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    how do you think being male could affect your self-typing because of how you view yourself?

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    You are part of my tribe...IEI,. confirmed and final! haha who do I sound like?

    Hint: the eyes say it all.

    It is interesting when you say, when you're hungry you're really hungry and when you're thirsty... I do that too. It shows in a way you are not paying attention until you reach the point that you have to.

    I have a video of me speaking in a similar way. It is old but I may show you.

    Type 4w3 maybe. You seem to want intensity in relationships so check out sx first not sure if sx/so .

    http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-fo...n-4w3-4w5.html

    To me you are clearly a romantic...that's sweet...you say you want a partner stronger than you? I relate to that but I tend to be too controlling of my own life so I want someone who knows how to take control, in some areas, sometimes. Someone who inspires me to act. I am very much an introvert, my energy comes from within and too much social drains me. I do not deal well with everyday activities. I find cooking and housework mundane so thankfully I have people who do those things for me. I am in a position where I do not have to worry about making money and survival issues so I am not sure how my sx/sp comes off to others. I do not enjoy very
    social events. Unless music is involved. I like small groups and I have very few people I consider friends. Lots of acquaintances though. I keep a bubbles around me, when I am in public but I let my shield down sometimes. I usually do not want to be in the spotlight though but it happens then I feel like disappearing.



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    i only watched a few minutes but demeanor and body language say Ip temperament to me, not ESI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio View Post
    how do you think being male could affect your self-typing because of how you view yourself?
    It could see it being a factor, although I don't really care about being conventionally masculine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylen View Post
    You are part of my tribe...IEI,. confirmed and final! haha who do I sound like?

    Hint: the eyes say it all.

    It is interesting when you say, when you're hungry you're really hungry and when you're thirsty... I do that too. It shows in a way you are not paying attention until you reach the point that you have to.

    I have a video of me speaking in a similar way. It is old but I may show you.

    Type 4w3 maybe. You seem to want intensity in relationships so check out sx first not sure if sx/so .

    http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-fo...n-4w3-4w5.html

    To me you are clearly a romantic...that's sweet...you say you want a partner stronger than you? I relate to that but I tend to be too controlling of my own life so I want someone who knows how to take control, in some areas, sometimes. Someone who inspires me to act. I am very much an introvert, my energy comes from within and too much social drains me. I do not deal well with everyday activities. I find cooking and housework mundane so thankfully I have people who do those things for me. I am in a position where I do not have to worry about making money and survival issues so I am not sure how my sx/sp comes off to others. I do not enjoy very
    social events. Unless music is involved. I like small groups and I have very few people I consider friends. Lots of acquaintances though. I keep a bubbles around me, when I am in public but I let my shield down sometimes. I usually do not want to be in the spotlight though but it happens then I feel like disappearing.



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    Ha, interesting. Aren't I a bit 'soft' for Beta though? Although my fantasies do have subtle Beta NF/Judicious vibes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    Ha, interesting. Aren't I a bit 'soft' for Beta though? Although my fantasies do have subtle Beta NF/Judicious vibes..
    I am about as soft as they come. I will send you a pm to explain that in a bit. Some even feel I am fragile. I kinda like that for some reason. I see why they feel that for sure.

    Edit: Aren't you still pretty young,...did u say 19? I don't know if I read that or just thought... It seems like it is something you grow into anyway.

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    I thought SEI fwiw although I think it's interesting you're more deadpan and un-emotive than really anyone I know, let alone SEIs. Which is why I asked what I asked.

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    I see nothing wrong with the SEI typing, Si subtype. Definitely merry vs serious. XiFe. You mentioned difficutly with creating your own theories and such, NiFe are pretty good darned at this. (They have an abstract base and hidden agenda.)

    Judicious rather than decisive. A kind of laid back sort of mode.

    On a personal note, you have a similar feel as my bf, though he doesn't talk as much as you did in the video. But he is as "deadpan and unemotive" as you were, in public. With a more easy smile and joking demeanor with those close to him. I actually didn't see you as deadpan and unemotive, but as Radio said, and some people might judge it as that. I see it as a softer, more internal feel of a person, and it's something that draws me in to want to get to know them more. (Am not hitting on you!) this was one of the things that drew me to richard (my bf). He doesn't emote all over the place, and doesn't particularly wear his heart on his sleeve. But the emotions are definitely there. You two have a soothing kind of feel for me, rather than the intensity of IEIs.

    I would go into more details if i had the written words to quote, but neither of us wants to transcribe 15 min of video, heh.

    Good luck in your type search, and your time on this forum.
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    While I don't mean to oppose IEI typing as such, cause in the end what matters is for you to identify with the type and not for others to view you one way or another... I have to say that what @Aylen wrote in post #4 is not strictly "reserved" for IEIs... 80-90% is true of me, too and I'm SEI-Si.
    There's this stereotype that if you love cooking and cleaning the house you're SEI (well - then I'm not SEI if this is the condition ) and if you're deep and imaginative - you're IEI. But it is just that - a stereotype.
    Funnily enough the eyes were what made me think "not IEI", lol - so I guess it's subjective. I was in a video chat some time ago and people typed me IEI from VI (which I'm not), so... what I'm trying to say is that it's not that easy to type from VI. I actually thought you have eyes in a similar shape to mine (kind of almond shaped) - so there you go - we're all somehow biased in our perception.

    Don't buy into what we all say, if you feel closer to IEI, SEI or ESI - then read more about it and maybe it is your type. Sure, if everyone said you VI like a IEE, I'd reconsider self-typing's accuracy - but it's not the case here and the types in question (from your previous posts/threads) are all artistic, "deep", imaginative and introverted (even though the stereotypes say IEI-dreamer, SEI-cook, ESI-musician)... just felt like sharing this

    oh, and P.S.
     
    My husband said that my body speech is similar to hers (and that I move around a bit less):


    which shocked me, cause he said it after I showed him this video for VI purposes and earlier that day we had a conversation where I was sharing a lot of my feelings (and he told me he based his VI comparison on me during that conversation) and I felt I'd look more like this regarding body speech (which he said I most definitely didn't):



    He also said I'm a bit more "mobile" than her, but there's definitely a similarity in body speech (or lack thereof):


    SEI-Fe would probably be more like Kirsten Dunst, so there's quite a difference in body speech between SEIs alone (and we tend to look less animated than we feel inside - especially in public, which @anndelise pointed out)
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    Damn, you're slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    You mentioned difficutly with creating your own theories and such,
    @Suedehead the above is also sth that caught my attention.

    NiFe are pretty good darned at this. (They have an abstract base and hidden agenda.)
    IEIs are better than SEIs in creating theories (some of the theories are strikingly accurate when applied to real life and some are strikingly unrealistic/paranoid). But one thing for sure - they can really build theories. I already mentioned it here so I guess I'm going in circles repeating myself, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    Thought I'd make one just to be sure.. @aisa @Aylen @AshSun @Reficulris





    I apologize if it's incoherent at certain points..
    I tend to think you´re not Gamma SF. However you have a strange combo of softness, dreaminess and intensity which also makes me wonder about the Beta Quadra. Or are you Sx/sp as stack by any chance. ("love is cherishing someone to the point of obsession" huh). All I can say is that you don´t resemble any SEIs I know ... physically (as features and body language), or behaviorally. I may not know too many SEIs though ... just saying. Have you looked into EII maybe? Or you don´t resonate with Delta NF values as all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    I tend to think you´re not Gamma SF. However you have a strange combo of softness, dreaminess and intensity which also makes me wonder about the Beta Quadra. Or are you Sx/sp as stack by any chance. ("love is cherishing someone to the point of obsession" huh). All I can say is that you don´t resemble any SEIs I know ... physically (as features and body language), or behaviorally. I may not know too many SEIs though ... just saying. Have you looked into EII maybe? Or you don´t resonate with Delta NF values as all.
    The bolded is what doesn't entirely resonate with SEI.

    The quoted part is intense and what I heard from an IEI male in the past. But regarding body language the IEI was more expressive (although that was IEI-Fe, I guess IEI-Ni would be less expressive) and the body speech in OP resembles mine (@Suedehead is a bit more static than me, but only a bit).

    The EII female I know well is more static than me and the more concise writing style (comparing Suedehead to other SEIs here (not neccessesarily just to myself as I'm a terrible online blabber) would make sense for EII. The shape of face would also be similar to EIIs I've met irl (chin).

    But this is speculation based largely on VI.
    Then again - when posting the video - speculation was what you were looking for, right Suedehead?

    My current guess would be SEI-SI or EII-Fi > IEI-Ni > ESI-Fi.

    P.S. I think EII stereotypes are also just stereotypes. I don't think all EIIs lack contact with reality and just "sit on unicorns" as I've sometimes seen implied in this forum.

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    One thing to ask is what he meant by obsession. I was under the impression that that was the closest word he could think of to describe what he was thinking of, but that he wasn't fully satisfied with it.

    I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that he was trying to imply some kind of bondedness. Not a half assed one, but that he puts his whole self into the relationship. Later he even talks of it would be just his significant other and his hobbies, that he didn't need anything else. (Something to that effect.) Which isn't too surprising coming from an SEI.

    He didn't have that 'we'd be a team and we're going to rule the world together' kind of intensity to when he was describing his desired relationship. But something more comfortable, homely.

    Not that I like doing a bunch of personal comparisons, but Richard (SiFe) is the most comfortably attentive bf I have ever had. I've never had to worry about him turning his sights on to another girl. He's never hit my jealousy triggers, and rarely my insecurity triggers (never on purpose and usually just my neurotic Ne e6 gone wild). He's a homebody who is quite happy and satisfied with having me and his few hobbies. I've often joked on this forum that our relationship is like an obsession. I am more distant though, and my wanderlust has nearly interferred a couple of times. I've always had a difficulty putting so much of my self into a relationship. But considering how neurotic i was when we met, his steadfastness in his feelings and attentions to me have helped tame a lot of that.

    My SiFe step-brother is similar towards his gf. And this from a kid who'd been severely abused and chemically damaged. He had a hard time with work and friendships until he got a gf, and she got pregnant. As soon as he found out she was pregnant, he got a steady job, a steady home for her and his kid, and is an attentive father and husband. It was like a total turn-around that surprised everyone. Duty never worked on him, but love and devotion did.

    (Richard would have been an awesome father, but thankfully he didn't want any kids of his own and was happy to help me while i helped my one.)


    As for the physical features and body language, i didn't see the OP's as being unsual to SiFe. Particularly SiFe males.
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    I'm some sort of middle ground between the ISFp's (stereotypical) earthiness and internal mildness, and the INFp's intensity/yearning, pretty much. I basically alternate between the two attitudes depending on my mood.

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    In what types of things/situations are you intense/grandiose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    In what types of things/situations are you intense/grandiose?
    Intensity is mainly something that I experience internally...through fantasy and daydreams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    In what types of things/situations are you intense/grandiose?
    now Im clearly speaking for myself replying to a question directed at smn else but my answer would be - "in my head" lol.. and it's pretty much the vibe I got from the things @Suedehead was writing (tbh when I think of the two IEIs I knew well irl - none of them would have admitted out loud to feeling "grandiose" - but it was sometimes becoming a bit transparent in their behaviour at certain situations. Obviously Idk if all IEIs would act the same though).

    edit: judging by the above post, I wasn't too far off with my interpretation ...was I?

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    Not that I am trying to push you towards a type, but I still don't see that contradicting SiFe. Though i guess it might depend on the kinds of things you daydream and fantasize about. If you were to say something along the lines of how you intensely study a couple of subjects and how you have some (grandiose) scheme of how together they answer life, the universe, and everything...that would be a different story.
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    hmm.. from my observations, slight preferences:
    IEI: mystery of life and "image" of love > real life love
    SEI: real life love > mystery of life and "image" of love
    but both types are interested in both mystery of life and "image" of love AND real life love

    What do you think?

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    i dunno...i haven't been able to get any of the XiFe to tell me about their fantasies and daydreams. Every once in a while richard will let some hint out, but when i ask him about it it's like it all went poof as soon as words were spoken. So i sit here, waiting for those little crumbs.
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    Heh, I wouldn't say deadpan or unemotional. You're obviously not gushy, but micro expressions are more exagerated than I normally see in males. There's the pronouncement of expresions which is very very short but very visible. Look at eyemovement when you think, the small cues of "softening" or "expressing doubt".

    I would say the intensity thing would be bascially apply too all introverted ethicals so no help as for SEI v.s. IEI there. FWIW, I don't see IEI, with them I always asume their going to break and than find out they're a lot tougher (and sometimes even crueler) than they appear. You seem to radiate genuine earthy "stability" in a way that says "i'm deep, but it's not break the shell and fall into an emotional abyss".

    I have troubles identifying SEI's so not saying you are one but I'd go for SEI > IEI.
    ESI's kinda always have a vibe with me that says "I have to babysit you but i'd rather go and be with my friends, I'll tolerate you because I have to but I'll be strict to make sure you're not enjoying this too much". I don't get that from you either. So SEI > ESI too.

    EII could be too, I'm not overwhelmed by the sensing cues, nor do I see obvious indicators of Intuition.

    My general idea would be either SEI or EII, do you have strong preferences for rationality or irrationality?

    As a disclaimer; i'm not a typology expert, maybe ask @hkkmr @silke @consentingadult @Kim @woofwoofl for their insights, they've earned the notches in their belts. Also, if you're a SEI hkkmr is going to turn you into a female and date the shit out of you! (shit, why didn't I think of that!?)

    Oh, Oh, apparently i'm ILE so based on how mystifying my communication style is to you you could make some guesses towards being SEI or not :-)

    oh oh oh oh!

    Alpha Quadra questionaire:

    Boardgames, hot or not!?

    The prospect of strip-twister excites you or disgusts you (ok ok, not sure this is alpha at all, but its something I ask people)

    How do you feel about career tigers and paper pushers (this is ofc a totally non-laden question without biass ;-) )

    You organise a party, would you rather have fancy food and perfectly decorated table or a lot of (still nice but not as fancy) food and foodfights?

    In highschool you were a (cross what doesn't apply) Nerd, Emo, Geek, Jock, Relifreak, Artgeek, Swimclub-member, soccer/football fanatic/player, Carjock, Criminal?

    In highschool were you eaten or did you eat?

    You go to a social event, it's networking; cheap wine, small snacks, terrible music and a lot of business talk, what do you do (you can change the premises as much as you like).

    Your gf/bf watches anime, plays computergames, reads fantasy novels and has small round glasses. Aside from the last thing (which is obviously hot) would this bother you?

    Would you work for the money even if it was completely and utterly boring or in an environment that required a lot of change in you (as in, prentence)

    If not, how much money would it take to get you to do this for a year?

    Do you have plans for taking over the world by cheer tactical genious, and/or do you want a partner who has such ambitions? (no, this is not beta, this is Alpha!)

    In your beta NF fantasies (and come-on, who doesn't have beta nf fantasies!) do you think this would be awesome for occasions or do you wish for full-blown 50shades of gray squared2 style of romance?

    In the above fantasies, do you want to be raped? (if yes, you're IEI ;-) )

    if you'd had to chose a sport from the following: Soccer/football, badminton duals, paragliding, fencing, chess what would it be?

    Which type is coolest (which one would you be if you could pick one from behind the veil of ignorance?) ((mine is IEE))

    Your sister in law asks you in february what your plans are in december (trying to book you for the boring christmas party at their place) what is your reaction?

    A friend calls you at 22.28 and asks you if you're coming to the city to go out. It's only a 20 minute trip and the shit starts around 23.00 anyway. You are in your pyama's though, unshaven and most of your clothing is dirty. How and at what time do you show up, if at all?

    How often do you have to reschedule appointments due to double booking and or stupid planning? How long ahead is your agenda filled? If the agenda is filled all the way, how much of it is filled with silly drawings and/or portraits of attractive people from the opposite sex?

    How often do you catch yourself humming to yourself in public? How often do others notice? How often do you bump into people because you're not looking through your eyes but through your dick err third eye? (this is the question that determines wether you're sensing or intuitive ;-) )

    Do people think you're crazy? If so, do you think this is because the world is crazy or are they right? if people don't think you're crazy, pretend they are thinking you are crazy. If you can't do this you're not beta nf.

    that's it for now

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    Microexpressions, that's the word. Thanks @Reficulris.
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    Agree with @lungs about IP temperament. You appear to me to be a caregiver rather than a victim, so I would narrow your typing down to SEI or SLI. You spoke of appreciating inspiration from a partner, which would be an ILE or IEE dual. At the end of your video you mentioned that you could not make judgements about society, but rather the individuals that make up society. Which struck me as democratic rather than aristocratic, which would indicate SEI.
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    But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril.
    You shall see things, wonderful to tell. You shall see a... cow... on the roof of a cotton house. And, oh, so many startlements.
    I cannot tell you how long this road shall be, but fear not the ob-stacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    i dunno...i haven't been able to get any of the XiFe to tell me about their fantasies and daydreams. Every once in a while richard will let some hint out, but when i ask him about it it's like it all went poof as soon as words were spoken. So i sit here, waiting for those little crumbs.
    Don't know if this helps or is a "crumb" you were looking for... but for what it's worth I think it's most important for a SEI to feel totally accepted when sharing our ideals (even if sometimes impractical). There's this fear of pouring one's soul out and being labeled as overly emotional, pointless dreamer etc.
    I can only imagine that it could be even more difficult for a male SEI to share his soul, cause males aren't socially expected to have such romantic notions and ideas... (?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    Heh, I wouldn't say deadpan or unemotional. You're obviously not gushy, but micro expressions are more exagerated than I normally see in males. There's the pronouncement of expresions which is very very short but very visible. Look at eyemovement when you think, the small cues of "softening" or "expressing doubt".

    I would say the intensity thing would be bascially apply too all introverted ethicals so no help as for SEI v.s. IEI there. FWIW, I don't see IEI, with them I always asume their going to break and than find out they're a lot tougher (and sometimes even crueler) than they appear. You seem to radiate genuine earthy "stability" in a way that says "i'm deep, but it's not break the shell and fall into an emotional abyss".

    I have troubles identifying SEI's so not saying you are one but I'd go for SEI > IEI.
    ESI's kinda always have a vibe with me that says "I have to babysit you but i'd rather go and be with my friends, I'll tolerate you because I have to but I'll be strict to make sure you're not enjoying this too much". I don't get that from you either. So SEI > ESI too.

    EII could be too, I'm not overwhelmed by the sensing cues, nor do I see obvious indicators of Intuition.

    My general idea would be either SEI or EII, do you have strong preferences for rationality or irrationality?

    As a disclaimer; i'm not a typology expert, maybe ask @hkkmr @silke @consentingadult @Kim @woofwoofl for their insights, they've earned the notches in their belts. Also, if you're a SEI hkkmr is going to turn you into a female and date the shit out of you! (shit, why didn't I think of that!?)

    Oh, Oh, apparently i'm ILE so based on how mystifying my communication style is to you you could make some guesses towards being SEI or not :-)

    oh oh oh oh!

    Alpha Quadra questionaire:

    Boardgames, hot or not!?

    Lol, sure.

    The prospect of strip-twister excites you or disgusts you (ok ok, not sure this is alpha at all, but its something I ask people)

    I'd enjoy it from a distance.

    How do you feel about career tigers and paper pushers (this is ofc a totally non-laden question without biass ;-) )

    Don't really care for that sort of attitude..I'm pretty very practical/ambitious.

    You organise a party, would you rather have fancy food and perfectly decorated table or a lot of (still nice but not as fancy) food and foodfights?

    The latter, although I'd rather watch than get directly involved.

    In highschool you were a (cross what doesn't apply) Nerd, Emo, Geek, Jock, Relifreak, Artgeek, Swimclub-member, soccer/football fanatic/player, Carjock, Criminal?

    I'd cross out all of them if I weren't on my phone.

    In highschool were you eaten or did you eat?

    Eaten?

    You go to a social event, it's networking; cheap wine, small snacks, terrible music and a lot of business talk, what do you do (you can change the premises as much as you like).

    I'd probably leave unless I found someone interesting.

    Your gf/bf watches anime, plays computergames, reads fantasy novels and has small round glasses. Aside from the last thing (which is obviously hot) would this bother you?

    Hmm, I probably wouldn't mind, although I kind of imagine my SO being a little more Se-ish. What you described could be potentially cute though.

    Would you work for the money even if it was completely and utterly boring or in an environment that required a lot of change in you (as in, prentence)

    If not, how much money would it take to get you to do this for a year?

    I guess I could do it for the sake of funding my hobbies/interests, although I'd probably quit if I found it too draining/unfulfilling

    Do you have plans for taking over the world by cheer tactical genious, and/or do you want a partner who has such ambitions? (no, this is not beta, this is Alpha!)

    The latter.

    In your beta NF fantasies (and come-on, who doesn't have beta nf fantasies!) do you think this would be awesome for occasions or do you wish for full-blown 50shades of gray squared2 style of romance?

    the former.

    In the above fantasies, do you want to be raped? (if yes, you're IEI ;-) )

    It's certainly compelling.

    if you'd had to chose a sport from the following: Soccer/football, badminton duals, paragliding, fencing, chess what would it be?

    Football.

    Which type is coolest (which one would you be if you could pick one from behind the veil of ignorance?) ((mine is IEE))

    I'll admit, it's probably EIE-Ni or IEI.

    Your sister in law asks you in february what your plans are in december (trying to book you for the boring christmas party at their place) what is your reaction?

    I guess I'll be there.

    A friend calls you at 22.28 and asks you if you're coming to the city to go out. It's only a 20 minute trip and the shit starts around 23.00 anyway. You are in your pyama's though, unshaven and most of your clothing is dirty. How and at what time do you show up, if at all?

    Ha, I'd probably stay home, or show up a bit late if possible.

    How often do you have to reschedule appointments due to double booking and or stupid planning? How long ahead is your agenda filled? If the agenda is filled all the way, how much of it is filled with silly drawings and/or portraits of attractive people from the opposite sex?

    Often, although I don't have an agenda, lol.

    How often do you catch yourself humming to yourself in public? How often do others notice? How often do you bump into people because you're not looking through your eyes but through your dick err third eye? (this is the question that determines wether you're sensing or intuitive ;-) )

    Rarely.

    Do people think you're crazy? If so, do you think this is because the world is crazy or are they right? if people don't think you're crazy, pretend they are thinking you are crazy. If you can't do this you're not beta nf.

    Probably not.

    that's it for now
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    @aisa, thanks.

     

    (I didn't quote in case you want to remove such personal info. Thank you for sharing it. And btw, what your mom said? That was fucked up.)

    When I met him he was insecure. His previous girlfriend had cheated on him and used him financially, and then stole everything when she finally left with another guy. He's told me that even in school he didn't have any friends. He's got major social anxiety. (There's more influences and responses regarding this, but i wont share them here.) But now he opens up more, and that insecurity is gone. I don't want to push him, so I just wait, and ask a question or two when he lets those crumbs out, heh.

    I think too that our hidden agendas sometimes creates a slight rift in that I would be asking Te related questions and he would be asking me Ti related questions. Thus, digging around for more info would lead to polr hits. (Semi-duals) so we don't typically talk much. Mostly about a show, a game, an external problem, etc. Nothing too close to home for either of us. It's a little sad, but....we make up for it in other ways. Lots of little gestures showing that we are thinking of each other, lots of things that make each of our hearts flutter, lol. We've been called disgustingly cute by some of our friends, lol.

    We've been together now for 9-10 years, and lately he's asked more questions, trying to understand some of the internal conflicts I go through, and he talks more about his projects or ideas than he ever did. We don't really understand each other when we do that, but we try, at least. And I know he thinks about it afterwards because days later he'll make a comment or ask a further question about something. I'm willing to go by his desires in this. I like a good mystery that slowly unfolds. <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    ...
    I immagine you chuckling quietly while filling in that questionaire.

    I think you're alpha, so SEI. Based on your answers as well as the fact that you actually took the time to fill it in. Beta's would go "huh?" Gamma's would post something like "grow up" and Delta's, well delta's might fill it in, but be more serious about it and give me probably reasons why the questionare is flawed. (just my stereotyping them ofc).

    I also see irrational in the answers which would indicate SEI > EII. As ESI was already out imho that leaves SEI

    As for romance style, beta nf fantasies... I don't really think those are quadra related, or solely quadra related. I've read and enjoyed 50s, and while it's undoubtely beta inspired the fact that's has a audience of I don't know, milions of women (and some men too) indicates that its probably not just beta that enjoys a good polarity, dominance v.s. submission, passion to the point of obsession etc. I mean, those things are basically hard-wired or maybe socially encoded in our views on romance!

    As ILE I must admid that based purely on romance style i'd probably fit the IEI stereotype with occasional SLE ness and an overall sauze of caregiving ILE. Which basically means that my fantasies are more vivid, passionate and polerized than i'd be able to keep up in my actual relations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    Heh, I wouldn't say deadpan or unemotional. You're obviously not gushy, but micro expressions are more exagerated than I normally see in males. There's the pronouncement of expresions which is very very short but very visible. Look at eyemovement when you think, the small cues of "softening" or "expressing doubt".

    I would say the intensity thing would be bascially apply too all introverted ethicals so no help as for SEI v.s. IEI there. FWIW, I don't see IEI, with them I always asume their going to break and than find out they're a lot tougher (and sometimes even crueler) than they appear. You seem to radiate genuine earthy "stability" in a way that says "i'm deep, but it's not break the shell and fall into an emotional abyss".

    I have troubles identifying SEI's so not saying you are one but I'd go for SEI > IEI.
    ESI's kinda always have a vibe with me that says "I have to babysit you but i'd rather go and be with my friends, I'll tolerate you because I have to but I'll be strict to make sure you're not enjoying this too much". I don't get that from you either. So SEI > ESI too.

    EII could be too, I'm not overwhelmed by the sensing cues, nor do I see obvious indicators of Intuition.

    My general idea would be either SEI or EII, do you have strong preferences for rationality or irrationality?

    As a disclaimer; i'm not a typology expert, maybe ask @hkkmr @silke @consentingadult @Kim @woofwoofl for their insights, they've earned the notches in their belts. Also, if you're a SEI hkkmr is going to turn you into a female and date the shit out of you! (shit, why didn't I think of that!?)

    Oh, Oh, apparently i'm ILE so based on how mystifying my communication style is to you you could make some guesses towards being SEI or not :-)
    +10 to that

    and I just couldn't help myself...
     
    oh oh oh oh!

    Alpha Quadra questionaire:

    Boardgames, hot or not!?
    hot! duh

    The prospect of strip-twister excites you or disgusts you (ok ok, not sure this is alpha at all, but its something I ask people) umm... with SO - exciting, with more people involved - no wayyy Joseee! (but secretly exciting it's just never gonna happen.)

    How do you feel about career tigers and paper pushers (this is ofc a totally non-laden question without biass ;-) ) do I really need to answer...? but seriously - as long as they don't expect me to share their way of life and passions - "to each their own"

    You organise a party, would you rather have fancy food and perfectly decorated table or a lot of (still nice but not as fancy) food and foodfights? the latter - but let me eat some of the food before you start throwing it at me

    In highschool you were a (cross what doesn't apply) Nerd, Emo, Geek, Jock, Relifreak (huh?), Artgeek, Swimclub-member, soccer/football fanatic/player, Carjock, Criminal? umm... there are more but since you didn't ask that's all you get

    In highschool were you eaten or did you eat? both

    You go to a social event, it's networking; cheap wine, small snacks, terrible music and a lot of business talk, what do you do (you can change the premises as much as you like). wine can stay cheap as long as it tastes good, small snacks can stay but better be a lot of them, change the music pleeasee, change the subjects of conversation - ok, 20% business talk, the rest anything else!

    Your gf/bf watches anime, plays computergames, reads fantasy novels and has small round glasses. Aside from the last thing (which is obviously hot) would this bother you? I don't like anime, but ok as long as I'm not forced to watch it all the time too. But I like cartoons - will he watch "Ice Age" with me? The rest is ok as long as he actually noticed real life (and me! duh...) exists. Reading anything is always a plus. Oh and could he also be inventive and find creative ways of fixing things around the house, fixing the pc and have a lot of "weird" ideas? Yes? Great.

    Would you work for the money even if it was completely and utterly boring or in an environment that required a lot of change in you (as in, prentence) nope

    If not, how much money would it take to get you to do this for a year? I was in such a situation. It had to be enough money to help me switch to another career (pay the tuiton taken part time, etc.). It worked. Would I do it again? The above answer.

    Do you have plans for taking over the world by cheer tactical genious, and/or do you want a partner who has such ambitions? (no, this is not beta, this is Alpha!)
    as in a partner dreaming to switch the Statue of Liberty with a huge gummi bear? Sure!

    In your beta NF fantasies (and come-on, who doesn't have beta nf fantasies!) do you think this would be awesome for occasions or do you wish for full-blown 50shades of gray squared2 style of romance? Occassions. I need to know I can depend on my parter and dislike constant push-pull. Also, I didn't read 50 shades of anything - reading books about sex? Thank you, I'd rather spend this time more efficiently
    In the above fantasies, do you want to be raped? (if yes, you're IEI ;-) ) Lol, no. But a decisive male is very attractive.

    if you'd had to chose a sport from the following: Soccer/football, badminton duals, paragliding, fencing, chess what would it be? swimming, windsurfing and riding a bike. Oh, I need to choose from the list? Ok... paragliding above water (I'm afraid of heights, so that's the only way it's gonna happen), fencing sounds boring, chess is not a sport by my definition (intellectual activity - sure). Group sports? No, thank you.

    Which type is coolest (which one would you be if you could pick one from behind the veil of ignorance?) ((mine is IEE)) SLE - extroverted, gets to rape male IEIs (lmao), conventionally successful, you get the idea. Or just extrovert myself and become an ESE (just a drama-free one please )

    Your sister in law asks you in february what your plans are in december (trying to book you for the boring christmas party at their place) what is your reaction? we already have plans (as usual every year with family). But if it'll make her happy and is sth she really cares about - yeah, I'll find a way to be there at least come for a while.Also - who plans a Christmas party 10 months ahead?
    A friend calls you at 22.28 and asks you if you're coming to the city to go out. It's only a 20 minute trip and the shit starts around 23.00 anyway. You are in your pyama's though, unshaven and most of your clothing is dirty. How and at what time do you show up, if at all? If it's a very good friend and has a veryyy good reason why I'm supposed to be there - ok, will probably make it there by midnight. Otherwise - "rain check".

    How often do you have to reschedule appointments due to double booking and or stupid planning? How long ahead is your agenda filled? If the agenda is filled all the way, how much of it is filled with silly drawings and/or portraits of attractive people from the opposite sex?Umm don't currently use an agenda. When I did - rarely had double bookings. Silly drawings, yes, but just abstract. Or if in love - face of the guy, hearts, love words, etc...

    How often do you catch yourself humming to yourself in public? How often do others notice? How often do you bump into people because you're not looking through your eyes but through your dick err third eye? (this is the question that determines wether you're sensing or intuitive ;-) )Enough to feel embarrassed but learned to be very silent and control it very much. Rarely anyone notices. I don't have this kind of a third eye sometimes get lost in thought and bump in people or objects, but not every day (again - practice, practice, practice, control, control)

    Do people think you're crazy? If so, do you think this is because the world is crazy or are they right? if people don't think you're crazy, pretend they are thinking you are crazy. If you can't do this you're not beta nf.
    Gammas sometimes think I'm crazy. My friends (people who know me very well) when I enter my "let's party" mode think that too. It doesn't happen too often with other people I don't think. They probably think I'm plain and boring.

    that's it for now that's a shame - ever considered making an alternative questionnaire for new forum members?


    edit: I've just read @Suedehead's answers. SEI
    basically my answers could be almost the same if I weren't in this energised "let's joke around" mode when filling it in. (I'm in general in this mood a lot lately - even my husband pointed this out I think 2 days ago )

    ____________
    DISCLAIMER: obviously smn hacked my account. I'm a serious SEI, so obviously I don't have time to waste on some silly questionnaires when I've only just finished washing the dishes, have to walk the dog, clean the windows and carpets, dust the shelves, do the laundry, cook dinner for 40 guests, sort the clothing into colours and shapes and fold the socks, iron the underwear... oh dear, oh dear I better get going cause I still need go fetch the newspaper and slippers for my... master.
    ...and let's not forget I still need to frizz up my hair and jump into a fancy dress and a fur coat and hat.

    Pfft
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    @aisa, thanks.
    Yeah, I didn't quote for the same reasons. Feel free to PM me anytime if you want to chat about sth similar.
    I love how you described your relationship - it sounds really full of mutual respect and care...basically "awww"

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    Lol, yeah, we get "awww"'d a lot heheh (we even "awww" each other)

    Btw, regarding your spoiler, it wont open if there is a symbol in the title. Such as ! , and '
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    Ha, I wonder if it's my Social-lastish energy that's throwing some people off, since the stereotypical SEI seems more Sp/So or So/Sx. I otherwise match the description pretty well.

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    @anndelise

    One thing to ask is what he meant by obsession. I was under the impression that that was the closest word he could think of to describe what he was thinking of, but that he wasn't fully satisfied with it.

    I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that he was trying to imply some kind of bondedness. Not a half assed one, but that he puts his whole self into the relationship. Later he even talks of it would be just his significant other and his hobbies, that he didn't need anything else. (Something to that effect.) Which isn't too surprising coming from an SEI.


    He didn't have that 'we'd be a team and we're going to rule the world together' kind of intensity to when he was describing his desired relationship. But something more comfortable, homely.
    Basically. Good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    Ha, I wonder if it's my Social-lastish energy that's throwing some people off, since the stereotypical SEI seems more Sp/So or So/Sx. I otherwise match the description pretty well.
    Imho the stereotypical SEI is SEI-Fe...
    I've heard from more than one person that when they didn't know me too well they thought I'm "cold".
    With people closest to me I act similar to SEI-Fe with regard to extraverting some emotions but that's about it.
    I sometimes tried to act more SEI-Fe or ESEish in general settings, but over long haul it feels forced and is draining. In high school I operated in this mode during the day to have some fun with friends - and every day I just crashed for at least an hour just to lay on the bed and recharge in solitude after all the daily interaction (back then I had no idea why).

    Not sure if it's related to stackings, but I'm most likely sp last and feel sx/so makes most sense to me. I feel much better alone than in a crowd and can spend days alone and be more ok with it than with not having alone time (it would make so first kind of sensless). Probably sx/so... just because I don't think I could be a hermit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    Answers to the super serious Am I a SAE?
    Scored a perfect 10

    Highlights to me were:

    - where you found the "10 months prior invitation" and responded like I did when this happened to me!
    - where you admitted that beta's are cool (not as cool as alpha's though ;-) )
    - where you doodled your crushes in your agenda rather than using it as a planningtool

    - where you proposed to switch the statue of liberty with a gummy bear!!!! (@TheWholeEnglish: we have found the evil mastermind behind the gummy-bear explosion! We need to take decisive action now or human kind will be irradicated! Commense GummyBearFest dangerlevel10 eating operations!)

    All n all both you and @suadehead performed miracles on this edition of the Annual Alpha Examn! Your round spectacles award will be shipped to you shortly!

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    lol @Reficulris, and now I'm gonna have to debate on whether to delete it and let people think you're insane for quoting sth I most obviously never said... or let it be and leave a crack on the "cold" SEI image I so hard try to keep up... decisions... decisions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aisa View Post
    lol @Reficulris, and now I'm gonna have to debate on whether to delete it and let people think you're insane for quoting sth I most obviously never said... or let it be and leave a crack on the "cold" SEI image I so hard try to keep up... decisions... decisions...
    or you could edit it so it looked like you were totally gamma and make this even wierder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    or you could edit it so it looked like you were totally gamma and make this even wierder
    hahahah, yeah!

    P.S. 4:40 looks like super-ego or conflict relations to me...
     

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    If I have to go by this one video (which in itself is not valid), I would say: where is the creative Fe? Where is the Mobilizing Ti?

    I would like to see a video of Suedehead where he interacts with a good friend instead of a web cam or question list, and see how his creative function manifests itself. Until then, I'm going to put my chips on SLI>LSI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    If I have to go by this one video (which in itself is not valid), I would say: where is the creative Fe? Where is the Mobilizing Ti?

    I would like to see a video of Suedehead where he interacts with a good friend instead of a web cam or question list, and see how his creative function manifests itself. Until then, I'm going to put my chips on SLI>LSI.
    What does creative Fe look like?

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