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    She is known for highly sensual style. Not that I can say so but that is what experts say.

    I was joking about SLE's and this one is IEI in action


    You can not be more IEI than that.

    You can not mix those up in any ways. Björk is experiencing stuff.
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    Since Björk is Creative subtype, it would be nice to compare her with some certain example of C-SEI. I don't have any videos.

    I think EII could work, because SEIs usually have a more "clouded" consciousness, they don't express themselves so clearly. The Si base gets in the way and make them seem "clouded", "foggy" etc.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    I personally think that she's a normalising subtype. very focused on introverted functions (Fi and Ni and normalising also focuses more on Si btw). I think the term "creative subtype" can be a little misleading because it implies that many artists have this type.

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    Seems to have accentuated E in big 5 terms which is D or C also low in Big 5 N which trait is heightened in D or N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    also low in Big 5 N which trait is heightened in D or N.[/video]
    oh I thought it was the other way around. that creative and harmonising subtypes are more prone to neuroticism because of the initiating dichotomy.

    from an interview I've read on wikisocion:

    "The basic scale of The Big 5 can relate to socionics, as there are a lot of similiarities. The first factor is extroversion, which correlates to socionics extroversion. It is the first noticeable, "on the surface" trait. The second factor is openness, which is when a person is open to new things, which correlates to socionics intuition. The third factor is conscientiousness, which relates to socionics rationality. The fourth factor is agreeableness, which means that you will agree with society's standards, which correlates with socionics ethics, especially ethics of relationships, which is introverted feeling. The last factor is emotional stability, which was discovered later. It doesn't relate to Aushra or Jung's dichotomies, but Gulenko discovered that it could relate to a DCNH subtype dichotomy called terminality. It is is about how well you adapt emotionally, and see your goals through to the end without being swayed emotionally."

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    Well, anyway she is low in neuroticism because it does not really matter how people perceive her. Makes her just more unique.
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    "You should never let people on socionics boards lie to you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baboooshka View Post
    "You should never let people on socionics boards lie to you."

    yeah no efs given by her.

    I also like this: in a train molecules go tiny. The look host's face was like perfect Easter present.
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    *EI, clearly an irrational

    Also LOL at the EII typing

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    I'm not sure why delta NF is LOL for Bjork at all.

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    watched a new interview. do you guys really think that she's an S type? she seems extremly intuitive and idealistic.


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    unavailable in the states :/ that was always my impression though I can see why she would seem like an Si lead also

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    she seems extremly intuitive and idealistic
    intuitive is not a trait to see objectively
    idealism is not type related
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Well Fe ignoring type for her is much more greater misfiring and experts say she is violently sensual so I believe them. She is eccentric and she speaks first few minutes about her body.
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    She's a triple scorpio

    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    Well Fe ignoring type for her is much more greater misfiring and experts say she is violently sensual so I believe them. She is eccentric and she speaks first few minutes about her body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    intuitive is not a trait to see objectively
    idealism is not type related
    I meant the things she talks about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic 007 View Post
    Well Fe ignoring type for her is much more greater misfiring and experts say she is violently sensual so I believe them. She is eccentric and she speaks first few minutes about her body.
    why is 3 dimensional Fe a problem? she uses a rather symbolic language to talk about her body, seems completely intuitive and not focused on realty

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    In a forest, pitch dark
    Grows the tiniest spark
    It burst into a flame,
    like me, like me

    ...

    In a heart full of dust
    Lives a creature called lust
    It surprises and scares
    Like me, like me


    All of my mouth was kissing him
    Now, into the air, I am missing him
    Is this excess texting a blessing?
    Two music nerds obsessing
    He reminds me of the love in me
    I'm celebrating on a vibrancy
    Sending each other MP3s
    Falling in love to a song
    This handsomest of wickermen
    He asked if I could wait for him
    Now, how many lightyears this interim
    While I fall in love with his songs?
    His hands are good in protecting me
    Touching and caressing me
    But would it be trespassing
    Wanting him to be blissing me
    Robbing him of his youth?

    Cliffhanger-like suspension
    My longing has formed its own skeleton
    Bridging the gap between singletons
    Sending each others these songs
    The interior of these melodies
    Is perhaps where we are meant to be
    Our physical union a fantasy
    (I just fell) I just fell in love with a song
    So, I reserve my own intimacies
    I bundle them up in packages
    My rawward longing far too visceral
    Did I just fall in love with love?


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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    why is 3 dimensional Fe a problem? she uses a rather symbolic language to talk about her body, seems completely intuitive and not focused on realty
    Just listen everything (if you own functional ears+brain combo): impressions comes from her chest etc.

    Because when Fe is ignoring and that is also self-conscious having huge halt which comes out as verbally evaluation while actually lacking real dynamism. For example check QA from Gulenko's site. EXI's are usually terrible actors due to Fe ignoring. And I think IRL it makes them easily typable.
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    I'm just going to drop this in here. She's SEI in my book.



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    The above excerpts seem to be coming from a pretty biased author imo.

    Is Si particularly known to be greedy during sex, because it seems like I've seen the opposite, especially for a caregiving type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouncingoffclouds View Post
    The above excerpts seem to be coming from a pretty biased author imo.
    They're saying 'dumbest' as in funniest. Just to clarify for anyone. It's from the book, 'Rock Stars Do The Dumbest Things'.
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    "There's not a lot of logic in my head" lol. I wonder how old she was during all of these events.

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    Interesting, I just noticed she was mentioned certain parts of the environment being like certain parts of a song (verse, chorus). Kind of reminds me of the metal dude Arm types IEI talking about the elements of the forest/seasons being like certain instruments

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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    I'm just going to drop this in here. She's SEI in my book.
    I think that many of the points you make can be attributed to EII too, or don't say much about her personality type. N is mental imaginery, while S is a focus on reality and pragmatism, being in the "here and now", and "down-to-earth". I don't see the latter in Björk at all, especially the point of björk being pregnant and singing punk rock songs doesn't sound like a caregiver type to me.
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    IEI

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    Quote Originally Posted by user123 View Post
    IEI
    +1

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    I used to think she was SEI when I first typed her, but really, she doesn't seem like any SEI I've known. There simply is no Si going on. I like the IEI typing. Probably IEI-C. Very focused on ideas and expressing herself, on sensations (Se). Can be impulsive. She also seems to get along great with H subtypes.

    There is a lot of Se valuing in her work and her ideas.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Dancer in the Dark made me realise that she's an IEI, very likely a distant subtype.

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    SEE>IEI

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    dear 16types, please stop typing highly creative artists as sensing types. intuition leads to imaginative thinking abilities, sensing perception leads to a concrete focus on reality. it's really that easy. thank you.

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    Ah, the case of Bjork.

    I’ve listened to her first works.

    If we go by those, irrational type is a given.

    But no traceable strong Ni.

    Most of her songs seem to focus on sensations and her being caught up in ‘something’ with playful and snapshot-short play with textures and structure; “shiny” things (literally, ‘All Neon Like’ plays with the idea of a shiny web she curls around her lover. She toys with it because she makes it the conductor of the song, the agent of the texture she needs—it means she doesn’t take it too seriously).

    Joga has no Ni (if your resist the silliness of declaring the mostly universal weirdness of the effects of practicing it mentioned in the first part Ni) it’s mostly the state Joga puts her in.

    Big Time Sensuality is the ‘all spontaneous fun in the moment’ with no victim behaviour on display. ‘Enjoy’ is very similar and it’s a declaration of inability to restrain oneself from going towards what feels good. Her overall vocalizations point to this preference for ecstatic enjoyment.

    All Full of Love is Si+Fe: it’s funny to listen to her not even try to make sense of a relationship or human love or keep track of the developements of a relationship; she floats in in Si-Fe aether and tries to grasp at the atmosphere as well as she can.

    That she chose to make a cover of ‘It’s Oh So Quiet’ should be heads up: in a song, she pops up there and refers to the state she finds herself and wonders at it all, dislikes psychoanalyzing too much.

    A problem with Bjork seems to be what passes for ‘abstract’ for some people here. Or who implements that understanding of abstraction, rather.

    I wrote that, vis-a-vis a piece of information (theory, for instance), my thoughts were that SEI-Si incorporates knowledge more readily than SEIs-Fe, who sense more of an urge to do their own thing and create, reframe what they’ve just learnt. But, DCNH system does not equate exactly with subtypes.

    I’ve been moving towards the Fe subtype, but I don’t see objectable reason not to consider myself Normalizing subtype at the same time. Now if I can’t read one paragraph without my eyes glazing over the ways to reframe it I can’t imagine what it’s like for a Creative subtype.

    Simply put, we don’t know how Bjork gets to her things; her outfits may be interpretation to an original text that inspired her album; ‘Bachelorette’ her own understading of what structure means, etc. The continuity seems to be Creative subtype.

    When Gulenko proposed the DNCH system and suddenly you multiply the subtypes for each type, things are not ‘really that easy’.

    Now is she SEI Creative, though? Dunno.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I used to think she was SEI when I first typed her, but really, she doesn't seem like any SEI I've known
    When I saw her speak I remember thinking ‘why not ILE/IEE for her?’. Creative subtype blurs lines, it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    dear 16types, please stop typing highly creative artists as sensing types. intuition leads to imaginative thinking abilities, sensing perception leads to a concrete focus on reality. it's really that easy. thank you.
    Maybe true for Se but it's a bit of a strech to say that Si is concrete focus on reality when Si in some sense does the opposite. It is a sensing experience, so in that way it's "concrete", but removed from reality. So exactly what the name says: introverted sensing.

    Anyway. I think she was playing the role of a normalizer in Dancer in the dark. IEI seems great.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post

    But no traceable strong Ni.
    No Ni? So a SEI must have written this?

    Pedalling through
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    An accurate copy
    A blueprint
    Of the pleasure
    In me

    Swirling black lilies totally ripe
    A secret code carved
    Swirling black lilies totally ripe
    A secret code carved

    He offers
    A handshake
    Crooked
    Five fingers
    They form a pattern
    Yet to be matched

    On the surface simplicity
    But the darkest pit in me
    It's pagan poetry
    Pagan poetry

    Morsecoding signals (signals)
    They pulsate (wake me up) and wake me up
    (pulsate) from my hibernate

    On the surface simplicity
    Swirling black lilies totally ripe
    But the darkest pit in me
    It's pagan poetry
    Swirling black lilies totally ripe
    Pagan poetry

    Swirling black lilies totally ripe
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    No Ni? So a SEI must have written this?
    Let’s be clear: I’m not really arguing for SEI. I’m stating that if you subject yourself to the idea of the four (six, really, if not more) subtype system then you might as well dive gleefully into uncertainty. For example, in the case of SEI-Fe that is already given to ‘songs and poetry’ what happens when they belong to the Creative subtype, itself further divided into 2 types of Creatives?


    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
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    Vespertine, it would seem, further into her career. When you take into account the Creative’s workings: accessibility to recombination of possibilities and momentary mania, why do you interpret the lyrics as springing from her core and not as play partially veiled to the listeners, a comment on a thought, like one would have to turn Al is Full of Love’s Si+Fe if they favor Ni for her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toska View Post
    I'm just going to drop this in here. She's SEI in my book.



    Sounds insufferable

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    She seems NF. Maybe IEI because of the theatrics, but Grimes is my baseline for IEI and I can't see them as the same type yet

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    She seems NF. Maybe IEI because of the theatrics, but Grimes is my baseline for IEI and I can't see them as the same type yet
    I remember leaving this website for a while because I got really frustrated when most people here couldn't figure out that grimes is an IEI. they kept suggesting types like SEE and I wondered how they will ever apply socionics irl if they can't figure out the most obvious types, so it's nice to see that some people see her as IEI too.

    regarding the difference: yes they are there. I even think that both björk and grimes are IEI with normalising subtypes. so despite having the same type and subtype, they are still quite different. having typed thousands of people now, it does seem to me that there are way more subtypes than 4 in the DCNH system. I see types now more like a tree and subtypes like numerous branches which go in several directions that we still need to figure out in the future.

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    In terms of the Big Five, I'm sure she would score highly on Openness to Experience, which might imply intuition. But like some others here I see her music & lyrics as very sensual so it's difficult for me to move from a typing as SEI. There are probably many poets and lyricists I'd type IEI who have written similar lyrics though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I remember leaving this website for a while because I got really frustrated when most people here couldn't figure out that grimes is an IEI. they kept suggesting types like SEE and I wondered how they will ever apply socionics irl if they can't figure out the most obvious types,
    We can't even get 100% of the people to agree that the world is flat, so what are the chances that everyone will see Grimes as IEI?

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