money-making and also give you the ability to actually affect the world.

Management theory is less usefull than learning a language or getting to know worlds history, it's really disappointing. I'm fairly sure i'd be competent at MBA exams if I had just finished highschool and worked just on my sense of lack of common sense (really, writing down what people want to hear isn't that hard....).

That said, the hardest thing I ever did was reading heidegger in german, and i'm pretty sure that was fairly useless...

[consentingadult]

MBA is easy as hell, also completely useless.

Useless in which sense? I know a lot of MBAs who make quite a lot of money selling their BS! The only problem is that by now there are too many of them. Diploma-inflation they call this in the Netherlands. But this basically applies to all degrees.

[Reficulris]

Useless in which sense? I know a lot of MBAs who make quite a lot of money selling their BS! The only problem is that by now there are too many of them. Diploma-inflation they call this in the Netherlands. But this basically applies to all degrees.

yeah, they're usefull in swindling people, but still due to said diploma inflation even the credibility it used to buy you is dwindling....
and yeah, there are far to many of us we're like suits...i mean, not only literally, we're like uniform idiots wearing expe...well you get the point...

but you're absolutely right, I only found it useless in the sense that i didn't actually learn anything. It has applications in job hunting and credential wars

Also, damn...there's a lot of psychology students in holland, i mean, it would work out if every dutch person was a nut job and needed one-on-one therapy! (wait).

The technical degrees are actually going up in value right now due to scarcity.

[The Martrix]

and yeah, there are far to many of us we're like suits...i mean, not only literally, we're like uniform idiots wearing expe...well you get the point...

This is why I stopped my education. Too many people doing the same thing can only mean an awful lot of disappointed people.

[Reficulris]

This is why I stopped my education. Too many people doing the same thing can only mean an awful lot of disappointed people.

potentially you could just do it better than the rest.

also, i hope you switched instead of stopped, i mean education IS worthwhile even though a lot of idiots on this forum think otherwise. A paper will still get you further than no paper...(also it'll prove to yourself that you can achieve something).

Just my moralistic tendency to try to motivate people for studies, feel free to disregard if i'm butting in too much ;-)

[The Martrix]

potentially you could just do it better than the rest.

also, i hope you switched instead of stopped, i mean education IS worthwhile even though a lot of idiots on this forum think otherwise. A paper will still get you further than no paper...(also it'll prove to yourself that you can achieve something).

Just my moralistic tendency to try to motivate people for studies, feel free to disregard if i'm butting in too much ;-)

The education system in my country leaves no room for originality. It's hard to distinguish oneself.

I never stopped learning. I just started learning more efficiently, in my time, not in someone else's. I get to study deeper -- PhD level stuff, research papers, etc.

I'm still getting a paper. My paper is just longer than others. Much longer. Novel length.

P.S. Don't worry. You're not butting in.

[Persephone]

So you were originally introverted and adapted to become more extroverted. I wouldn't take any notice of the "creepy psychopath" description. It's not valid.

When you get embarrassed, do you mean? My ears get very hot in social situations. It's funny. I've always been told I have such tiny ears.

If being embarassed is for example when somebody mentions my name in public, then yes.
Nevertheless I can't say that I was completely socially awkward. It's just somehow it became so much easier.
I engage conversations with no difficulty at work now, and consider myself as clear champion of small talk.
Besides, I am pretty sure that nobody will argue my extraversion there.
However, in my previous position it was less easy as I had a lot of random contacts with people I didn't know.
I clearly hate sales and customer service but do like commercial negociations with people I know aka usual contacts.

Compared to your height, your ears are definitely tiny

I dont disagree. I think Ni-ego of some kind fits well.
For me, your Ni comes out a lot in your writing style, actually, and what you've described of yourself.

Thanks for stopping by.
I wonder in which way Ni comes out
I have difficulties in describing myself, not because I do not know who I am...but because I'm painfully seeking for right terms to put in words and there is so much to consider.
It's like a diamond, depending on light and direction, it does not dazzle your eyes in the same way. Sometimes it's dull, sometimes it's rainbow.
Also, my head is a kind of spider webs that are so much connected... you are trapped it one, struggled to get out of it just to end up in another one...A never ending story.
Speaking about Never ending stoooooory, it was one of my favourite movies ever when I was a child.

Anyhow, it leaves IEI, EIE, ILI & LIE.

[The Martrix]

If being embarassed is for example when somebody mentions my name in public, then yes.
Nevertheless I can't say that I was completey socially awkward. It's just somehow it became so much easier.
I engage conversations with no difficulty at work now, and consider myself as clear champion of small talk.
Besides, I am pretty sure that nobody will argue my extraversion there.
However, in my previous position it was less easy as I had a lot of random contacts with people I didn't know.
I clearly hate sales and customer service but do like commercial negociations with people I know aka usual contacts.

From this, I would say you are well-adapted introvert. You're brain is still wired to be introverted. You are still energised by solitude.

Compared to your height, your ears are definitely tiny

Oh. Is it in a bad way?

I wonder in which way Ni comes out
I have difficulties in describing myself, not because I do not know who I am...but because I'm painfully seeking for right terms to put in words and there are so much to consider.
It's like a diamond, depending on light and direction, it does not dazzle your eyes in the same way. Sometimes it's dull, sometimes it's rainbow.
Also, my head is a kind of spider webs that are so much connected... you are trapped it one, struggled to get out of it just to end up in another one...A never ending story.
Speaking about Never ending stoooooory, it was one of my favourite movies ever when I was a child.

This to me says dynamic type, almost certainly Ni.

[Persephone]

MA is only useless when looking through the lense of "must make money arrrgghhh" and yeah, I think MA's are sexy (also, i'd have a Bsc. and Ma, so two titles than rather than just the stupid MBA).

MBA is easy as hell, also completely useless.. General management theory...what the fuck are these people smoking.. Im fairly sure MBA's are the sole reason for the detestable state the world's economy is in. Kill half of all middle-management and the world would still function, probably better than it does now.

Finance isn't that hard. just a lot of numbers. Don't like the accounting subjects but they're not HARD, just boring.

I'd say the hardest of all social science is the methodology part, so spss/statistics. Still easy peasy, but it's what most people tank on...

I'd say in terms of general usefullness Philosophy ranks highly in my regards, really prepares you for anything academics can throw at you. Also gives you skills to fuck over any thought system on a whim. Just below that are the hard sciences which are extremely good at money-making and also give you the ability to actually affect the world.

Management theory is less usefull than learning a language or getting to know worlds history, it's really disappointing. I'm fairly sure i'd be competent at MBA exams if I had just finished highschool and worked just on my sense of lack of common sense (really, writing down what people want to hear isn't that hard....).

That said, the hardest thing I ever did was reading heidegger in german, and i'm pretty sure that was fairly useless...

MBA is definitely more door opening than Master of Arts.
But as far as understood, the difficulty in getting the MBA degree is more in admission tests and in financial support, unless it's your company willing to pay for.

Useless in which sense? I know a lot of MBAs who make quite a lot of money selling their BS! The only problem is that by now there are too many of them. Diploma-inflation they call this in the Netherlands. But this basically applies to all degrees.

It's the same in France. Even a miserable assistant job requires at least a 2 year technical degree (BTS), delirious.
Everything is based on THE paper. And usually it's really hard to switch, such a closed system.
I understand the limit of switching when you are a nurse or something similar... but not hiring somebody as a sales representative just because he's got no sales diploma is just ridiculous.
Diplomas over personal experience and personality.

[The Martrix]

I understand the limit of switching when you are a nurse or something similar... but not hiring somebody as a sales representative just because he's got no sales diploma is just ridiculous.
Diplomas over personal experience and personality.

I agree. It's completely the wrong focus.

[Persephone]

From this, I would say you are well-adapted introvert. You're brain is still wired to be introverted. You are still energised by solitude.

I do like to spend time alone.
I am always internally complaining that I need to breath or have a break from outdoors.
But introverted extraverts also need to spend time alone.

Oh. Is it in a bad way?

Just means you are tall

This to me says dynamic type, almost certainly Ni.

Possibly.

[The Martrix]

I do like to spend time alone.
I am always internally complaining that I need to breath or have a break from outdoors.
But introverted extraverts also need to spend time alone.

What were you like as a child?

Just means you are tall

I'm only 6"0ft. Not so very tall. Compared to some people.

Possibly.

Maybe.

[consentingadult]

The technical degrees are actually going up in value right now due to scarcity.

Actually, they don't: research shows that many professionals with technical degrees lack both the drive (i.e. not being all that interested in material rewards) and the skills to negotiate a higher salary. This explains why, despite the lack of such professionals, salaries in technological sectors are in fact not rising! It also explains by bankers do get pay raises and bonuses all the time, despite there being too many of them: making money is their first priority.

F**K, I DO LOVE SOCIOLOGY!

[Suz]

Useless in which sense? I know a lot of MBAs who make quite a lot of money selling their BS! The only problem is that by now there are too many of them. Diploma-inflation they call this in the Netherlands. But this basically applies to all degrees.

I agree with both you and @Reficulris...
I agree that the education the MBA offers is mostly useless -- a lot of it is just common sense, and it's very possible to succeed in business without an MBA.

However, in today's business job market, applicants with the MBA have an edge, especially if it's from a top ranked school. It shouldn't necessarily be that way, but it is. So from that standpoint an MBA is very useful.

[Creepy-theticalanti]

MA is only useless when looking through the lense of "must make money arrrgghhh" and yeah, I think MA's are sexy (also, i'd have a Bsc. and Ma, so two titles than rather than just the stupid MBA).

I would venture to say most people who aim to graduate college do so in order to make more money in their future. Are there other benefits? Social fun, watching sports teams, etc. Yes. But most people would not be shelling out $100,000 to get in student loan debt just for 'fun'. Money isn't everything, but it's important.

MBA is easy as hell, also completely useless.. General management theory...what the fuck are these people smoking.. Im fairly sure MBA's are the sole reason for the detestable state the world's economy is in. Kill half of all middle-management and the world would still function, probably better than it does now.

It's not middle-management that's the problem, it's the people at the top. Middle-managers are usually some of the hardest working, most humble people I've ever met. The people at the top generally have the most greed and are playing the economy games.

Finance isn't that hard. just a lot of numbers. Don't like the accounting subjects but they're not HARD, just boring.

Do you have a Finance degree? Do you know how to calculate Weighted Average Cost of Capital? Calculate any Betas for stocks recently? Balance any multimillion dollar budgets?

I'd say in terms of general usefullness Philosophy ranks highly in my regards, really prepares you for anything academics can throw at you.

So the purpose of getting college educated, in your book, is to prepare you to get more academic education, to prepare you for... even more academic education? At what point does the student loan debt pay off and translate into a higher wage, if all you're getting is theory, and no education in the real world?

Also gives you skills to fuck over any thought system on a whim.

The world has plenty of people who don't have a college degree capable of doing that .

Just below that are the hard sciences which are extremely good at money-making and also give you the ability to actually affect the world.

YOU have the ability to affect the world. It doesn't matter what college degree you have. Many famous people didn't graduate college. The whole notion that college-education is necessary to be successful in life simply isn't true.

Management theory is less usefull than learning a language or getting to know worlds history, it's really disappointing.

My roommate in college majored in Management theory and also had business experience working for his parents' store for many years, doing everything from stocking shelves to back-office accounting to selling to customers. Many companies wanted to hire him after he graduated, and he had starting offers of $80,000+ to be a head store manager. He turned a couple of those offers down though and ended up going into something even more lucrative, software sales to the federal government.

I'm fairly sure i'd be competent at MBA exams if I had just finished highschool and worked just on my sense of lack of common sense (really, writing down what people want to hear isn't that hard....).

It really doesn't matter too much what happened in your past, only if you let it hold you back. If you really focused everything you had into passing MBA exams, then you can still do it.

[Reficulris]

I would venture to say most people who aim to graduate college do so in order to make more money in their future. Are there other benefits? Social fun, watching sports teams, etc. Yes. But most people would not be shelling out $100,000 to get in student loan debt just for 'fun'. Money isn't everything, but it's important.

im in a country where education is almost free. Id say beyond making money a prime reason for education would be to get I depth understanding of a subject without having to invent the wheel; that is, benefit from others work and learn a lot fast.

It's not middle-management that's the problem, it's the people at the top. Middle-managers are usually some of the hardest working, most humble people I've ever met. The people at the top generally have the most greed and are playing the economy games.

disagree on this part. Yes top managers are greedy, but they serve a definite purpose. Stratic vision and leadership. Mostiddlemanagement I've seen have troubles even explaining what they do. Management layers make up a large part of the bulk of large organizations. I've seen legions get fired without the companies suffering, quite the opposite really. Could be different in us, but here a lot of productivity and flexibility gets lost due to the large ammount of layers between top and workfloor. There is a strong trend towards smaller leaner organizations nowadays.

Do you have a Finance degree? Do you know how to calculate Weighted Average Cost of Capital? Calculate any Betas for stocks recently? Balance any multimillion dollar budgets?

no specialized finance degree but the answer is yes yes and yes.
id never hire me to do it professionally though since I tend to mix up numbers, but I passed the finance exams
To be fair I've only benefitted from net present value calculations in real life since our company is small so a lot of the concepts don't apply to us
the only thing from those courses I never really got was how to make those interesting management controll constructions with put and call options... Somehow I'm not enough of a homo rationales to understand that (it was supposed to be really easy too)

So the purpose of getting college educated, in your book, is to prepare you to get more academic education, to prepare you for... even more academic education? At what point does the student loan debt pay off and translate into a higher wage, if all you're getting is theory, and no education in the real world?

The purpose of education is different for different people. Real world experience is important, but in terms of raw thinking power nothing beats philosophy. Except the beta studies.
there is the distinction that I don't NEED to make money, I'll always have enough, so my perspective is skewed. But I think that money is a tool, it can never be a goal in any meaningful way. So yeah, living an interesting live beats making money and academics is far more challenging and interesting than most haters on education will admit.

The world has plenty of people who don't have a college degree capable of doing that .

Sure... I'd take most of them unprepared and I'd still especially to win. Don't misunderstand me; I'm not saying college education is the only way to get such skills, it's a good way to do so though.

also, there is a difference between Europe and us attitude towards self made men. In Europe to really succeed you'll need general academic skills to speak on an equal level with the top people. Just being successful at making money, unfortunately, doesn't cut it. Old European aristocracy and such
Also, there is a point where money offers deminishing returns and power, political cloud and such gets more important.

YOU have the ability to affect the world. It doesn't matter what college degree you have. Many famous people didn't graduate college. The whole notion that college-education is necessary to be successful in life simply isn't true

.

Oh that is true, it's more likely to make you successful though. For every Steve jobs there is thousands DJA's.
what I meant with "affecting te world" was without proxies. I can make stuff happen sure, but my real touch on reality is minimal.

[QUOTE]My roommate in college majored in Management theory and also had business experience working for his parents' store for many years, doing everything from stocking shelves to back-office accounting to selling to customers. Many companies wanted to hire him after he graduated, and he had starting offers of $80,000+ to be a head store manager. He turned a couple of those offers down though and ended up going into something even more luctive,software sales to the federal government.
[/Q
Well yeah, my point wasn't that business isn't usefull, I just think he would have known the same stuff without the degree. People either get business or they don't. I don't, even though the degree is ludecriously easy.

It really doesn't matter too much what happened in your past, only if you let it hold you back. If you really focused everything you had into passing MBA exams, then you can still do it.

Lolwut?!
i was saying I could have passed anyways even without the education I already got. MBA is stupidly easy compared to my prior studies... Where did you get the idea that I was struggling? I'm a thesis away from graduating


in general we disagree mainly on emphasis. We both think education isn't all powerfull in determining success. However where I see value in general academics and/or beta studies you think MBAs are better. It's a matter of taste, talent, and cultural prerequisites. For me MBA was too easy, too focused on general management (which I think is a scam, you need knowledge of the field rather than general management skills) and lacking in value. Also, the people in my classes where with a few exceptions the most ignorant and boring people I've ever met.

Edit: fuck, iPhone is a bitch, perhaps with a college degree jobs might have made it possible to type on one

[Reficulris]

Actually, they don't: research shows that many professionals with technical degrees lack both the drive (i.e. not being all that interested in material rewards) and the skills to negotiate a higher salary. This explains why, despite the lack of such professionals, salaries in technological sectors are in fact not rising! It also explains by bankers do get pay raises and bonuses all the time, despite there being too many of them: making money is their first priority.

F**K, I DO LOVE SOCIOLOGY!

Ahh right I was more thinking in terms of ease of employment rather than salaries when I mentioned value. The demand is rising but indeed most are not driven or socially skilled enough to exploit that.

[Reficulris]

@Kim @FDG @hkkmr

can we get a detail of the education boo/yeah discussion? No need to clusterfuck lost in dreams thread with this.

[Persephone]

can we get a detail of the education boo/yeah discussion? No need to clusterfuck lost in dreams thread with this.

Don't worry I can also share my space from time to time.