Can someone please type me? S/N crysis

[Olduvai]

How is someone who is irritated, and annoyed by outward displays of emotion Fe valuing?

when did he say that?

[Olduvai]

Just looking at the photos and skimming the thread, my first impression was ILE, ENTp. You look Alpha NT-ish to me, sort of like @Saberstorm, who self-types LII.

so because he looks like Saberstorm, who self-types LII, you say he's ILE? makes sense.

[Saberstorm]

Looking at the pictures,

A)he looks very English ethnically,

B) likely blood type A +, and

C) his finger tip patterns are likely to be arches on his thumbs and ring fingers.

D) He is likely to be very strong in the hands, but this strength is relative not absolute. His hands are stronger than the hands of other people for his size. This makes him "wiry."

E) He enjoys the taste of cabbage. Or at least, it is not very bitter tasting. This applies to all cabbage types, including broccoli and so on.

F) The MOAA (fight or flight neurotransmitters) disposal pathway on his Blood Platelet # 2 indicates rapid disposal of adrenaline from his body tissues.

G) This will make him an excellent flight navigator for the Navy, and will also give him a sanguine (easy going) personality.

H) He has an egg shaped head.

I) The back of his incisors (front teeth) are flat, and

J) he has an extra cusp on his fourth or fifth molars.

K) This physical profile is associated with strong of Ni and Te ...

L) All NTs have strong Te and Ni so he could be ILE / LII / ILI / LIE.

M) He hates Te, so he is an Alpha with weak Fe.

N) He is therefore a INTj.


Here is his full profile: http://www.4yourtype.com/warrior.asp

The system is explained here: http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm

[Olduvai]

I'm honestly not sure if you're just trolling, or if you just didn't logically understand my statement.

I said my first impression of him was ILE, independent of Saberstorm, which I indicated by my 1st sentence. I then wrote a 2nd sentence where I said he looks Alpha NT, similar to the Alpha NT features Saberstorm has. Nowhere in my statement did I indicate that "because" he looked like Saberstorm, that he was either Alpha NT or ILE.

thanks for clearing that up; your statement was confusing

how does one "look Alpha NT" tho?

[Saberstorm]

He is also an Enneagram Six, likely between levels 6 and 4 in development. That accounts for what looks like un-valued weak Fe and his sensor like ways.

here is the e6

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ty...p#.UyXkUyyPKM8

[akjohnny]

pretty gerd dern sure you're SLE

love the shirt, by the way; pretty much every SLE I've known has been excellent at picking out T-shirts

here's your Russian uncle:

SLE? What makes you think that? while thats the type i admire that type because of their resolve, i'm not sure that's me. what makes you see extraverted sensing? that's the trait i am most curious about and have not been sure if i am. I was mostly stuck between Ne or Se as my first or second function

[Olduvai]

SLE? What makes you think that? while thats the type i admire that type because of their resolve, i'm not sure that's me. what makes you see extraverted sensing? that's the trait i am most curious about and have not been sure if i am. I was mostly stuck between Ne or Se as my first or second function

I just know. The way you hold yourself, certain facial features, and the emotions I can perceive in those photos - you "look" very, very similar to someone I've known for over 15 years. He is one of my best friends and I am positive he is SLE. I'm sorry, but I can't really justify it any further than that - typing is an intuitive, feeling-based process.

[akjohnny]

I'm leaning really hard to Ti-SLE here. Beta makes a lot more sense to me for you than Delta, and all of your posts read incredibly similarly to those made by people here who I got typed at, self-type as, and are recognized around these parts as SLE.

interesting. idk how much Se i see in myself, i dont really go around pushing people around to get what i want... (thats my weak Fe) but i definitely think Ti is right. perhaps i have Se but not as a dominant trait? i am basically looking for validation as to whether i am Se or Ne since i think its clear i am Ti dominant.

[akjohnny]

How is someone who is irritated, and annoyed by outward displays of emotion Fe valuing?

because Fe in an inferior position (lower function) makes them considerate to others, but not necessarily a freaken nurse. they don't step on people for no reason, but it's not like they want to hear their life story either.

[akjohnny]

Your first answer made me think objectivist. But probably you gave this objective answer because you didn't want to make it to personal so it doesn't count.

Overall impression is pretty sure ST and not NT. I think Beta fits a bit better than Delta but I can't rule out SLI.

pretty sure my mother is an SLI, which makes communicating with her difficult unless you use and live be Te around her. I've noticed most Te types don't really respect or get along with others who don't put Te as a priority. that said, i don't think i use Te often except when i need to communicate to other Te using folks. i find it exhausting having to use it for long periods.

[Olduvai]

interesting. idk how much Se i see in myself, i dont really go around pushing people around to get what i want... (thats my weak Fe) but i definitely think Ti is right. perhaps i have Se but not as a dominant trait? i am basically looking for validation as to whether i am Se or Ne since i think its clear i am Ti dominant.

Because of this:

so i watched his pit stops and was able to see his pit crew doing wedge adjustments with the tool they use in the read of the car each time and that told me his car wasn't running the way he wanted it to.

Se is all about "watching" and "seeing" things; "Se" is "Explicit Object Statics", after all.

The following part makes so much sense:

my mom who is definitely Te would not have a clue how to think that way and it would take ages with me explaining in a slow, formal manner explaining EACH tiny little step in my thinking because she can't bridge gaps with Ti. She has to go by external logic such as rules and the official way whereas i can just put some quick thinking into it and find an alternate way of figuring something out. i can and do this all the time with all sorts of technical things and i don't bother explaining it to others unless they can think quickly and follow without me having to repeat it 100 times.

"Bridge the gaps"... and bitches be saying "Ti is EXPLICIT, not IMPLICIT"

[akjohnny]

Just looking at the photos and skimming the thread, my first impression was ILE, ENTp. You look Alpha NT-ish to me, sort of like @Saberstorm, who self-types LII.

That makes sense, i have typed as an NT for a while, but that was only because i saw ST types as closed minded. life experiences have shown me that being too Ne is really just a waste of time. i've never really been able to stand people who go on and on about random, useless things that they find entertaining. if something doesn't have a use - even if its just entertainment - i don't like it. i think everything that is putting on a facade like lots of commercials, tv shows or anything else just to try and create "hype" for no reason is total shit. i enjoy tv shows like alaska state troopers or other ones that simply document what is happening without having to make up stuff to make it entertaining.

[anndelise]

Originally Posted by akjohnny
so i watched his pit stops and was able to see his pit crew doing wedge adjustments with the tool they use in the read of the car each time and that told me his car wasn't running the way he wanted it to.

This would be an example of Te.
You're watching the actions of the people (dynamic objects), and what those actions mean in regards to the efficiency of the driver's car engine (also a dynamic object).

This doesn't necessarily mean Te ego, nor particularly Te valuing nor Te strength/weakness.
For example, Ti creatives have strong but unvalued Te.
Fi creatives have weak but valued Te.

[Saberstorm]

is KC doing that explicit / implicit thing again? Ti is the explicit ties between objects. These "ties" become universal generalizations enabling deduction.

On a side note, I went to a Lithuanian Socionics site and had them VI me. They thought I was either SLE or ILE. It was NOT unanimous. Some chose SLI for me. I do not trust them.

[akjohnny]

I just know. The way you hold yourself, certain facial features, and the emotions I can perceive in those photos - you "look" very, very similar to someone I've known for over 15 years. He is one of my best friends and I am positive he is SLE. I'm sorry, but I can't really justify it any further than that - typing is an intuitive, feeling-based process.

thats very interesting.. i've considered it, but after having read the profile, i'm not sure if i am as forceful (Se) as the profile states. how would you confim?

[akjohnny]

This would be an example of Te.
You're watching the actions of the people (dynamic objects), and what those actions mean in regards to the efficiency of the driver's car engine (also a dynamic object).

This doesn't necessarily mean Te ego, nor particularly Te valuing nor Te strength/weakness.
For example, Ti creatives have strong but unvalued Te.
Fi creatives have weak but valued Te.

actually i was thinking of the car and my thought was if the car isn't handling well, its going to need adjustments from the pit crew. so i saw the tool be stuck in the back window to adjust the car. i don't know how you get Te from this, but i'm not going to discredit you either. thanks

[anndelise]

actually i was thinking of the car and my thought was if the car isn't handling well, its going to need adjustments from the pit crew. so i saw the tool be stuck in the back window to adjust the car. i don't know how you get Te from this, but i'm not going to discredit you either. thanks

Ti deals with the specific structure between things. Te deals with the actions of things, and (through Si/Ni) the effectiveness/efficiency of those actions.

"If the car isn't handling well, it's going to need adjustments from the pit crew." Is about the effectiveness of the car's handling.
Watching what the pit crew was doing, and what that meant for the driver's expectations of effectiveness from the car.

Basically, you were processing Te information. But, like I said, that alone doesn't specify type, heh.
I only bring this up because of earlier in the thread the part about Te vs Ti.

[Olduvai]

thats very interesting.. i've considered it, but after having read the profile, i'm not sure if i am as forceful (Se) as the profile states. how would you confim?

I've got some pics and vids of SLE that might be of some use:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...n-Michaels-SLE
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ctures-of-SLEs
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...f-Duck-Calling

If you've ever watched Duck Dynasty, Jase is SLE, Phil is LSI, Si is IEE, and Willie is LSE.

[akjohnny]

I've got some pics and vids of SLE that might be of some use:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...n-Michaels-SLE
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ctures-of-SLEs
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...f-Duck-Calling

If you've ever watched Duck Dynasty, Jase is SLE, Phil is LSI, Si is IEE, and Willie is LSE.

Jillian Michaels is an ESTj, no? definitely get the Te/Fi vibes from her. the pictures didn't do much for me, except the dude with his hands on his hips looks pretty intimidating, i broke it down to figure out why... beards are intimidating by themselves, the angry looking direct eyes are also intimidating and his posture is very direct as well.

the duck calls were pretty cool, although i have to admit if i were to do this i don't know that i'd just be so informal, because 99% of people are going to not have a clue what you're talking about when you use informal or technical mumbo jumbo... then again i've taken years of college classes where i've had to present to an audience so that might explain why i think that way... thanks for your input, its been helpful.

[Olduvai]

Fuck it, here are some pictures of my friend. I tried to find ones that I thought looked similar to the pictures you provided.

And here is a face I often see SLE make (if you look at my thread entitled 'Pictures of SLE' you'll find more examples):

[akjohnny]

He is also an Enneagram Six, likely between levels 6 and 4 in development. That accounts for what looks like un-valued weak Fe and his sensor like ways.

here is the e6

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ty...p#.UyXkUyyPKM8

i appreciate your efforts, but i don't think i'm a 6, i've tested 3 times and came closed to 7 and 3 in that order.

[Saberstorm]

The pit stop incident does not imply anything. It is too brief. It could be the same as a child looking at the car. It could be an old woman. There is nothing there.

Explain to me how you feel about the events in your day that induce moral discomfort. What if something took away or threatened to take away your “inner peace. “

Scenario # 1) You want to go to graduate school. Your brother finds out and says that you are spoiled and do not want to work for a living. You are “nutty” he says. He stands in your doorway and says “You some kind of nutcase?” He says it repeatedly. “You’re nutty!”

Tell me how do you feel about that? Does the confrontation lead you to a place of self-actualization?

Scenario # 2) You own a retail shop, and you want to expand your business. You approach a shopping mall and gain a meeting with the landlord. He says he can only give you a space by one of the entrances from the parking lot. You explain to him that you would prefer a location at a juncture between the larger hallways that lead to the three anchor department stores in the mall. Then your store will get better exposer. The landlord says “no” because he takes 15% of the gross. He wants stores with high gross sales. He then folds his arms and looks at you for three seconds unblinking. “We make a good gross” you say. He says “no, you don’t” and then picks up a newspaper and begins reading it, ignoring you as you try again to explain that you have good gross sales. He continues reading the newspaper and then informs you where the exit is. What do you do?

Tell me how do you feel about this fight? Do you look forwards to this type of day? Does winning this confrontation lead you to a place of special serenity; does this argument give you the opportunity to find self-actualization in victory?

[kadda1212]

ST-type. Definitely. It's hard to put you into a quadra based on your ethical functions, they are both underdeveloped. I can't see much Fe based on VI from your photos - then again it looks like the sun is blinding you. xD
But I strongly get the impression, you're an Se-valuer, especially because you posted that Armin van Buuren video in the other thread and you seem to be really enjoying outdoors and nature. I think, beta ST. LSI is a possibility, but you could also be SLE-Ti subtype.

[akjohnny]

ST-type. Definitely. It's hard to put you into a quadra based on your ethical functions, they are both underdeveloped. I can't see much Fe based on VI from your photos - then again it looks like the sun is blinding you. xD
But I strongly get the impression, you're an Se-valuer, especially because you posted that Armin van Buuren video in the other thread and you seem to be really enjoying outdoors and nature. I think, beta ST. LSI is a possibility, but you could also be SLE-Ti subtype.

i think my Fe has been developed somewhat, i just don't plain value it. i see it as sort of the basis for how i treat others (fairly), but its just not real high on my list where i want to go around pushing it on people.

thanks for your input on the video and armin van buuren, appreciate it.
Also was blinded by the sun, yes.

[akjohnny]

The pit stop incident does not imply anything. It is too brief. It could be the same as a child looking at the car. It could be an old woman. There is nothing there.

Explain to me how you feel about the events in your day that induce moral discomfort. What if something took away or threatened to take away your “inner peace. “

Scenario # 1) You want to go to graduate school. Your brother finds out and says that you are spoiled and do not want to work for a living. You are “nutty” he says. He stands in your doorway and says “You some kind of nutcase?” He says it repeatedly. “You’re nutty!”

Tell me how do you feel about that? Does the confrontation lead you to a place of self-actualization?

Scenario # 2) You own a retail shop, and you want to expand your business. You approach a shopping mall and gain a meeting with the landlord. He says he can only give you a space by one of the entrances from the parking lot. You explain to him that you would prefer a location at a juncture between the larger hallways that lead to the three anchor department stores in the mall. Then your store will get better exposer. The landlord says “no” because he takes 15% of the gross. He wants stores with high gross sales. He then folds his arms and looks at you for three seconds unblinking. “We make a good gross” you say. He says “no, you don’t” and then picks up a newspaper and begins reading it, ignoring you as you try again to explain that you have good gross sales. He continues reading the newspaper and then informs you where the exit is. What do you do?

Tell me how do you feel about this fight? Do you look forwards to this type of day? Does winning this confrontation lead you to a place of special serenity; does this argument give you the opportunity to find self-actualization in victory?

i tend to avoid people like this, i find it easier to deal with people who don't have something to prove... but if i must, i will be very direct and push back as much as they push.

the first situation, i'd brush him off. i don't have any brothers or sisters so its hard for me to imagine this one.

second one, i'm not sure. usually i try to appeal to reason with people and if they can't, i just write them off as unreasonable and will not respect them anymore.

morally, usually i tend to, like i said, write things off because i can't change unreasonable people. but when i think that others are being wronged, there are occasions i will be much more rigid and not willing to let things go. i see that as my Fe kicking in to prevent wrong from coming to those who i think shouldn't be wronged.

[akjohnny]

Kenneth i appreciate your response, but i dont think i have the attitude of your friend. my impression is that he seems to enjoy being offensive and i usually am in control of myself much more than that. i very often don't show my feelings to anyone unless i feel they are worth me spending the time talking to them about it... your friend seems to just not care.

[Olduvai]

Kenneth i appreciate your response, but i dont think i have the attitude of your friend. my impression is that he seems to enjoy being offensive and i usually am in control of myself much more than that. i very often don't show my feelings to anyone unless i feel they are worth me spending the time talking to them about it... your friend seems to just not care.

I'm impressed that you were able to infer that from those pictures. It's true, and I think it's because of his dad, who is homosexual (and still struggling to come to grips with it) and who can be very emotionally manipulative and moralizing; I think his dad is actually ESI (the "supervisor" of SLE). As a result, my poor friend had kind of a rough childhood. I live right down the street from him, and I remember this one night when I was standing outside smoking a cigarette, I saw him come walking down the street, crying. When I asked him what was wrong, he said, "my dad's an asshole, dude; it's like he can read my mind or something".

[Zero11]

M) He hates Te, so he is an Alpha with weak Fe.

N) He is therefore a INTj.

M) well Te hate is more of a Fe-ego thing because it occupies the same position

N) No he is INFp like you.

[Olduvai]

N) No he is INFp like you.

I agree that Saberstorm is IEI, but I disagree that akjohnny is, too.

[akjohnny]

I'm impressed that you were able to infer that from those pictures. It's true, and I think it's because of his dad, who is homosexual (and still struggling to come to grips with it) and who can be very emotionally manipulative and moralizing; I think his dad is actually ESI (the "supervisor" of SLE). As a result, my poor friend had kind of a rough childhood. I live right down the street from him, and I remember this one night when I was standing outside smoking a cigarette, I saw him come walking down the street, crying. When I asked him what was wrong, he said, "my dad's an asshole, dude; it's like he can read my mind or something".

yeah thats messed up. just gotta get away from those evil bad type combinations. i think the way to be happy is to structure your life where the primary people you interact with (as much as you can control) are types you can handle. just my opinion

[akjohnny]

M) well Te hate is more of a Fe-ego thing because it occupies the same position

N) No he is INFp like you.

i think extraverted thinking, just like any extraverted function, is offensive to the introverted function users. I for one know many close Si dominant types who are totally put off by Se doms. and Fi dominants are uncomfortable around Fe... these are my perspectives. I'm not saying its conflicting or anything, but it seems like introverted functions prefer to let things be passive and subjective and those same functions when extraverted are insensitive and trample all over the introverted functions. Fe > Fi, Te > Ti, etc.

[akjohnny]

i took the enneagram with instinctual variants test and scored Type 5 SO. what does that correlate to in socionics?

[Satan]

i took the enneagram with instinctual variants test and scored Type 5 SO. what does that correlate to in socionics?

intj.

[IBTL]

I see SLI.

Supposedly SLI's will have a titled smile, and your smile looks titled in the picture with you wearing an olive green shirt.

You look athletic, too.

[akjohnny]

I see SLI.

Supposedly SLI's will have a titled smile, and your smile looks titled in the picture with you wearing an olive green shirt.

You look athletic, too.

damnit you just confused me again, thought i had it down, lol.

i like to try and stay healthy somewhat and exercise and i am very coordinated. it really bothers me when other people don't have good control over their body.

are you saying SLI's are athletic? i've always noticed Si users as more focused on their internal health and not being very coordinated with the external world. all this V.I. business is not really going anywhere lol

[IBTL]

damnit you just confused me again, thought i had it down, lol.

i like to try and stay healthy somewhat and exercise and i am very coordinated. it really bothers me when other people don't have good control over their body.

are you saying SLI's are athletic? i've always noticed Si users as more focused on their internal health and not being very coordinated with the external world. all this V.I. business is not really going anywhere lol

It shouldn't bother you! Just feel sorry for those of us who are physically retarded...

I find that SLI's are very athletic! My brother is SLI, and he was a black belt in Taekwondo.

The hidden agenda for INTj (TiNeSiFe) and INFj (FiNeSiTe) is "to be healthy", which is essentially their third function (Si).

[Olduvai]

i think the way to be happy is to structure your life where the primary people you interact with (as much as you can control) are types you can handle. just my opinion

completely agree

also, don't listen to what lifer is saying, he's obviously clueless.

[akjohnny]

completely agree

also, don't listen to what lifer is saying, he's obviously clueless.

i lol'd

[IBTL]

completely agree

also, don't listen to what lifer is saying, he's obviously clueless.

I'm a "she"!

But whatevs...

[Zero11]

i think extraverted thinking, just like any extraverted function, is offensive to the introverted function users. I for one know many close Si dominant types who are totally put off by Se doms. and Fi dominants are uncomfortable around Fe... these are my perspectives. I'm not saying its conflicting or anything, but it seems like introverted functions prefer to let things be passive and subjective and those same functions when extraverted are insensitive and trample all over the introverted functions. Fe > Fi, Te > Ti, etc.

well thats the love/hate thing Ne/Ni Fe/Fi Te/Ti can be as good as it can be bad.